14:01:32 #startmeeting Council (2023-04-26) 14:01:32 Meeting started Wed Apr 26 14:01:32 2023 UTC. 14:01:32 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:01:32 The chair is bcotton. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 14:01:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:32 The meeting name has been set to 'council_(2023-04-26)' 14:01:42 #meetingname council 14:01:42 The meeting name has been set to 'council' 14:01:42 #chair dcantrell siddharthvipul1 jwf bookwar mattdm bcotton sumantrom bt0 t0xic0der 14:01:42 Current chairs: bcotton bt0 dcantrell siddharthvipul1 jwf bookwar mattdm bcotton sumantrom t0xic0der 14:01:48 #topic Introductions, Welcomes 14:01:55 o/ 14:02:03 hello, everyone! who's here today? 14:02:20 I am. 14:02:25 .hello t0xic0der 14:02:27 t0xic0der: t0xic0der 'Akashdeep Dhar' 14:02:35 Hey everyone! 14:02:41 .hello bookwar 14:02:42 AleksandraFedoro: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' 14:03:03 Flaky connection here. Please bear with me. 14:03:14 .hello siddharthvipul1 14:03:15 VipulSiddharth[m: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' 14:03:31 * SumantroMukherje is lurking 14:03:38 .hello sumantrom 14:03:39 SumantroMukherje: sumantrom 'Sumantro Mukherjee' 14:05:44 .hello jflory7 14:05:45 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 14:05:56 I am half here. In a live meeting at the same time. 14:06:44 quite a crowd. let's get started! 14:07:00 #topic Today's agenda 14:07:11 #info Open ticket review 14:07:11 #info Your topics here! 14:07:18 #topic Tickets review 14:07:18 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issues?status=Open&order_key=date_created&order=desc 14:07:18 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issues?status=Open&order_key=date_created&order=desc 14:07:59 #info One more day of voting for the "equalize auxiliary positions" proposal 14:08:03 #info (everyone present has already voted) 14:08:06 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/447 14:08:40 #info I started the interview questions a week early (oops!) so there's still plenty of time to weigh in 14:08:41 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/448 14:09:42 #info Trademark approval for fedora-toolbox as release-blocking deliverable 14:09:44 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-449-trademark-approval-for-container-fedora-toolbox-as-a-fedora-linux-39-release-blocking-deliverable/81236/5 14:10:12 ^ has had some good discussion and no real objections. if you have something to add, please do. otherwise, i think we'll just call for votes 14:11:06 Re 448, as the person who went through this recently, I do find the last question a bit intimidating. Not sure whether it is a bad thing, though. 14:11:51 the last question from the f37 cycle or the new one ("what will you stop doing?") 14:12:52 "The Council's primary role is to identify the short-, medium-, and long-term goals of the Fedora community and enable the project to achieve those goals. Right now, we are working on a new plan for the next 3-5 years. How will you help?" 14:13:15 I like your proposal 14:14:23 I will reply in the thread once I get my thoughts together 14:14:32 awesome! 14:15:27 Sumantro Mukherjee: any update on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/434 ? 14:15:48 I can get it done by this by this week. 14:16:08 I am on it though 14:16:23 SumantroMukherje++ 14:17:01 Also just to clarify, for the trademark approval - we are voting to allow Fedora in the specific variant name, we are not voting on if it should be a variant, or whether the variant is a release blocker. Just the name, right? 14:17:41 correct. the name is up to us. the rest is for FESCo to decide 14:17:56 thanks 14:18:16 OH HI SORRY 14:19:33 welcome, mattdm 14:20:07 Aleksandra Fedorova: any update on https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/435 ? 14:21:47 No. but there will be :) 14:22:07 I will provide an update before the next meeting 14:22:45 rockin 14:22:46 I know there's an update on #436 14:22:53 #info Matthew started the "What if we took devel and moved it to Discussion?" thread 14:22:55 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Z2T5WKUTHNLS2SVCVAWNYYRIBK3NGF32/ 14:23:02 Yes he sure did! 14:23:09 maybe some day that 179-message thread will load in Hyperkitty 14:23:31 (perhaps reinforcing the need for this proposal) 14:24:14 mattdm: anything to add on this one? 14:26:06 There are items from that thread which need follow-ups or research. Where do we store them? Separate thread for each? One thread for all? 14:28:59 (sorry got distracted by that very thing) 14:29:06 I suggest a thread each to keep the topic focused 14:29:43 I don't have anything to add right now. Yeah, Aleksandra, could you do that? I think in the Help & Feedback category. 