15:00:34 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:34 Meeting started Mon Aug 23 15:00:34 2021 UTC. 15:00:34 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:34 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:34 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:00:34 Meeting started Mon Aug 23 15:00:34 2021 UTC. 15:00:34 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:34 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:34 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:00:40 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:44 #topic Roll Call 15:00:57 * bittin is here 15:01:03 .hello lruzicka 15:01:04 lruzicka2: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 15:01:05 lruzicka2: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 15:01:11 .hello2 15:01:12 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 15:01:12 coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' 15:01:17 .fas lailah 15:01:17 Lailah: b"lailah 'Sylvia S\xc3\xa1nchez' " 15:01:18 Lailah: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 15:01:31 Wow, the luxury of having two servants this time. 15:01:37 Why my name looks so weird? 15:01:44 Anyways, hello everbody! 15:01:51 .hello2 15:01:52 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:01:52 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:01:57 .hello geraldosimiao 15:01:58 Lailah, it seems that one of the zodbots cannot understand utf8 15:01:58 geraldosimiao: geraldosimiao 'Geraldo S. Simião Kutz' 15:02:00 geraldosimiao: geraldosimiao 'Geraldo S. Simião Kutz' 15:02:24 lruzicka2 Oh... that was... unexpected 15:02:26 * sumantro is here 15:02:30 Lailah: zodbot has some unicode issues, it looks like (and is still running on python2?) 15:02:35 zodbot_ is all cool 15:02:47 * kparal is here 15:02:49 nirik: can we lose the stereo zodbots or are we stuck with them? 15:03:30 If one zodbot is good, two zodsbot are better 15:03:46 Stereo zodbots FTW! 15:04:01 .hello davdunc 15:04:02 davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' 15:04:02 davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' 15:04:03 adamw: I thought Python2 was dead and buried... 15:04:09 Ben Cotton (he/him/his): i hereby approve this plural 15:04:14 ahhh, inspectors general or inspector generals? or, in inspectors generals? 15:04:38 inspectors generaln 15:04:45 it should be inspectors general, though absolutely nobody gets that right any more. 15:04:54 * bcotton is nobody 15:05:01 remember your place. 15:05:14 :( sorry bcotton 15:05:47 adamw: oops. yeah, ill fix 15:06:12 nirik to the rescue... again. ; 15:06:21 thanks 15:06:32 if nirik ever quits we can just shut fedora and go home 15:06:34 sorry about that. 15:07:15 +1 15:07:42 bcotton: adamw and nirik lost and nothing works again ever. 15:08:45 welp, let's get rolling 15:08:51 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:09:39 #info "adamw to check with sumantro about plans for an F35 audio test day" - I, uh, completely whiffed on this one. whoops. will do it today 15:10:10 I can help with audio tests if you tell me what to do. 15:10:12 adamw thanks for the reminder! and I am already on it 15:10:20 cmurf, we had a couple for you, test day for luks encryption sector size and testcloud/btrfs? 15:10:24 oh hey, that solves that, thanks sumantro 15:10:29 #undo 15:10:29 Removing item from minutes: INFO by adamw at 15:09:39 : "adamw to check with sumantro about plans for an F35 audio test day" - I, uh, completely whiffed on this one. whoops. will do it today 15:10:30 Lailah, there is a bunch of audio tests that you can use 15:10:36 Lailah, guessing an announcment will come out when adamw and sumantro has talked :) 15:10:42 wait, uh. it seems like we lost both the zodbots now? 15:10:43 hmmm 15:10:48 what was I thinking? 