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#fedora-meeting: ELN SIG 2022-03-11
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Meeting started by sgallagh at 17:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2022-03-11/eln.2022-03-11-17.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Init Process  (sgallagh, 17:00:13)

* Status Report  (sgallagh, 17:04:18)
  * Composes are timing out and failing, but we did get a good one on
    Mar. 9  (sgallagh, 17:06:12)
  * ELN SIG spoke to the Fedora Council yesterday, see recording at
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnIfca4LPFVn8-FjpPVc1ow when
    available  (sgallagh, 17:08:29)
  * ELN-Extras is in progress, but slow going due to other commitments.
    Reviews requested for
    https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/ci-cd/distrosync/distrobuildsync/-/merge_requests/37
    (sgallagh, 17:11:45)

* x86_64-v3  (sgallagh, 17:13:54)
  * ACTION: sgallagh to discuss the impact of x86_64-v3 on RHEL for Edge
    with RHEL Pgm  (sgallagh, 17:54:10)
  * Important points raised: v3 was not universally available until
    2017, which means existing hardware may need replacement to run
    (sgallagh, 17:55:20)
  * non-AVX2 hardware is still in production, and widely deployed in
    long-lifecycle environments (emdedded/pos/appliances/etc.) that
    could be impacted by this change  (dcavalca, 17:55:30)
  * Concerns about ISV and integrator cases for x86_64-v3 for RHEL.
    Would prefer to see us look into supporting multiple flavors for
    x86_64 in parallel like done in the past with ppc64 with p7 and
    x86_32 with i586 and i686  (Eighth_Doctor, 17:55:34)
  * Edge devices frequently use low-power Intel chips such as Atom and
    many (most?) don't have v3 support  (sgallagh, 17:55:47)
  * Increasing the baseline will lead to smaller code (both in less disk
    space and higher efficiency)  (sgallagh, 17:56:47)
  * On the other hand, multiple builds in the OS do not clean the pipes
    for ISVs, which would have to deliver multiple builds as well to
    avoid support issues.  (fweimer, 17:56:51)
  * The guaranteed availability of AVX2 extensions would benefit
    high-performance computing, particularly machine-learning.
    (sgallagh, 17:57:20)
  * OpenMandriva has an implementation of x86_64 flavors we can use as a
    basis to understand implementing a similar system for supporting
    x86_64-vX levels in parallel.  (Eighth_Doctor, 17:58:32)

Meeting ended at 18:03:44 UTC.




Action Items
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* sgallagh to discuss the impact of x86_64-v3 on RHEL for Edge with RHEL
  Pgm




Action Items, by person
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* sgallagh
  * sgallagh to discuss the impact of x86_64-v3 on RHEL for Edge with
    RHEL Pgm
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




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* Eighth_Doctor (66)
* sgallagh (59)
* fweimer (37)
* jforbes (29)
* dcavalca (24)
* zodbot (11)
* cyberpear (2)
* Conan_Kudo (0)




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