15:04:57 <adamw_> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:05:35 <adamw_> hmmm
15:05:43 <adamw_> bridgey mcdowney
15:06:21 <bcotton_> RIP Bridge
15:06:26 <bittin> also you might want to change your email template to say irc.libera.chat and not irc.freenode.net
15:06:33 <bittin> not to be mean or anything but got confused
15:06:43 <adamw_> yeah no my bad, i meant to
15:06:46 <adamw_> i just forgot, again
15:06:55 <adamw_> it's not a template, i just copy and paste it from my sent mail folder every week :P
15:07:09 <bittin> ah
15:07:30 <bittin> *disconnects from Freenode again*
15:08:01 <bittin> also i have a suggestion for point #3 later in the meeting
15:08:09 <bcotton_> adamw_: look. copy/pasting without updating all of the information is my thing, and I don't appreciate you stealing it from me :p
15:08:31 <chris__> ok looks like some bridge issues have separated the matrix and irc users from seeing each other
15:08:57 <adamw_> by which we mean, THE BRIDGE IS DOOOOWWWN
15:09:11 <coremodule> it was a bridge over troubled waters
15:09:16 <coremodule> now we've fallen in
15:10:01 <adamw_> #chair adamw
15:10:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw adamw_
15:11:08 <chris__> throw some chairs around
15:11:08 <frantisekz> .hello2
15:11:10 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
15:11:16 <bittin> .hello2
15:11:17 <zodbot> bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' <droidbittin@gmail.com>
15:11:22 <adamw_> stop stop stop
15:11:23 <adamw_> STOP
15:11:33 <bittin> sorry
15:14:13 <lruzicka> .hello2
15:14:14 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:14:34 <lruzicka> Hehe, now I am getting it.
15:14:43 <adamw_> yup.
15:15:11 <adamw_> okay, let's just proceed with the meeting from IRC side, i'll give everyone a few mins to check in over here
15:15:24 <bittin> ah
15:15:43 <adamw_> #meetingname fedora-qa
15:15:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
15:15:50 <adamw_> #topic Roll Call
15:16:09 <bittin> .hello2
15:16:10 <johnchan3> Hi!
15:16:10 <zodbot> bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' <droidbittin@gmail.com>
15:16:13 <coremodule> .hello2
15:16:16 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
15:16:25 <adamw_> .hello adamwill
15:16:26 <zodbot> adamw_: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com>
15:16:43 <nathan95> Hello
15:17:18 <johnchan3> .hello
15:17:18 <zodbot> johnchan3: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
15:17:40 <frantisekz> .hello2
15:17:41 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
15:17:49 <bcotton_> .hello2
15:17:50 <zodbot> bcotton_: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:17:55 <bcotton_> hmph
15:17:57 <bcotton_> .hello bcotton
15:17:58 <zodbot> bcotton_: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:18:06 <bittin> it does not like _
15:18:16 <johnchan3> .hello 'John Francis Sukamto'
15:18:17 <zodbot> johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:18:24 <johnchan3> yikes
15:18:31 <bcotton_> johnchan3:  it's .hello <fedora account>
15:18:49 <johnchan3> oh!
15:19:07 <bcotton_> the message from zodbot is _almost_ helpful
15:19:13 <johnchan3> .hello jack_hq1
15:19:14 <zodbot> johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:19:41 <adamw_> zodbot, come on, that's just rude.
15:19:49 <johnchan3> .hello jack_hq1@fedoraproject.org
15:19:50 <zodbot> johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:20:04 <bcotton_> johnchan3: how old is your Fedora account?
15:20:22 <johnchan3> I just got it last week?
15:20:34 <bcotton_> ah, okay. zodbot's still using the old system, so it can't know about you :-(
15:20:44 <adamw_> silly zodbot
15:20:49 <lruzicka> johnchan3, you need to give the hello script the exact FAS name without @fedoraproject.org
15:20:57 <adamw_> lruzicka: he already tried that
15:21:02 <bcotton_> zodbot is still living in...april?
15:21:05 <adamw_> it's not working because zodbot doesn't speak IRC, apparently.
15:21:10 <adamw_> guh
15:21:13 <adamw_> FreeIPA
15:21:18 <lruzicka> adamw_, ok ...
15:21:31 <adamw_> okely dokely, we're running short on time so let's go :)
15:21:35 <johnchan3> i see... it's okay at least i'm here
15:21:38 <adamw_> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:21:57 <adamw_> johnchan3: yeah, the hello thing is just a courtesy so people know who each other is, you made it pretty clear who you are with all those attempts :D
15:22:32 <adamw_> #info no action items from last time
15:23:06 <adamw_> not sure what happened with the container SIG thing, anyone know?