15:10:55 there is one zodbot here 15:10:58 atleast on my screen 15:10:58 oh, no, there we go. 15:11:05 Where? I don't see any 15:11:29 well, it acknowledged the #remove, but not the topic change. oh well 15:11:30 "Zodbots out for tea, will be back in two hours. Thanks" 15:11:40 Lailah, for instance here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-03_Audio_Test_Day 15:11:46 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:11:49 you could try all those on Fedora 35 15:11:50 .hello2 15:11:51 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 15:11:51 (just in case) 15:12:13 #info "adamw to check with sumantro about plans for an F35 audio test day" - sumantro says he's already working on it 15:12:15 lruzicka2 that looks great! 15:12:22 So far my audio has been meh at best 15:12:29 cmurf: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-qa/fedora-qa.2021-08-02-15.00.txt 15:12:33 And my BT headphones don't work. 15:12:51 hmm, that's bad. 15:13:01 oh i forgot to ask anaconda folks about luks sector size test day... figures 15:13:06 Lailah, and did they work previously? 15:13:18 Yes, they did 15:13:33 And they work fine in other systems and devices. 15:13:37 i haven't heard any complaints about testcloud and btrfs :P 15:13:39 cmurf, luks sector size is on my mind too, I will file a ticket and touchbase with you!! 15:13:59 There was like 2 days of improvement before it went downhill lruzicka2 15:14:00 #info "cmurf to look into whether it's necessary/useful to do a test day for 15:14:00 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LUKSEncryptionSectorSize" - not done yet, cmurf will do it this week 15:14:07 cmurf: how about testcloud/ntrfs? 15:14:09 also btrfs 15:14:27 adamw What is bad? 15:15:04 is testcloud used at all in openqa? i've never used testcloud before 15:15:08 I've seen a few BT complaints recently, theres such a bluetooth test day? it is possible? 15:15:10 fzatloukl around? 15:15:11 Lailah, I am not sure, I do have bt headphones and they seem to work fine. Overall, I did not have any problems with audio on the basic daily use so far.- 15:15:17 imo, testcloud shouldn't care about FS, if guestfs supports it... 15:15:20 Firefox cannot play netflix, though 15:15:26 (libguestfs) 15:15:45 lruzicka2 .... ah, I'm the unlucky one :'( 15:16:22 geraldosimiao That would be a great idea! 15:16:42 frantisekz: that's what i'm thinking, it should be invisible 15:16:53 geraldosimiao, it for sure is possible if someone writes the test cases and expectations :D 15:16:57 did the changes already happen? 15:17:02 Lailah: headphones not working is bad :) 15:17:19 adamw: That's true 15:17:26 cmurf: no, openqa doesn't use it 15:17:39 I'll give it a try (it's really simple to use, if you wanted/needed sometime: testcloud instance create fedora:rawhide) 15:17:41 Oh BTW adamw I have something to comment on KDE + Wayland 15:17:47 cmurf: the line that prompted the action item was "15:35:45 might need to make sure testcloud is working with the btrfs cloud images? :)" 15:18:41 Lailah, sounds like something for the next topic 15:19:05 bittin: Cool :-D 15:19:10 cmurf: if you need any help with that lmk. 15:19:17 geraldosimiao, we can surely have one but the problem with BT specfic is the the proprietary drivers, example my one plus z buds would pair but wont playback anything 15:19:36 lruzicka2: I would apply for that if I had any BT experience (I dont have BT here on my notebook and dont use any BT at all) 15:19:38 this is what i get for talking out my ear 15:19:43 =) 15:20:02 testcloud should work but also shouldn't care about file system, so i don't think we need a testday to determine if testcloud is still working 15:20:05 sumantro: so its too specific to create some usefull tests? 15:20:16 #info "cmurf check in with fzatloukl that testcloud is OK with btrfs images" - we think it should be, hasn't been tested for sure yet though 15:20:20 and i have no reason to think it isn't; but if it's not, and if it's due to the btrfs change then it's a bug and needs to get fixed 15:20:33 sumantro, geraldosimiao maybe create a list of non working BT headphones and see if Red Hat / Fedora can email the vendors? 15:20:45 #topic Fedora 35 status and Change check-in 15:21:18 bittin: that's possible, I can gatter information on that 15:21:32 geraldosimiao, that would be great! 15:22:09 so Lailah you had something about KDE + Wayland on Fedora ? 