14:59:38 <gregbartholomew> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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14:59:38 <gregbartholomew> #meetingname magazine
14:59:38 <gregbartholomew> #topic Roll call
14:59:38 <gregbartholomew> #chair ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr bcotton rlengland
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15:00:02 <gregbartholomew> .hello glb
15:00:03 <zodbot> gregbartholomew: glb 'Gregory Lee Bartholomew' <gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com>
15:00:05 <rlengland> .hello rlengland
15:00:06 <zodbot> rlengland: rlengland 'Richard England' <rlengland@gmail.com>
15:00:28 <gregbartholomew> Good morning Richard.
15:00:36 <rlengland> g'morning
15:00:43 <gregbartholomew> FYI, Ben said that he was not going to be able to make the meeting.
15:00:52 <rlengland> I saw
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #topic Agenda
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
15:01:08 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
15:01:10 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
15:01:12 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 6/ Editor of the Week --
15:01:14 <gregbartholomew> #info -- 7/ Open floor --
15:01:22 <gregbartholomew> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
15:01:22 <gregbartholomew> #info Week of April 26: 141K pageviews -- high because of the F34 release announcements
15:01:39 <gregbartholomew> #topic 2/ In progress followup
15:01:39 <gregbartholomew> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
15:01:39 <gregbartholomew> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanba
15:02:21 <gregbartholomew> It looks like Ben pinged most of the cards in the in progress column recently.
15:03:12 <gregbartholomew> Also, he said that the pipewire interview could be scheduled for late next week.
15:03:34 <rlengland> Who is writing that one?
15:03:58 <rlengland> Ben?
15:04:09 <gregbartholomew> Christian Schaller, it looks like.
15:04:21 <rlengland> ah. ok
15:04:58 <gregbartholomew> I'm not familiar with the author, but I think we can "tentatively" schedule it and if it doesn't work out, then that isn't the end of the world. :-)
15:05:55 <gregbartholomew> Do you remember if the Ansible article was scheduled for Monday?
15:06:22 <rlengland> I do not, sorry
15:06:31 <gregbartholomew> Maybe not, I think I'm getting it confused with something else. We bumped a few things around last week due to the release announcements.
15:06:44 <rlengland> :-) I noticed
15:07:10 <rlengland> #305 can be schedule....but I'
15:07:15 <gregbartholomew> It looks like we have plenty of articles that are ready or close to ready, so let's just go on to the review cards. :-)
15:07:17 <rlengland> I'm ahead of the gaem
15:07:58 <gregbartholomew> Ah, that makes plenty of cards then. Thanks. :-)
15:08:18 <gregbartholomew> #info Are there any upcoming test days?
15:08:18 <gregbartholomew> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/QA/
15:09:15 <gregbartholomew> It looks like the 5.12 kernel test day announcement is already scheduled for tomorrow. So I think we are good with these.
15:09:59 <gregbartholomew> #info Review release schedule
15:09:59 <gregbartholomew> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-<N>/f-<N>-magazine-tasks.html
15:10:33 <gregbartholomew> This is something new. I'm not sure what weeks that needs to be checked, but maybe there is an IoT or something.
15:12:01 <gregbartholomew> Doesn't look like there is anything after April for Fedora Linux 34
15:12:19 <gregbartholomew> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
15:12:19 <gregbartholomew> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
15:12:19 <gregbartholomew> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:13:10 <gregbartholomew> Looking at #269 Use powershell on fedora
15:13:20 <gregbartholomew> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=33418&preview=true
15:14:32 <rlengland> Yeah, I thought about taking that one on, but I don't have facilities to test the podman or toolbox command taht this time
15:15:07 <gregbartholomew> I think there was some talk on discussion about making it a series.
15:15:27 <rlengland> Didn't hear a resolution on that.
15:15:37 <gregbartholomew> If so, maybe we should put this one last so that it will be closer to the following article(s)?
15:16:46 <gregbartholomew> I think there might have been so unresolved questions about it anyway, so we'll put this one towards the end for now.
15:16:49 <rlengland> works for me
15:17:29 <gregbartholomew> Looking at #263 Network address translation part 4 – conntrack troubleshooting
15:17:39 <gregbartholomew> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=32863&preview=true
15:18:19 <gregbartholomew> Not sure what is going on with the highlighting, but otherwise, looks good.
15:18:53 <gregbartholomew> Some of the "code" sections should be changed to "pre".
15:19:37 <gregbartholomew> Also, I think this is the last of a 4-part series. They should all be grouped in WP under a series tag.
15:20:19 <gregbartholomew> I'll move this one over to edit.
