17:00:17 <mhroncok> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-09-20)
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17:00:21 <mhroncok> #meetingname fesco
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17:00:25 <mhroncok> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
17:00:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek
17:00:27 <mhroncok> #topic init process
17:00:28 <jvanek> hello!
17:00:31 <nirik> morning
17:00:32 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:00:32 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:00:35 <music[m]> .hello music
17:00:36 <zodbot> music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' <code@musicinmybrain.net>
17:00:52 <salimma> .hi
17:00:53 <zodbot> salimma: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
17:00:55 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
17:00:56 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:01:05 * jvanek portable jdk builds delaye dfeature
17:01:14 <zbyszek> .hello2
17:01:15 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
17:01:22 <jvanek> hello!
17:01:31 <mhayden> .hi
17:01:32 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com>
17:01:53 <mhroncok> I count 6 FESCo members, we have quorum
17:02:20 <mhroncok> #topic #2859 F37 incomplete Changes: 100% complete deadline
17:02:26 <mhroncok> .fesco 2859
17:02:27 <zodbot> mhroncok: Issue #2859: F37 incomplete Changes: 100% complete deadline - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2859
17:02:35 <jvanek> yah :(
17:02:38 <mhroncok> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic was submitted as an Fedora 37 update after it was deferred to Fedora 38. We need to decide what to do.
17:02:45 <jvanek> sorry for that. What options are here?
17:03:10 <mhroncok> I see 2 obvious options: ship it in Fedora 37 or not ship it in Fedora 37
17:03:23 <mhroncok> there seem to be no "partial" way
17:03:33 <jvanek> As far as Ican judge, the chnage is strightforward and well tested by OpenJDK qa
17:03:47 <jvanek> We spent whole summor on that, and are pretty confident we will not break buildroot
17:03:47 <mhroncok> as said in the ticket, I don't mind shipping this now, after BEta, iff QA folks are Ok with that
17:03:56 <jvanek> yah
17:04:10 <mhroncok> well, this is not about buidlroot any more, we are talking users
17:04:29 <jvanek> As for runtime, all what we know, was handled. Issue may be, what we were not aware about
17:04:38 <mhroncok> jvanek: have you talked to Fedora QA folks? what are their thoght about shipping this post-beta?
17:04:50 <nirik> I guess I'm a weak +1 to go ahead and ship it in f37.
17:04:52 <jvanek> Should I... Ihoped they will be there
17:04:56 <mhroncok> jvanek: and that is exactly why this was supposed to land in Beta
17:05:04 <jvanek> I'm strong +1, but I guess I do nto count :)
17:05:11 <mhroncok> :ú
17:05:14 <mhroncok> :)
17:05:17 <nirik> adamw / kparal  ^ (if you are around)
17:05:41 <mhroncok> do we ship openjdk on media?
17:05:55 <adamw> not sure.
17:06:20 <adamw> i don't think anything release-blocking depends on it. uh. maybe freeipa?
17:06:23 <nirik> astronomy and scientific kde seem to
17:06:24 <kalev> yes, I believe: java-17-openjdk-headless is a dependency of libreoffice
17:07:01 <nirik> that would include kde then...
17:07:06 <mhroncok> adamw: any opinion on shipping  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic now for F37?
17:07:14 <sgallagh> I’m here now.
17:07:23 <adamw> meh. if it breaks libreoffice we should be able to notice it...
17:07:23 <mhroncok> the update is https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-8cc5b13278
17:07:39 <jvanek> adamw,  fair enough, ty
17:07:58 <mhroncok> Ok, proposal.
17:08:14 <zbyszek> So… what does libreoffice use java for, i.e. how to test this?
17:08:23 <jvanek> If it breaks, I have no issue to revert the patches
17:08:44 <mhroncok> Proposal: The update may be shipped after Fedora  37 Beta release, before the Fedora 37 Final Freeze.
17:08:49 <mhroncok> +1 myself
17:09:16 <zbyszek> +1 too
17:09:20 <mhayden> +1 on that
17:09:35 <nirik> +1
17:09:38 <jvanek> +1
17:09:44 <sgallagh> Doesn't dogtag/tomcat depend on it?
17:09:46 <kalev> zbyszek: I don't know why it needs it
17:09:49 <mhroncok> jvanek: FESCo members only please
17:10:01 <jvanek> I coudnt resits O:) sorry
17:10:28 <adamw> Stephen Gallagher: yeah, that's what i was thinking
17:10:34 <adamw> still, if it breaks freeipa openqa will find out
17:10:38 <adamw> has this landed in rawhide already?
17:10:44 <jvanek> adamw,  yes
17:10:45 <mhroncok> yes
17:10:47 <jvanek> month ago
17:11:01 <adamw> okay. freeipa tests are fine in rawhide.
17:11:17 <music[m]> +1
17:11:19 <mhroncok> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-19a88d07b6 2 weeks ago
17:11:40 <sgallagh> OK, if it's not breaking FreeIPA, I'm +1
17:11:49 <jvanek> \o/
17:11:58 <salimma> kalev: IIRC LibreOffice's scripting layer needs Java, but it's been a while since I used it
17:12:13 <mhroncok> Conan Kudo: vote?
17:12:32 <zbyszek> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java
17:12:45 <Eighth_Doctor> +1
17:12:48 <mhroncok> #agree The update may be shipped after Fedora  37 Beta release, before the Fedora 37 Final Freeze. (+7,0,-0)
17:12:58 <salimma> ah: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/015
17:13:05 <jvanek> mhroncok, latest was 2 weeks before 17 backport iirc
17:13:11 <mhroncok> jvanek: thanks for being patient. please try to follow the process the next time and respond to the Program Manager's queries sooner
17:13:18 <jvanek> ut sure, nothing depends on jdk 18
17:13:24 <jvanek> mhroncok,  yah
17:13:26 <jvanek> sure
17:13:44 <jvanek> it really was not intentional, summer vacations made mayhem
17:13:47 <jvanek> tyvm guys
17:14:09 <mhroncok> anything else about this topic?
17:14:38 <jvanek> mhroncok,  eil lyou reply to yoursef to the bofhi update I did
17:14:39 <jvanek> ?
17:15:03 <mhroncok> eugh?
17:15:44 <jvanek> mhroncok, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2022-8cc5b13278
17:15:50 <jvanek> you wrote "do not push here"
17:15:59 <jvanek> maybe you can unlock me, so I can at least enable autokarma
17:16:12 <mhroncok> sure thing
17:16:44 <mhroncok> #topic Next week's chair
17:16:53 <mhroncok> who can chair the next meeting?
17:17:00 <jvanek> tyvm!
17:17:02 * jvanek leaving
17:17:22 <zbyszek> jvanek: thanks!
17:17:31 <zbyszek> I can do next week.
17:17:53 <mhroncok> #action zbyszek will chair next meeting
17:18:03 <mhroncok> #topic Open Floor
17:18:14 <jvanek> ty guys
17:18:15 <jvanek> bye
17:18:18 <mhroncok> I have nothing
17:18:24 <mhroncok> jvanek: bye
17:19:39 <sgallagh> I don't have any topics for Open Floor either
17:20:02 * nirik has nothing off hand
17:20:20 <mhroncok> thank you all
17:20:21 <mhroncok> #endmeeting