15:24:02 <nathan95> No sorry
15:24:28 <bittin> no clue
15:25:19 <adamw_> ah well then
15:25:40 <adamw_> #topic Fedora 35 status and Change check-in
15:26:20 <adamw_> so, current status is: surprisingly not busted! not aware of any major issues in rawhide ATM
15:26:32 <adamw_> anyone have anything to point up?
15:26:49 <bittin> todays build of Workstation seems to work atleast had to reinstall my VM Earlier today as i rebooted my host in a middle of a dnf
15:26:58 <bittin> but only a testing VM so not any data on it
15:26:59 <bittin> :p
15:27:51 <adamw_> whew
15:28:11 <adamw_> that's no fun on your production system. my...uh....friend has done that more than once. :P
15:28:31 <bittin> ah this was gladely not production
15:28:32 <frantisekz> adamw_: have you had a chance to try qemu on Rawhide? I've got sigsegved by it a few times today, just didn't have a chance to take a closer look
15:28:39 <nathan95> i've got some crashes with i hplip but nothing special
15:29:02 <chris__> there could still be some glibc fallout
15:29:42 <adamw_> frantisekz: that's a known issue - it's actually the same bug as the gnome-on-wayland failure
15:29:53 <lruzicka> I was surprised when I wanted to upgrade my VM to Rawhide, it did not find any Rawhide repositories, only F35 repos. Have we branched already? Dont think so.
15:30:02 <frantisekz> okey dokey, I won't need to spend time debugging it more then, thanks!
15:30:04 <adamw_> update to latest glibc should hit it
15:30:07 <adamw_> fix it *
15:30:38 <adamw_> if it's still crashing with glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35 or higher , that might be something different
15:31:05 <adamw_> lruzicka: if you go via mirrormanager, requesting 'f35' or 'rawhide' should actually both work and give you rawhide
15:31:20 <adamw_> what did you do exactly?
15:31:39 <adamw_> you do need fedora-repos-rawhide installed for 'rawhide' to work...
15:31:42 <frantisekz> hmm, I have glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35.x86_64
15:31:47 <lruzicka> adamw_, I was doing dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=rawhide
15:32:12 <lruzicka> adamw_, Aaah, I probably did not have the package :D
15:32:13 <adamw_> frantisekz: hum. and still crashing?
15:32:16 <frantisekz> yep
15:32:41 <frantisekz> also, it's nested virt, f33 guest, f35 first layer vm, f35 second layer vm that crashes
15:32:41 <adamw_> lruzicka: hmm, still, that i think 'ought to' work even so (it should use the regular repos with releasever set to 'rawhide' and mirrormanager should cope with that)
15:32:56 <adamw_> fun
15:33:16 <frantisekz> I'll try not-nested virt tomorrow
15:33:17 <adamw_> i'll have to see if it's still crashing here, i checked the new glibc fixes gnome-on-wayland but didn't actually verify qemu is fixed for me yet
15:34:01 <adamw_> lruzicka: if you try e.g. https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-rawhide&arch=x86_64 and https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-35&arch=x86_64 you should get the same list...
15:34:14 <kparal> .hello
15:34:14 <zodbot> kparal: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
15:34:21 <lruzicka> adamw_, I will try that on that VM
15:34:23 <lruzicka> and see
15:35:02 <adamw_> so the openQA test does use "--releasever=35" (or whatever), not "rawhide"
15:35:51 <adamw_> it's done that since https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1531356 in 2018
15:36:18 <lruzicka> adamw_, interesting ... I remembered having used rawhide some time ago and it worked, I'll try to explore tomorrow.
15:36:18 <adamw_> (which is apparently fixed now)
15:36:49 <adamw_> anyway, yeah, i'm not sure which way is the 'correct' one or if both are 'supported', but if one definitely doesn't work we could look into it
15:37:48 <adamw_> so on the 'change check-in' side...https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/35/ChangeSet is the current f35 change list
15:37:58 <adamw_> anyone see anything that sticks out as significant for qa?
15:38:27 <adamw_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release will probably break something, poking those identity files always does
15:38:39 <bcotton_> the not-yet announced firewalld update may: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/firewalld-1.0.0
15:39:01 <adamw_> fun fun
15:39:09 <adamw_> yeah we had fun with major firewalld changes before
15:39:13 <sumantro> Test days candidates :D
15:39:44 <bittin> i have another canditate for that in the next topic
15:40:03 <kparal> I thought I'd connect to the libera.chat room directly from Matrix (not through the bridged room), but it doesn't seem to work
15:40:09 <sumantro> bittin, sure sure
15:40:10 <cmurf[m]> it is entirely possible i broke the room, because it has happened before that I enter on the matrix side and the bridge goes "waht?!" kaboom!
