16:01:49 <StephenGallagher> #startmeeting ELN SIG 2021-10-08
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16:01:56 <StephenGallagher> #meetingname eln
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16:02:07 <StephenGallagher> #topic Init Process
16:02:56 <adamw> quick heads up in case anyone missed my correction and is looking for the wireplumber meeting - it's over in meeting-1
16:03:13 <StephenGallagher> #info Please be aware that the QA Special Meeting is being held in #fedora-meeting-1
16:03:53 <jforbes> .hello2
16:03:54 <zodbot> jforbes: jforbes 'Justin Forbes' <jforbes@redhat.com>
16:04:57 <jkonecny_> .hello2
16:04:58 <zodbot> jkonecny_: Sorry, but user 'jkonecny_' does not exist
16:05:21 <StephenGallagher> .hello jkonecny
16:05:22 <zodbot> StephenGallagher: jkonecny 'Jiří Konečný' <jkonecny@redhat.com>
16:05:35 <jkonecny_> thanks Stephen :)
16:05:57 <StephenGallagher> Hello2 only works if your IRC nick matches your FAS account
16:06:33 <jkonecny_> kk, have to look how the zodbot works
16:06:39 <StephenGallagher> Looks like a small crowd today, but that's not surprising. Between the CentOS Dojo and the lack of an agenda for the meeting, I'm surprised there's anyone here at all :)
16:06:49 <StephenGallagher> #topic Status Update
16:07:32 <StephenGallagher> #info The updated DistroBuildSync is running in production. I am not aware of any rebuild issues with it at this time.
16:07:56 <StephenGallagher> #info Our composes were failing for a week due to a package-signing issue that I finally tracked down this morning.
16:08:12 <StephenGallagher> #info We have a functional ELN compose today
16:08:58 <jkonecny_> Do you have a link to some ticket?
16:09:11 <jkonecny_> please
16:09:25 <StephenGallagher> One moment
16:10:46 <StephenGallagher> I don't have an issue tracking it, but the core problem was that we left it out of the branching SOP and when we had some F36 packages start showing up in ELN, they weren't validating properly.
16:11:04 <StephenGallagher> https://pagure.io/releng/pull-request/10329# is the MR for adding it to the SOP
16:11:56 <jkonecny_> thanks
16:12:41 <StephenGallagher> I don't have much else to report on the ELN front today; my work on CentOS Stream 9 took priority for most of the last couple weeks.
16:12:46 <StephenGallagher> #topic Open Floor
16:13:12 <StephenGallagher> I'm happy to answer questions, if anyone has any
16:13:21 <jforbes> I have one
16:13:36 <StephenGallagher> By all means
16:14:05 <jforbes> Would it be possible to get eln added to brew as well? We have an issue now where the ELN kernel will not build on existing internal targets because kernel-tools has some newer deps.
16:14:41 <jforbes> So, for RHEL kernel developers trying to contribute, we either have to get them fedora accounts so they can do koji scratch builds, or figure out some other way
16:15:17 <jforbes> Frankly, I am all for anything that makes it easier for RHEL developers to chip in on Fedora and ELN.
16:15:42 <StephenGallagher> The Brew folks can certainly use ELN as an external repo for a target, but I'm not sure if that's acceptable.
16:16:02 <StephenGallagher> Getting them Fedora accounts seems like it might be a better approach long-term.
16:16:54 <jforbes> I can live with that. I might just need to document that a bit easier
16:17:55 <StephenGallagher> We will probably want to get them into a group with privilege to use Koji as well.
16:18:10 <jforbes> No privs required anymore, just an account
16:18:18 <jforbes> Since they are only interested in scratch builds
16:18:19 <StephenGallagher> Oh?
16:18:34 <StephenGallagher> I thought that still required FPCA+1 at least
16:19:34 <jforbes> seems not. Or at least I asked nirik and was told just an account. Once I had someone set it up and pointed them to the fedora krb page, I didn't get any further questions or complaints that a scratch didn't work
16:19:55 <StephenGallagher> Good enough for me
16:21:05 <StephenGallagher> jforbes: Of course, the other alternative would be for us to start bootstrapping RHEL 10 internally.
16:21:27 <StephenGallagher> Which is worth considering.
16:21:56 <jforbes> I have no opinion on that, I just want whatever keeps the bar as low as possible for people to be able to contribute to kernel-ark
16:23:07 <StephenGallagher> jforbes: I'm curious: are you required to pair-program on the Kernel ARK?
16:23:17 <jkonecny_> couldn't the boostrapping of RHEL 10 make a lot of confusion between people? Just thinking aloud
16:23:55 <jforbes> No
16:23:58 <StephenGallagher> jkonecny_: I don't think so, as long as they aren't told about it :)
16:24:22 <StephenGallagher> jforbes: (Sorry, I was making a joke about the pair-programming. Kernel ARK vs. Noah's...)
16:24:27 <jkonecny_> :) ok
16:25:29 <jforbes> Ahh, I figured it was some internal agile thing... My involvment in RHEL pretty much ends at ELN
16:25:58 <StephenGallagher> jkonecny_: That being said, it's a big effort to get the ball rolling there and I doubt the release engineering folks will have the cycles for that in 2021.
16:26:09 <StephenGallagher> jforbes: Nope, just playing off the name.
16:27:24 <StephenGallagher> I don't think we are necessarily at the right point to start the RHEL 10 work, but I figured I'd raise it as an option.
16:28:15 <jforbes> I don't think that is necessary, ELN is really the place for that.  We just seem to have a number of internal people who know the internal tools well, but not the fedora ones
16:28:27 <StephenGallagher> In the meantime, the approach that requires the least "waiting for someone else to implement something" is to get the Kernel folks working in Fedora
16:29:59 <jforbes> Indeed
16:30:53 <jkonecny_> would be great to have them, that is for sure
16:36:35 <jforbes> That was my only item for open floor
16:39:03 <StephenGallagher> OK, I'll close us out then.
16:39:07 <StephenGallagher> Thanks for coming, folks.
16:39:11 <StephenGallagher> #endmeeting