15:22:11 bittin: Should I add mine? 15:22:18 bittin: Yes 15:22:26 so it looks like something changed in gnome-initial-setup over the weekend which is causing openQA to choke, i'll have to look at that after the meeting 15:23:08 before that, it was mostly doing okay with a few known issues - backgrounds aren't in yet, a freeipa bug that's getting worked out, a gnome update issue we need gnome folks to look into, and memtest still being busted 15:23:14 adamw, looks like all builds works now, but it has been a bit shaky, Lailah go ahead 15:23:30 bittin: Thanks 15:24:18 So the issue is this. Under Wayland, for some reason, when you change either Plasma theme or Global theme, the wallpaper will change and either show a black screen or reset to default. 15:24:37 Not the theme's default but Fedora's default. 15:24:42 huh, that's an interesting one 15:24:48 It 15:25:06 It's more interesting because it doesn't happen in ALL machines. 15:25:32 also interesting but could make it harder to debug... 15:25:32 For example, in my Lenovo it's okay but once in a while it shows a black screen. But most of the time doesn't change. 15:25:32 have you reported it at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ if not that might be a good first step 15:25:42 And it doesn't change if it's on X11 15:25:54 adamw, cmurf: testcloud works well with btrfs, tested on Fedora-Cloud-Base-35-20210823.n.0.x86_64.qcow2 15:26:03 * cmurf asked about LUKS sector size change in #anaconda 15:26:14 But there's someone in the KDE Telegram group that had this issue consistently and still has it. 15:26:16 frantisekz: ok awesome, thanks 15:26:26 np, thanks for the heads up about the change 15:26:37 (completely forgot about it) 15:26:52 geraldosimiao, same with me. I am a wire lover. 15:27:13 There was another person in the group who had that problem for a long time but eventually it resolved itself after a major update. 15:27:16 lruzicka2: yeah oldschool here too ;) 15:27:29 been thinking of buying a wireless headset but using 3.5" and USB for now 15:27:43 adamw: AFAIK the only difference is user1 having Nvidia and users 2 &3 having Intel. 15:27:53 adamw, openqa chokes on it, it seems the accounts are gone .. but I was not able to run it in the VM, it ended with "oops, something went wrong" 15:27:55 all the time 15:28:16 lruzicka2: i'll figure out the change in the code later. 15:28:23 adamw, also, I wanted to collect some data but it seems liveuser could not be used to enter the system 15:28:27 bittin: I didn't report it because I was unsure it was worth a bug. 15:28:36 I mean, I've no idea what's going on. 15:28:50 Lailah, might be a good idea to get the devs attention (but i can be wrong) 15:28:58 Lailah, it's worth any time ... you can close it anytime 15:29:41 Okay, I'll report it then 15:29:58 Thanks for the feedback bittin lruzicka2 adamw 15:30:06 Lailah, no problem 15:30:09 np 15:30:17 adamw: about changes on F35, the change "wireplumber as session manager for pipewire" doesnt affect the ticket https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1983861 ? 15:30:39 geraldosimiao: i think that change is meant to provide a way to solve that bug, but not sure 15:30:53 ok 15:31:56 speaking of Wireplumber ... should it not have been the default? I do not think it is the default on my F35 15:32:16 yeah 15:32:19 it should 15:32:31 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WirePlumber 15:33:22 I don't think it is, no 15:33:33 I didn't see Wireplumber until now 15:33:47 In this chat. Not the computer. 15:34:37 oh, wait, sorry, i was confused 15:34:54 yeah there's a sound bug on every laptop i've tried f35 on, no input or output device 15:34:54 it's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Restart_User_Service_after_Upgrade that helps to fix the bug 15:35:30 cmurf, but the workaround is to start the pipewire-media-session which is not wireplumber 15:35:34 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1518#note_1038386 15:35:46 the wireplumber change may possibly be the cause of this bug, in fact 15:35:47 cmurf, does it mean, you replace the default with an older solution? 