15:04:57 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:04:57 Meeting started Mon Jun 28 15:04:57 2021 UTC. 15:04:57 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:04:57 The chair is adamw_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:57 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:05:35 hmmm 15:05:43 bridgey mcdowney 15:06:21 RIP Bridge 15:06:26 also you might want to change your email template to say irc.libera.chat and not irc.freenode.net 15:06:33 not to be mean or anything but got confused 15:06:43 yeah no my bad, i meant to 15:06:46 i just forgot, again 15:06:55 it's not a template, i just copy and paste it from my sent mail folder every week :P 15:07:09 ah 15:07:30 *disconnects from Freenode again* 15:08:01 also i have a suggestion for point #3 later in the meeting 15:08:09 adamw_: look. copy/pasting without updating all of the information is my thing, and I don't appreciate you stealing it from me :p 15:08:31 ok looks like some bridge issues have separated the matrix and irc users from seeing each other 15:08:57 by which we mean, THE BRIDGE IS DOOOOWWWN 15:09:11 it was a bridge over troubled waters 15:09:16 now we've fallen in 15:10:01 #chair adamw 15:10:01 Current chairs: adamw adamw_ 15:11:08 throw some chairs around 15:11:08 .hello2 15:11:10 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 15:11:16 .hello2 15:11:17 bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' 15:11:22 stop stop stop 15:11:23 STOP 15:11:33 sorry 15:14:13 .hello2 15:14:14 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 15:14:34 Hehe, now I am getting it. 15:14:43 yup. 15:15:11 okay, let's just proceed with the meeting from IRC side, i'll give everyone a few mins to check in over here 15:15:24 ah 15:15:43 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:15:43 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:15:50 #topic Roll Call 15:16:09 .hello2 15:16:10 Hi! 15:16:10 bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' 15:16:13 .hello2 15:16:16 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 15:16:25 .hello adamwill 15:16:26 adamw_: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' 15:16:43 Hello 15:17:18 .hello 15:17:18 johnchan3: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 15:17:40 .hello2 15:17:41 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 15:17:49 .hello2 15:17:50 bcotton_: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:17:55 hmph 15:17:57 .hello bcotton 15:17:58 bcotton_: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:18:06 it does not like _ 15:18:16 .hello 'John Francis Sukamto' 15:18:17 johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:18:24 yikes 15:18:31 johnchan3: it's .hello 15:18:49 oh! 15:19:07 the message from zodbot is _almost_ helpful 15:19:13 .hello jack_hq1 15:19:14 johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:19:41 zodbot, come on, that's just rude. 15:19:49 .hello jack_hq1@fedoraproject.org 15:19:50 johnchan3: Sorry, but you don't exist 15:20:04 johnchan3: how old is your Fedora account? 15:20:22 I just got it last week? 15:20:34 ah, okay. zodbot's still using the old system, so it can't know about you :-( 15:20:44 silly zodbot 15:20:49 johnchan3, you need to give the hello script the exact FAS name without @fedoraproject.org 15:20:57 lruzicka: he already tried that 15:21:02 zodbot is still living in...april? 15:21:05 it's not working because zodbot doesn't speak IRC, apparently. 15:21:10 guh 15:21:13 FreeIPA 15:21:18 adamw_, ok ... 15:21:31 okely dokely, we're running short on time so let's go :) 15:21:35 i see... it's okay at least i'm here 15:21:38 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:21:57 johnchan3: yeah, the hello thing is just a courtesy so people know who each other is, you made it pretty clear who you are with all those attempts :D 15:22:32 #info no action items from last time 15:23:06 not sure what happened with the container SIG thing, anyone know? 15:24:02 No sorry 15:24:28 no clue 15:25:19 ah well then 15:25:40 #topic Fedora 35 status and Change check-in 15:26:20 so, current status is: surprisingly not busted! not aware of any major issues in rawhide ATM 15:26:32 anyone have anything to point up? 15:26:49 todays build of Workstation seems to work atleast had to reinstall my VM Earlier today as i rebooted my host in a middle of a dnf 15:26:58 but only a testing VM so not any data on it 15:26:59 :p 15:27:51 whew 15:28:11 that's no fun on your production system. my...uh....friend has done that more than once. :P 15:28:31 ah this was gladely not production 15:28:32 adamw_: have you had a chance to try qemu on Rawhide? I've got sigsegved by it a few times today, just didn't have a chance to take a closer look 15:28:39 i've got some crashes with i hplip but nothing special 15:29:02 there could still be some glibc fallout 15:29:42 frantisekz: that's a known issue - it's actually the same bug as the gnome-on-wayland failure 15:29:53 I was surprised when I wanted to upgrade my VM to Rawhide, it did not find any Rawhide repositories, only F35 repos. Have we branched already? Dont think so. 15:30:02 okey dokey, I won't need to spend time debugging it more then, thanks! 15:30:04 update to latest glibc should hit it 15:30:07 fix it * 15:30:38 if it's still crashing with glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35 or higher , that might be something different 15:31:05 lruzicka: if you go via mirrormanager, requesting 'f35' or 'rawhide' should actually both work and give you rawhide 15:31:20 what did you do exactly? 15:31:39 you do need fedora-repos-rawhide installed for 'rawhide' to work... 15:31:42 hmm, I have glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35.x86_64 15:31:47 adamw_, I was doing dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=rawhide 15:32:12 adamw_, Aaah, I probably did not have the package :D 15:32:13 frantisekz: hum. and still crashing? 