15:20:36 <rlengland> +1
15:20:51 <gregbartholomew> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
15:20:51 <gregbartholomew> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
15:20:51 <gregbartholomew> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/ka
15:21:20 <gregbartholomew> It looks like Ben has #307.
15:21:46 <gregbartholomew> You already said you didn't want #269?
15:21:55 <gregbartholomew> I can do that one.
15:22:12 <gregbartholomew> rlengland, can you take #263?
15:22:40 <rlengland> I'll takea look at #264 but I'll be editing in the grey since networking isn't my forte
15:23:32 <gregbartholomew> I think it is OK. This author has already done 3 articles and they have been good. I edited the first one in the series and there were no problems with it.
15:24:00 <rlengland> Whew!  :-)
15:24:09 <gregbartholomew> I think for the most part, some of the styling just needs tweaked a bit. :-)
15:24:36 <gregbartholomew> It should be easy.
15:24:36 <gregbartholomew> rlengland++
15:24:38 <rlengland> Are the other 3 already grouped?
15:25:04 <gregbartholomew> I don't know. I can try to help you figure that out when you get to it.
15:25:26 <rlengland> I'll do some searching and shout out if I come up empty handed
15:25:28 <gregbartholomew> Just mention me on the card if you want help with it.
15:25:33 <rlengland> okay
15:26:09 <gregbartholomew> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
15:26:09 <gregbartholomew> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
15:26:09 <gregbartholomew> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
15:26:09 <gregbartholomew> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:27:20 <gregbartholomew> Kanban seems slow today.
15:27:48 <rlengland> Good, it's not just me
15:28:49 <gregbartholomew> I guess #305 is the furthest along, so it should go out Monday?
15:29:28 <rlengland> I think that would be good since F34 is out and they mention a time line in the article
15:30:27 <gregbartholomew> OK. I set that one for Monday.
15:31:01 <gregbartholomew> Ben mentions in #307 that he has already done the editing for it, so I guess that would be the next one that is ready.
15:31:15 <gregbartholomew> I'll schedule it for Wednesday.
15:32:17 <gregbartholomew> Now Ben had mentioned that the pipewire article could (should?) be scheduled for "late next week".
15:32:33 <rlengland> Friday then?
15:32:48 <gregbartholomew> I wonder if it should take priority over the other two articles?
15:33:30 <rlengland> Monday isn't "late"  :-)
15:33:37 <rlengland> Wed is so-so
15:33:56 <rlengland> I'd say Fri
15:34:18 <rlengland> I guess I have an opinion, sorry :-)
15:34:34 <gregbartholomew> I think there have been many questions about the new pipewire system on Fedora Linux 34 and I see that this article is being pushed for by the FPL, so I think I'll go ahead and put it down for Friday.
15:35:21 <gregbartholomew> Maybe we should try to have one of the other articles ready to go just in case though.
15:35:49 <gregbartholomew> I think I can have the powershell one ready.
15:36:30 <rlengland> I'll work on #263 as a back up for you.
15:37:50 <gregbartholomew> rlengland++
15:38:19 <gregbartholomew> I'm just trying to double check that all the "needs image" tags are set and everything before I run the python script
15:42:00 <gregbartholomew> #proposed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE:
15:42:00 <gregbartholomew> Fri 07 May 2021: #313 Fedora Kernel 5.12 Test Week (image: DONE, edit: DONE)
15:42:00 <gregbartholomew> Mon 10 May 2021: #305 Getting better at counting rpm-ostree based systems (image: DONE, edit: DONE)
15:42:00 <gregbartholomew> Wed 12 May 2021: #307 Configuring containers using Ansible (image: @bcotton, edit: @bcotton)
15:42:00 <gregbartholomew> Fri 14 May 2021: #315 Pipewire interview (image: @bcotton, edit: @bcotton)
15:42:02 <gregbartholomew> Mon 17 May 2021: #269 Use powershell on fedora (image: glb, edit: glb)
15:42:04 <gregbartholomew> Wed 19 May 2021: #263 Network address translation part 4 – conntrack troubleshooting (image: rlengland, edit: @rlengland)
15:42:42 <gregbartholomew> So it looks like Ben has already done a lot and we are in really good shape.