15:40:10 <kparal> neither does appservice
15:40:11 <kparal> I give up on the meeting, sorry. No time to set up an IRC client.
15:40:11 <andi89gi[m]> hmm well I stay here on Matrix
15:40:12 <andi89gi[m]> can follow the meeting here
15:40:53 <lruzicka> kparal, but you are here already :D
15:42:20 <adamw_> openssl 3 obviously looks scary, not sure how significant it really is
15:42:40 <bcotton_> there's also an LLVM 13 coming, but there will be compat packages for it
15:43:03 <adamw_> python 3.10 and rpm 4.17 are already underway...
15:43:05 <bcotton_> well openssl 3 has already landed in centos stream 9, i believe, so hopefully RHEL engineering fixed all the problems for us already :-)
15:43:17 <adamw_> bcotton_: that can still cause image size fun, has happened several times
15:43:31 <adamw_> winning!
15:44:10 <bcotton_> we should let our downstreams do work for us more often :-)
15:45:31 <adamw_> right?
15:45:40 <adamw_> okay, so i'm not seeing anything wildly scary off the bat
15:45:56 <adamw_> once the list is finalized we can go back over it and pick test day targets
15:46:25 <adamw_> #info Rawhide is mostly working well. We looked over the current F35 Change list, there are no wildly scary items, we will review it again when finalized and pick test day targets
15:46:52 <adamw_> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:47:05 <adamw_> i guess sumantro is not around again, but someone had something?
15:47:12 <sumantro> adamw_, as you rightly mentioned!
15:47:22 <adamw_> aha, he appears!
15:47:29 <sumantro> I am waiting for the F35 changset list to complete and we can file test day
15:47:33 <bittin> I have a suggestions for maybe a potential Test Day, as Linus released kernel 5.13 is that something for a Fedora test day when its stable in Fedora?
15:47:37 <bittin> https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/27/202
15:47:38 <adamw_> i'm sorry, i missed you popping up before
15:47:52 <sumantro> bittin, yes! thats the plan
15:48:04 <bittin> sumantro: +1 :) thanks
15:48:13 <sumantro> I am going to plan one with jforbes
15:48:17 <bittin> thats the only thing i had
15:48:56 <chris__> i expect to see 5.13.0 building in koji any time now
15:49:26 <bittin> chris__: +1
15:50:30 <chris__> the fc35 kernels were working on f34 up until they started to depend on glibc 2.34
15:51:25 <adamw_> thanks sumantro
15:51:36 <adamw_> anything else? do we have onboarding or anything planned?
15:52:01 <sumantro> yep soon as the QA dashboard is deployed
15:52:04 <sumantro> should be this week
15:52:23 <sumantro> Also, its an fantastic work by our intern Manisha!
15:52:44 <adamw_> awesome!
15:52:51 <adamw_> thanks to manisha
15:53:03 <bittin> nice
15:53:07 <bittin> big thanks to Manisha
15:53:18 <adamw_> #info F35 Test Days will be planned once Change set is complete. kernel 5.13 Test Day is planned, and an onboarding will be planned soon after the QA dashboard is deployed
15:53:29 <adamw_> #topic Open floor
15:53:31 <adamw_> any other business, folks?
15:53:40 <adamw_> btw, just a heads up - I'm going to be off work next week
15:53:42 <lruzicka> Manisha++
15:53:43 <bittin> nope i am fine, will help test Kernel 5.13 when its out
15:54:17 <adamw_> i will not be volunteering at some meaningful charity or off on some fabulous vacation or doing self-improving reading. no. i will be lying on the couch watching https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule the entire time
15:54:26 <adamw_> it's going to be great and you should all take a week off and do it too
15:54:37 <bittin> adamw_: sounds like a great plan enjoy
15:54:40 <adamw_> =)
15:55:20 <sumantro> :)
15:56:38 <frantisekz> thanks adamw for leading the meeting!, I need to run away...
15:57:09 <andi89gi> yea thx
15:57:18 <andi89gi> .hello andilinux
15:57:19 <zodbot> andi89gi: andilinux 'Karsten Andreas Artz' <kartz@gmx.net>
15:59:07 <bittin> thanks for another great meeting, i guess we are done in case not anyone have something else?
15:59:43 <andi89gi> guess yes
16:00:04 <adamw_> yup, if no-one else has anything, we're all done
16:00:13 <adamw_> seems like things are pretty smooth atm hence short meetings :D
16:00:24 <adamw_> thanks everyone!
16:00:26 <adamw_> #endmeeting