15:32:16 yep 15:32:41 also, it's nested virt, f33 guest, f35 first layer vm, f35 second layer vm that crashes 15:32:41 lruzicka: hmm, still, that i think 'ought to' work even so (it should use the regular repos with releasever set to 'rawhide' and mirrormanager should cope with that) 15:32:56 fun 15:33:16 I'll try not-nested virt tomorrow 15:33:17 i'll have to see if it's still crashing here, i checked the new glibc fixes gnome-on-wayland but didn't actually verify qemu is fixed for me yet 15:34:01 lruzicka: if you try e.g. https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-rawhide&arch=x86_64 and https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-35&arch=x86_64 you should get the same list... 15:34:14 .hello 15:34:14 kparal: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 15:34:21 adamw_, I will try that on that VM 15:34:23 and see 15:35:02 so the openQA test does use "--releasever=35" (or whatever), not "rawhide" 15:35:51 it's done that since https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1531356 in 2018 15:36:18 adamw_, interesting ... I remembered having used rawhide some time ago and it worked, I'll try to explore tomorrow. 15:36:18 (which is apparently fixed now) 15:36:49 anyway, yeah, i'm not sure which way is the 'correct' one or if both are 'supported', but if one definitely doesn't work we could look into it 15:37:48 so on the 'change check-in' side...https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/35/ChangeSet is the current f35 change list 15:37:58 anyone see anything that sticks out as significant for qa? 15:38:27 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_Linux_in_os-release will probably break something, poking those identity files always does 15:38:39 the not-yet announced firewalld update may: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/firewalld-1.0.0 15:39:01 fun fun 15:39:09 yeah we had fun with major firewalld changes before 15:39:13 Test days candidates :D 15:39:44 i have another canditate for that in the next topic 15:40:03 I thought I'd connect to the libera.chat room directly from Matrix (not through the bridged room), but it doesn't seem to work 15:40:09 bittin, sure sure 15:40:10 it is entirely possible i broke the room, because it has happened before that I enter on the matrix side and the bridge goes "waht?!" kaboom! 15:40:10 neither does appservice 15:40:11 I give up on the meeting, sorry. No time to set up an IRC client. 15:40:11 hmm well I stay here on Matrix 15:40:12 can follow the meeting here 15:40:53 kparal, but you are here already :D 15:42:20 openssl 3 obviously looks scary, not sure how significant it really is 15:42:40 there's also an LLVM 13 coming, but there will be compat packages for it 15:43:03 python 3.10 and rpm 4.17 are already underway... 15:43:05 well openssl 3 has already landed in centos stream 9, i believe, so hopefully RHEL engineering fixed all the problems for us already :-) 15:43:17 bcotton_: that can still cause image size fun, has happened several times 15:43:31 winning! 15:44:10 we should let our downstreams do work for us more often :-) 15:45:31 right? 15:45:40 okay, so i'm not seeing anything wildly scary off the bat 15:45:56 once the list is finalized we can go back over it and pick test day targets 15:46:25 #info Rawhide is mostly working well. We looked over the current F35 Change list, there are no wildly scary items, we will review it again when finalized and pick test day targets 15:46:52 #topic Test Day / community event status 15:47:05 i guess sumantro is not around again, but someone had something? 15:47:12 adamw_, as you rightly mentioned! 15:47:22 aha, he appears! 15:47:29 I am waiting for the F35 changset list to complete and we can file test day 15:47:33 I have a suggestions for maybe a potential Test Day, as Linus released kernel 5.13 is that something for a Fedora test day when its stable in Fedora? 15:47:37 https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/27/202 15:47:38 i'm sorry, i missed you popping up before 15:47:52 bittin, yes! thats the plan 15:48:04 sumantro: +1 :) thanks 15:48:13 I am going to plan one with jforbes 15:48:17 thats the only thing i had 15:48:56 i expect to see 5.13.0 building in koji any time now 15:49:26 chris__: +1 15:50:30 the fc35 kernels were working on f34 up until they started to depend on glibc 2.34 15:51:25 thanks sumantro 15:51:36 anything else? do we have onboarding or anything planned? 15:52:01 yep soon as the QA dashboard is deployed 15:52:04 should be this week 15:52:23 Also, its an fantastic work by our intern Manisha! 15:52:44 awesome! 15:52:51 thanks to manisha 15:53:03 nice 15:53:07 big thanks to Manisha 15:53:18 #info F35 Test Days will be planned once Change set is complete. kernel 5.13 Test Day is planned, and an onboarding will be planned soon after the QA dashboard is deployed 15:53:29 #topic Open floor 15:53:31 any other business, folks? 15:53:40 btw, just a heads up - I'm going to be off work next week 15:53:42 Manisha++ 15:53:43 nope i am fine, will help test Kernel 5.13 when its out 15:54:17 i will not be volunteering at some meaningful charity or off on some fabulous vacation or doing self-improving reading. no. i will be lying on the couch watching https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule the entire time 15:54:26 it's going to be great and you should all take a week off and do it too 15:54:37 adamw_: sounds like a great plan enjoy 15:54:40 =) 15:55:20 :) 15:56:38 thanks adamw for leading the meeting!, I need to run away... 15:57:09 yea thx 15:57:18 .hello andilinux 15:57:19 andi89gi: andilinux 'Karsten Andreas Artz' 15:59:07 thanks for another great meeting, i guess we are done in case not anyone have something else? 15:59:43 guess yes 16:00:04 yup, if no-one else has anything, we're all done 16:00:13 seems like things are pretty smooth atm hence short meetings :D 16:00:24 thanks everyone! 16:00:26 #endmeeting