15:36:04 ok, that seems possible 15:36:04 depending on exactly what pipewire-media-session is 15:36:08 well they are clean installs 15:36:17 pipewire is running but no devices 15:36:45 the wireplumber Change was marked MODIFIED with no details. i should probably dig in and figure out what all is going on... 15:37:22 the most recent clean install i did was with 20210811 15:37:25 #action adamw to figure out exact current state of pipewire session manager stuff (fresh install vs. upgrade, wireplumber vs. 'example session manager' 15:38:00 what i'm not sure of is if input/output devices show up with a live media boot 15:38:28 i'll try to get some time to test with a newer image and see if there's a diff between live boot and installed 15:38:50 cmurf, I can tell you right now. No devices on my live medium right now. 15:40:03 cmurf, using systemctl --user start pipewire-media-session did the trick :D 15:40:26 yeah that worked for me as well 15:40:32 with 20210811 + updates 15:40:34 lruzicka2: Looks like 15:40:44 cmurf, I am using 20210822 :D 15:40:55 ok well then it's probably not fixed in the past 24 hours 15:41:08 0823 just got released but not sure if its fixed there, still downloading it 15:41:14 (as just as a couple of minutes ago) 15:41:40 the bugs haven't been updated 15:42:02 so either the service that's needed isn't set to be enabled by default, or we're expecting wireplumber to start but it isn't, or something. 15:43:19 yep 15:44:36 it seems so 15:45:29 alrighty, well, we'll look into it some more 15:45:31 I imagine WirePlumber waiting to start and we're waiting for it to start, and nothing happens :-P 15:45:36 any other notes on f35? major features, problematic bugs? 15:45:40 the change set should be fixed now 15:45:48 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/35/ChangeSet 15:45:59 adamw: Nothing from my side... that I remember 15:46:11 don't have anything 15:47:21 rgr 15:47:31 ? 15:47:38 roger 15:47:41 Ah 15:48:19 and for testdays it sounded like an audio and encrypted disks test day coming up? 15:48:29 maybe a Kernel 5.14 too as that comes out on Sunday? 15:48:51 bittin, test days are like the next segment in the show 15:48:52 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-rc7 15:49:02 sumantro, was trying to go there :D 15:49:08 indeed :) 15:49:11 sorry, was just making sure we were done 15:49:18 #topic Test Day / community event status 15:49:45 So, in the land of Test Days the tickets are filed, I will file a few more tonight 15:50:13 awesome 15:50:15 I have contacted maintainers and I will work with cmurf and others for luks and audio test day in the next week 15:50:18 did we schedule any yet? 15:50:22 great 15:50:40 adamw by next week we will have dates and more info 15:50:52 sounds good :) 15:51:14 #info audio and LUKS test days will be scheduled soon, watch the mailing list for announcements 15:51:27 I am thinking of now adding a tag called "maintainer contacted" in our pagure in order for contributors to know the status on test days for changesets.. WDY'all think? 15:51:36 +1 15:53:25 adamw that's all from my side! 15:53:59 yup, sounds good to me 15:54:19 +1 15:54:46 #topic Open floor 15:54:50 any other business, folks? 15:54:59 don't have anything special this time 15:55:04 adamw, if I'd need a newpackage to go through a FE process, would that be issue? (it's not certain it's going to be the case, it may) , I don't know if I should hurry with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1992627 which may or may not be required for newer gjs ( https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/-/merge_requests/632 ) which usually goes in under FE umbrella together with rest of GNOME 15:55:20 adamw: Not from me 15:55:45 frantisekz i don't see any particular specific problem there, no 15:55:51 okay, ty :) 15:55:55 if there's an FE justification we could certainly approve a newpackage bug 15:56:23 i don't think adding the dist-git repo would require an infra freeze exception, but if it did you could just file a ticket for that too... 15:56:55 okey dokey, I'll keep that in mind 15:57:25 No more issues here from me 16:00:10 alright, thanks for coming, everyone! 16:00:13 see you next time 16:00:14 #endmeeting