17:00:46 #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:46 Meeting started Wed Jul 21 17:00:46 2021 UTC. 17:00:46 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:46 The chair is pboyHB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:55 #topic Welcome / roll call 17:00:57 that's us 17:01:06 Hi! Welcome to our IRC meeting! 17:01:11 i angered zod 17:01:14 .hello2 17:01:15 langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' 17:01:18 Please, everybody who is lurking, say either .hello2 or .hello 17:01:24 .hello2 17:01:25 eseyman: eseyman 'Emmanuel Seyman' 17:01:32 I’ll post the agenda in a few minutes. 17:02:03 .hi 17:02:04 dcavalca: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' 17:03:54 #topic Agenda 17:04:03 Unfortunately I did'nt manage to prepare an aganda in advance. So we have to improvise a bit. 17:04:12 1. Follow up actions 17:04:19 2. Open ticket(s) 17:04:21 .hello 17:04:21 jdubby: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 17:04:26 3. Work planning update 17:04:33 4. Fedora 35 17:04:36 .hello jwhimpel 17:04:37 jdubby: jwhimpel 'John Himpel' 17:04:42 5, Open Floor 17:04:56 Any additions or remarks? 17:05:16 Looks good to me 17:05:34 OK. So let's start. 17:05:43 #topic Follow up actions 17:05:52 #info Action x3mboy: remove hackmd.io PRD versions: DONE (now private) 17:05:59 #info Action pboy, Modify the info text for the intended server "box" on the docs landing page - DONE 17:06:16 I suppose there is no need to discuss about those? 17:06:50 #info Our updated Server PRD is approved by Council 17:06:51 don't think so 17:07:00 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/375 17:07:00 woot \o/ 17:07:04 \o/ 17:07:20 Yes, so we can finally close that topic. 17:07:45 #info Status publishing Server documentation: pbokoc asked some details, otherwise no visible changes or further info so far 17:08:11 I suppose, we have to waot another 2 weeks? 17:08:58 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/docs-fp-o/issue/169 17:09:41 Open actions: 17:09:55 We have several open actions regardig our Ansible working projects where I’m in charge. 17:10:06 Those are still in progress. Unfortunately, I got completely swamped. Sorry. 17:10:10 maybe drop a "bump" in the ticket or ping pbokoc to see if it can move 17:10:20 I hope for our next meeting in 14 days. 17:10:30 move == like move forward 17:11:17 langdon: I'm not sure wether someone already works in the background 17:11:35 Maybe it needs a bit of web design work? 17:12:13 right now it is in "limbo" cause you were asked something, you answered, but we need that team to say "yes, thats a good answer, we will get on it" 17:12:46 then they can proceed with whatever is reqd 17:13:53 #proposed I wait until next week Wednesday and. than ask if we can anything do. 17:14:09 works 17:14:48 #agreed: pboy will wait until next week Wednesday and. than ask if we can anything do to make it happen. 17:15:04 Any additional information or comments? 17:15:45 #topic Open ticket(s) 17:15:47 sounds good 17:15:56 We discussed the ticket about Fedora Server installation ISO 17:16:03 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/32 17:16:10 As a brief reminder: 17:16:18 (a) The issue is: composition of net install iso and (full) installation iso is currently different. 17:16:26 (b) Question is, how large would the installation iso grow if it includes all recommended packages. 17:16:33 (c) To decide is: Do we want to accept the size or take other measures. 17:16:47 e had agreed: Eighth_Doctor, nirik and langdon will look for a solution to the compose question 17:16:56 The floor is open. 17:17:31 am i the only one of the 3 here? i think i was the least useful member of the group :) 17:18:28 I think you are, langdon 17:18:38 let's make a ticket for it.. separate from the #32 and assign it to the 3 of us.. for just this one task 17:18:49 to my knowledge, it hasn't moved 17:18:58 I dee , Eighth_Doctor. is onlne. ping! 17:19:14 dee -> see 17:19:43 he is probably at work though 17:19:56 yes, obviously. 17:20:13 langdon: can you create that ticket? 17:20:27 yeah.. and lets move on 17:20:31 OK. 17:20:59 #agreed landgon will open a separate ticket for the file size question. 17:21:17 #action langdon will open a separate ticket for the file size question. 17:21:19 yeah.. ill post here when its done.. but my other chat window has to stop talking to me :) 17:21:24 sorry, my typos. 17:21:32 trying to sort out the speaker swag for devconf.us :) 17:21:56 Work Planing update 17:22:10 #topic Work Planing update 17:22:21 An introductory remark: 17:22:30 We removed the section about our goals from the PRD because it doesn#t belong there. 17:22:41 Therefore I integrated it into the wiki page as a proposal! 17:22:48 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server 17:22:56 We should check and discuss the section. 17:24:16 I mean the section "Currently Ongoing Work Projects" 17:25:06 I suspect it would be better if the discussion were held on the mailing-list 17:26:40 #proposed Open a discussion about work projects on the mailng list 17:28:41 #agreed Open a discussion about work projects on the mailing list 17:29:09 #action. pboyHB opens a thread about work projects on the mailing list 17:29:29 #topic Fedora 35 17:29:48 There ar a lot of changes, again. 