15:42:45 <rlengland> +1
15:42:52 <gregbartholomew> +1 :-)
15:43:36 <gregbartholomew> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE:
15:43:37 <gregbartholomew> Fri 07 May 2021: #313 Fedora Kernel 5.12 Test Week (image: DONE, edit: DONE)
15:43:37 <gregbartholomew> Mon 10 May 2021: #305 Getting better at counting rpm-ostree based systems (image: DONE, edit: DONE)
15:43:37 <gregbartholomew> Wed 12 May 2021: #307 Configuring containers using Ansible (image: @bcotton, edit: @bcotton)
15:43:37 <gregbartholomew> Fri 14 May 2021: #315 Pipewire interview (image: @bcotton, edit: @bcotton)
15:43:37 <gregbartholomew> Mon 17 May 2021: #269 Use powershell on fedora (image: glb, edit: glb)
15:43:39 <gregbartholomew> Wed 19 May 2021: #263 Network address translation part 4 – conntrack troubleshooting (image: rlengland, edit: @rlengland)
15:44:01 <gregbartholomew> #topic 6/ Editor of the Week
15:44:50 <gregbartholomew> Things were scheduled well in advance this time around. Next week's meeting should be pretty easy. Do you think you are up to it Richard?
15:45:32 <rlengland> I'm afraid I'm unavailable on the 13th, the Medicos have me in their clutches that morning
15:45:40 <gregbartholomew> OK.
15:45:51 <gregbartholomew> #info glb will be Editor of the Week next week
15:45:57 <gregbartholomew> #topic 7/ Open floor
15:46:06 <gregbartholomew> Anything else?
15:46:08 <rlengland> Have a question on work flow
15:46:14 <gregbartholomew> Sure.
15:46:45 <rlengland> Are we leaving "finished" articles in "To Edit" until schedule? or should they be move to queued?
15:47:24 <gregbartholomew> Eh, I've been leaving them in "To Edit" until the are finalized/scheduled.
15:47:46 <gregbartholomew> I think I might be the one deviating from the norm though.
15:47:54 <rlengland> Works for me.  I moved #305 prematurely then.
15:48:00 <rlengland> Thanks
15:48:25 <rlengland> I'm not certain what the norm is :-)
15:48:35 <gregbartholomew> I've been "abusing" the queued column and holding things there for authors to provide feedback post publication.
15:49:09 <gregbartholomew> The queued column is really supposed to be for stuff that has been edited, but still needs an image.
15:49:28 <gregbartholomew> After the image is done, then is is supposed to go to archived.
15:49:56 <rlengland> But when is the scheduling done?  I would think that should be one of the checkpoints
15:50:16 <gregbartholomew> Since the editors do both the imaging, and editing, that means that basically the cards would normally go straight from "to edit" to "archived".
15:51:08 <gregbartholomew> I don't think there really is a separate column for scheduling.
15:51:35 <rlengland> somehow that doesn't seem right to me. I want to think that "queued" would be that place. Queued up ready for scheduling.
15:51:36 <gregbartholomew> The scheduling is agreed on before the editing is done at these weekly meetings.
15:51:47 <rlengland> hmmm.   okay
15:52:10 <gregbartholomew> There is no "ready for scheduling" state really.
15:52:21 <gregbartholomew> They are just scheduled as part of the editing.
15:52:36 <gregbartholomew> Does that make sense?
15:53:02 <rlengland> Okay, so everything is left in "To Edit" till scheduled.
15:53:29 <gregbartholomew> Yeah, when I click the "schedule" button, I move the card to "queued".
15:53:47 <gregbartholomew> -- at the top, I try to keep them sorted.
15:53:51 <rlengland> Okay.  I've got it.
15:54:27 <gregbartholomew> Like I said, I'm sure I'm not really doing things the right way either, so don't worry about it. We can revise the system if we need to.
15:54:36 <rlengland> ...but all three in "To Edit" are now schedule....
15:55:00 <rlengland> It may just be nomenclature for me. I can adjust
15:55:05 <gregbartholomew> Right, there are two different meanings of "scheduled".
15:55:35 <gregbartholomew> 1. a tentative date has been assigned (done here at the meetings).
15:55:52 <gregbartholomew> 2. the "schedule" button has been clicked in WordPress.
15:56:27 <gregbartholomew> I consider the "to edit" column the "tentative" column. :-)
15:56:35 <gregbartholomew> Things can still change.
15:56:49 <gregbartholomew> The "queued" column is more finalized.
15:56:58 <rlengland> okay.  We're good then
15:57:06 <gregbartholomew> i.e. the original author can no longer make changes directly.
15:57:38 <gregbartholomew> Also, one thing that isn't well documented ...
15:57:56 <gregbartholomew> There is a "pending review" state in WordPress.
15:58:35 <gregbartholomew> You should put things there while you are editing to keep the original author from being able to edit the article while you are working on it.
15:58:51 <rlengland> Good to know
15:59:03 <gregbartholomew> Only people in the "editor" role can modify articles that are in the "pending review" state in WordPress.
15:59:12 <gregbartholomew> OK, we are out of time. :-)
15:59:21 <gregbartholomew> See you next time. :-)
15:59:26 <rlengland> Yep O
15:59:34 <gregbartholomew> #endmeeting