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05:30:43 <pwu> hi
05:30:53 <priyam> #topic agenda and roll call
05:31:11 <priyam> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2021-07-12
05:31:47 <vishalvvr> Hi
05:31:57 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr
05:31:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: priyam pwu vishalvvr
05:32:03 <tagoh> hi
05:32:17 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr tagoh
05:32:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: priyam pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:32:19 <juhp> hello
05:32:42 <fujiwara> hi
05:32:53 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr tagoh juhp fujiwara
05:32:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp priyam pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:02 <paragan> hi
05:33:10 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr tagoh juhp fujiwara paragan
05:33:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp paragan priyam pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:33:16 <priyam> Let's start with today's agenda
05:33:28 <priyam> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:33:29 <mfabian> ☺
05:34:10 <priyam> #info 2021-07-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes)
05:34:20 <priyam> #info 2021-07-21 Mass Rebuild: RPMs first, then modules
05:34:30 <priyam> #info 2021-07-21 Keepalive deadline for spins
05:34:47 <priyam> #info 2021-07-27 Software String Freeze Reached
05:35:03 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr tagoh juhp fujiwara paragan mfabian
05:35:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp mfabian paragan priyam pwu tagoh vishalvvr
05:35:24 <priyam> Does anyone have any upcoming schedule to be mentioned here?
05:35:27 <juhp> First milestone is next week already
05:35:44 <priyam> #chair pwu vishalvvr tagoh juhp fujiwara paragan mfabian suanand
05:35:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwara juhp mfabian paragan priyam pwu suanand tagoh vishalvvr
05:36:12 <suanand> hi
05:36:21 <priyam> yeah :) juhp
05:37:28 <priyam> if nothing more to discuss here let's move on the next topic
05:38:02 <priyam> #topic Issues
05:38:29 <priyam> #info #133: Transtats in fedora planning ticket
05:38:39 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/133
05:38:41 <suanand> nothing much to discuss here today.
05:38:57 <priyam> okay.Thanks suanand
05:39:04 <suanand> if anyone has something, feel free
05:40:06 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket if nothing more to discuss here
05:40:22 <priyam> #info #132: refresh I18N/Fonts
05:40:27 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/132
05:40:48 <tagoh> Yep, I updated a bit. but still have some tasks.
05:41:28 <tagoh> 1) to figure out emoji coverage, we need to create a test case to determine.
05:42:15 <tagoh> 2) we dont have any naming guidelines for variable fonts. maybe good to take some approach that way. so we don't need to mention that particularly there.
05:42:55 <juhp> Do we need (1)? :)
05:43:10 <tagoh> 3) need to think about how to figure out Unicode support. only default fonts? how?
05:43:15 <juhp> I think Noto Emoji basically cover Emoji 13 at least
05:43:55 <tagoh> we support emoji rendering with it only, suppose not.
05:45:14 <juhp> tagoh: are your fonts tables listed?
05:47:07 <tagoh> orth in fontconfig is minimal. if we don't need any details, yep, that works enough.
05:48:28 <juhp> Okay
05:49:10 <juhp> Maybe that would be enough to close the ticket?
05:50:21 <tagoh> maybe.
05:53:16 <juhp> Of course people are free to add additional details if they wish
05:53:29 <tagoh> when we provided font(:lang=...) thing in package metadata, it was easier to find out. but we dropped it and switched to langpacks to deal with it, and no alternatives for emoji. let me simply add emoji packages there and close the ticket after that.
05:56:20 <juhp> Great
05:56:26 <tagoh> That is it from my side for updates.
05:57:04 <priyam> Thanks for the update tagoh.
05:57:09 <priyam> If nothing more to discuss here let's move on the next topic
05:57:54 <priyam> #info #139: brainstorming for i18n-Podcast
05:58:01 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/139
05:58:34 <juhp> Okay I finally posted another comment - I hope it will happen this month
05:58:46 <juhp> Still need to flesh out the questions more
06:01:19 <priyam> thanks juhp
06:01:19 <juhp> I am thinking whether to spin the interview more around my involvement in Fedora though - maybe that makes more sense - then we could propose a separate pure i18n podcast another time too
06:02:08 <juhp> I still didn't make time to listen to any yet either :-(
06:02:21 <vishalvvr> me too :(
06:05:04 <juhp> I think we can move on
06:05:11 <priyam> thanks juhp
06:05:19 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket
06:05:31 <priyam> #info #135: Fedora 33 Bug triaging
06:05:39 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/135
06:06:34 <priyam> Total bug count is 38 as of now.Will continue with bug triagging activity
06:07:28 <priyam> Anyone has anything to discuss on this ticket ?