14:30:31 ok, we should probably have a shared label for that, but this can be resolved later 14:30:59 Ping me a tag name and I'll create it. :) 14:31:35 I will create some things which I was able to catch from that discussion, can not guarantee that this will be all 14:32:13 the really important stuff will bubble up again later if you miss it 14:33:11 I'm trying to keep up as best I can but there are some distractions this week 14:33:24 yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup 14:33:53 any other open tickets we want to particularly nudge or discuss? 14:34:27 * t0xic0der got one stuff for open floor 14:34:46 t0xic0der: ack 14:35:12 me too it's small 14:35:21 mattdm: ack 14:35:29 There was one ticket about collecting mailing lists stats. I wonder if anyone got any recent experience and has insights how it can be done? As for me it is not clear where to start. 14:35:53 But it doesn't have to be discussed today. Just if you have any tips, post them there 14:35:59 It was done by vaguely waving an #action in the vicinity of bcotton and then it magically happened. 14:36:10 That is a good question. Red Hat OSPO may or may not have some tools for getting that sort of data, but I don't know 14:36:18 https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/434 14:36:56 I think i am taking 434 14:37:00 ah, actually, i just realized we have talked about this one at the beginning, sorry 14:37:30 Sumantro Mukherjee: i somehow missed that this was exactly the one 14:37:46 no questions then 14:37:50 there was quite a flurry of activity, it's forgivable :-) 14:37:54 #topic Next meeting 14:37:55 SO! 14:38:08 * bcotton pauses to go find his discussion thread about this 14:38:59 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/may-and-june-video-meetings/80799 14:39:39 so with a whopping two votes, there's unanimous agreement that we should un-cancel the video meeting in 2 weeks and cancel the june one instead (due to the release party being later than normal) 14:39:51 any objections? 14:40:03 None from my end 14:41:43 #agreed The May video meeting is uncancelled and the June video meeting is cancelled 14:42:02 What's the May meeting?:) 14:42:06 So the question becomes: who should be the special guest? 14:43:32 well don't everyone make a suggestion at once :-) 14:43:40 I'm thinking! 14:44:14 universal blue person? 14:44:21 I don't remember the name 14:44:22 Oh, that's a good idea! 14:44:27 Jorge Castro 14:44:51 He's got a lot of energy and will make a fun video, too. 14:45:11 (Although maybe better for the Fedora Podcast than a Council meeting?) 14:45:23 Why don't we have both? :-) 14:45:23 Because I'm not sure there's actionable Council things from it at this point. 14:45:46 We could, for sure! 14:46:15 Or, hmmm: we could maybe get our internal rpm-ostree spin team leads? 14:46:17 the council focus would be focusing on the immutable images objective and whether or not it is aligned with the downstream goals for example 14:46:40 internal rpm-ostree is also interesting 14:47:11 Let's start internal, I think? 14:47:28 mattdm: can I action you to make those arrangements? 14:48:15 #action mattdm to invite Silverblue, CoreOS, IoT, Kinoite, etc., teams to May council meeting. 14:48:26 Ben, what is the planned time and date? 14:48:40 10 May @ 10:00 AM Eastern (1400 UTC) 14:49:21 #info the next meeting will be a video meeting featuring our rpm-ostree teams 14:49:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings 14:49:53 #info The next regular business meeting is Wednesday 24 May 14:49:56 #topic Open floor 14:50:01 t0xic0der: go ahead 14:50:14 Right 14:50:21 I started off with wrapping up the Fedora Websites and Apps community initiative with the first of a series of five blogposts summing up where we started from, what we did and where we ended up. 14:50:28 Here's a link to it - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/review-publish-wrapping-up-the-fedora-websites-and-apps-community-initiative-story-part-i/81469 14:50:33 I am in the process of creating a detailed presentation on the progress we have made on the outcomes that we set out to achieve and outputs we set out to deliver. I plan on delivering those in the coming major community events. 14:50:38 That's about it from my side. 14:50:47 bcotton: Back to you 14:51:00 thanks, t0xic0der 14:51:09 t0xic0der++ 14:51:09 bcotton: Karma for t0xic0der changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:51:16 mattdm: the floor is yours 14:51:47 yes I just wanted to note that the new notifications system is live 14:52:02 and there probably should be a commblog post about it 14:52:53 I can ask Aurelien to write one... but is something already scheduled? 14:53:06 nothing that i'm aware of, so probably no 14:53:41 ok i'll invite 14:53:50 thanks! 14:54:23 anything else for open floor? 14:55:11 not from me 14:55:19 None from me as well 14:55:31 Let me know whether digging on those data analysis tools for mailing lists would be helpful 14:55:39 I might not have much to contribute, but if I can, then that's super 14:56:12 About the contributor activity statistics? 14:58:36 okay, well that's all the time we have. thanks everyone! 14:58:36 #endmeeting