17:30:09 What do we have to do regarding Fedora Server? 17:30:55 i actually haven't looked hard tbh.. can i propose we add the list to the agenda for next time and just flip through them all? 17:31:17 I think we need to continue monitoring the usage of btrfs for potential issues. If it seems okay in f35, we should discuss changing defaults in f36. 17:32:01 I'm a bit concerned about the change in Libvirt 17:32:06 knock wood... i have been running it on various machines for like a year with no iissues 17:32:14 ^^ btrfs 17:32:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibvirtModularDaemons 17:33:36 Ad btrfs: I'm not sure if it is compatible with our storage and partitioning rationale. 17:34:55 (see our Server documentation about installation) 17:35:10 the main missing thing in btrfs for Server IMO is good support for raid5/6, which is being worked on 17:35:14 re: libvirt ) yeah.. that looks like it will be fun.. i might ask the change wrangle (bcotton) to push for a test day at least.. i would also ask for a set of instructions about how to roll back to monolithic libvirt on new installs if you run in to problems 17:35:48 The original "Server Sig" annointed postgresql as the preferred database solution. If we chose to continue that preference, we should ask kevin fenzi if he would create the rpm for the ansible postgresql module in f35. 17:36:15 langdon: for a test day, ask QA (specifically sumantrom) 17:36:48 * langdon notes a wild cotton appears 17:36:48 humm... I thought we were done with modules 17:37:07 eseyman: i am VERY in support of modules... but this isn't modules.. just modular 17:37:13 jdubby: Postgres & Ansible is one of the subprojects of our "Facilitated deployment of key services by combining rpm and Ansible" project 17:37:21 anyway, +1 to keeping pg as our preferred solutons 17:37:32 +1 indeed 17:37:42 bcotton: how do we ask for better rollback instructions? ticket with fesco? 17:37:48 eseyman: It's ansible module not Fedora modules. Sorry for the confusion. 17:38:35 langdon: contact the change owner, since the change is already approved 17:38:39 got it,thanks 17:39:00 Then I'll file a ticket for adding the postgresql ansible module. 17:39:50 im confused.. did we change topics? what does postgres have to do with libvirt? or ansible modules? or modularity modules? 17:40:25 we did get side-tracked, for a minute 17:40:49 langdon. I was just slow entering my topic into IRC. So the two topics got interleaved. Sorry 17:41:59 its cool.. it happens.. but can we clarify what topic we are on and what we are talking about ? :) 17:42:07 cause im still confused 17:42:52 Back to main track. :-) 17:42:56 #proposed Server WG would like to dedicate a test day for libvirt change. 17:43:02 Fedora 35 and its changes 17:43:52 eseyman: I'm not sure what you mean 17:45:10 I was signaling to langdon that the topic was "Fedora 35 and its changes" 17:45:30 OK git it 17:45:35 git -> got 17:45:47 yeah.. i got that .. but we seem to have a mixed a bunch of changes together :) 17:45:53 What about the proposal? 17:46:09 +1 to the proposal 17:46:12 well.. the proposal is more "we need to file a ticket with qe" 17:46:43 Yes, but afterwards we need some people to test ! 17:47:23 qe should help /handle that.. if we ask for a test day.. they will drum up testers 17:47:28 And to spend some work on it that day 17:48:15 yes, that's a whole point of setting up a test day 17:48:50 Nevertheless, If we initiate this, we should also participate afterwards, 17:49:05 yeah 17:49:34 Langdon: regarding the ticket, Would you take that in hand? 17:49:45 i did.. want to switch to that 17:49:50 cause i have a q or two 17:51:10 Now I got lost. What is the current state? 17:51:57 like #topic current sizing exercise 17:53:15 Hm, I thin we need a proposal for either agreed or action 17:53:27 on f35? 17:53:48 on libvirt change in f35 and a test day 17:54:34 yeah.. i agree 17:54:57 angdon: Specifically, have you opened a ticket yet? 17:54:57 #proposed action pboy to file a ticket with qe team to ask for a test day for libvirt 17:55:04 pboyHB: yes.. 17:55:40 A modification: 17:55:55 #proposed action langdon to file a ticket with qe team to ask for a test day for libvirt 17:56:37 I am not familiar enough with these procedures. 17:57:03 hahahahhahaha 17:57:08 that will teach me 17:57:09 sure 17:57:52 I'll take that as an okay. :-) 17:58:13 #action langdon to file a ticket with qe team to ask for a test day for libvirt 17:58:36 Time is up now. I switch to next topic 17:58:57 #topic 6. Open Floor 17:59:09 floot is open 17:59:17 so.. briefly, i filed https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/48 but I can't assign it to myself or anyone else 17:59:19 not sure why 17:59:38 langdon: Thanks. That was quick 18:00:36 I would like to dedicate next meeting to the Ansible projects and continue Fedora 35. 18:00:48 Any thoughts? 18:00:56 pboyHB: so, can you assign? or is this me not sure how to work pagure? 18:01:07 pboyHB: +1 on next time agenda 18:01:14 langdon: you're not a member of that repo 18:02:01 bcotton: ah ha.. 18:02:10 my pagure skills are meh 18:03:25 OK, I don't see any other comments and I would close our meeting right now. 18:03:51 Many thanks to everybody! 18:04:01 #endmeeting