06:08:41 <priyam> moving onto the next ticket if nothing more to discuss here
06:09:05 <priyam> #info #131: review/update @fonts group default packages: non-language specific extra fonts etc
06:09:15 <priyam> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/131
06:10:32 <juhp> Okay sorry was looking through the f33 bugs - if you are on the list please move your bugs appropriately
06:11:10 <juhp> Yeah I accidently sent my original mail to the old fedora-devel list, sigh, which I only noticed last week
06:11:19 <juhp> Anyway so far no responses
06:11:40 <juhp> Probably we could still drop pt-sans-fonts from F35 @fonts
06:11:44 <juhp> ?
06:12:13 <juhp> Maybe I will open a PR before the next meeting
06:15:40 <priyam> Thanks juhp
06:17:25 <priyam> moving onto next topic if nothing more to discuss here
06:18:11 <priyam> #topic Open Floor
06:19:39 <juhp> Sorry, but did we miss F35 Changes?
06:21:10 <vishalvvr> juhp, yes we did
06:21:25 <vishalvvr> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/134
06:21:35 <priyam> yes..sorry
06:22:27 <juhp> np
06:22:40 <juhp> paragan: your Change was posted yet?
06:22:51 <paragan> not yet
06:22:56 <juhp> strange
06:23:10 <paragan> I have not submitted to Wrangler
06:23:28 <paragan> actually I did it just now
06:23:35 <juhp> ah gotcha
06:23:38 <juhp> Thanks
06:24:24 <juhp> Anyone planning any other changes?
06:24:27 <paragan> I was thinking to ask someone to review but anyway I submitted it now
06:25:21 <juhp> lgtm anyway
06:25:28 <paragan> thanks
06:25:44 <juhp> I hadn't realised many langs still using inscript1, interesting
06:26:04 <juhp> Most actually
06:26:09 <paragan> yes
06:26:28 <juhp> So it is quite meaningful Change
06:27:11 <juhp> Does ibus-m17n need changes?
06:27:17 <juhp> Ah defaults?
06:27:28 <mfabian> I don’t think ibus-m17n needs any change.
06:27:46 <juhp> Or langtable?
06:29:04 <mfabian> I should change it in langtable, it still says inscript (without 2) there.
06:29:25 <mfabian> Although that langtable  information is not used by anything at the moment.
06:29:34 <juhp> ah right
06:30:00 <juhp> So maybe gnome?
06:30:23 <paragan> whichever makes keymaps default, it need to be changed
06:30:34 <paragan> which I think is ibus-m17n
06:30:59 <mfabian> I think it is gnome!
06:31:07 <paragan> https://github.com/ibus/ibus-m17n/blob/master/src/default.xml
06:31:49 <juhp> Okay
06:32:05 <paragan> I still need to test
06:32:11 <fujiwara> Yes, it is.
06:32:18 <juhp> Thanks, paragan
06:33:30 <paragan> fujiwara, thanks for confirming
06:33:41 <juhp> When is our testday?  Do we need a ticket?
06:34:12 <paragan> we already have a ticket
06:34:37 <paragan> https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/136
06:34:53 <paragan> 7th Sept
06:35:02 <mfabian> In the xml output of “/usr/libexec/ibus-engine-m17n --xml”, the inscript engines currently have rank 2, the inscript2 engines have rank 1.
06:35:10 <mfabian> That doesn’t matter really though.
06:35:32 <mfabian> But maybe it should be changed for clarity?
06:35:44 <priyam> yes we decided to discuss test day ticket from beta freeze.
06:35:58 <paragan> Right priyam
06:36:02 <juhp> priyam, paragan: Right, thanks
06:37:36 <paragan> mfabian, I will check that
06:38:06 <juhp> Though I think Beta Freeze is a bit late, how about after branching?
06:38:38 <paragan> Branch Fedora Linux 35 from Rawhide 	Tue 2021-08-10
06:39:04 <paragan> you want early testday?
06:39:11 <juhp> No
06:39:30 <paragan> ah you mean discussing that ticket
06:39:36 <juhp> yes
06:40:02 <paragan> well there is nothing more to discuss in that ticket other than setting up date and required testday pages.
06:40:14 <paragan> for testcase updates we should have separate ticket
06:41:11 <fujiwara> ranks are checked in non-gnome desktops.
06:41:54 <priyam> yes agree paragan
06:42:11 <juhp> I think there are basically 3 more meeting before the week of the testday
06:42:42 <paragan> priyam, Can you report new ticket and assign it to you? we can discuss this ticket after branching happens till testday completes
06:43:59 <priyam> yes sure paragan. I will report new ticket for testcase updates
06:46:23 <priyam> if nothing more to discuss here then lets close todays meeting
06:47:02 <priyam> As we already exceed 16 mins :)
06:48:02 <priyam> Thank you everyone for joining
06:48:09 <suanand> thanks
06:48:16 <priyam> #endmeeting