16:00:17 #startmeeting Fedora ELN SIG (2023-05-05) 16:00:17 Meeting started Fri May 5 16:00:17 2023 UTC. 16:00:17 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:17 The chair is tdawson. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_eln_sig_(2023-05-05)' 16:00:18 #meetingname eln 16:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'eln' 16:00:20 #chair sgallagh bookwar[m] dcavalca tdawson 16:00:20 Current chairs: bookwar[m] dcavalca sgallagh tdawson 16:00:29 morning 16:00:38 hey folks 16:00:44 Morning all. 16:00:59 sgallagh will be a little late, so I'm starting the meeting. 16:02:42 sgallagh said that it would basically be an Open Floor, or whatever people want to talk about. Do we have any subjects we want to talk about? 16:03:17 He suggested https://fedoramagazine.org/changes-eln-kernel-rpm-nvr/ 16:04:38 Are there questions related to that outside of what the article explains? 16:05:10 I haven't heard any yet. 16:06:36 I guess the only thing I can think of, an maybe I missed it in the article, was when are we going to start that. 16:08:13 Oh, I guess it says "In the new few weeks" 16:08:29 right, sometime during the 6.4 cycle 16:09:48 For me, this doesn't affect me to much. I don't have any triggers that go off the kernel naming. 16:10:45 Does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? 16:10:51 .hello yselkowitz 16:10:52 yselkowitz[m]: yselkowitz 'Yaakov Selkowitz' 16:10:55 couple of things 16:11:03 Hello yselkowitz[m] 16:11:10 Go for it. 16:11:20 first, it seems we haven't had ELN composes ia a few days, anything to discuss there? 16:12:16 There is a problem with a kernel %post, it is being worked on 16:13:24 ok 16:13:42 second, right now all xmvn-based builds are failing 16:15:20 the error message seems to indicate that maven can't find google-guice 16:15:30 e.g. https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/206/100350206/build.log 16:15:42 `Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/google/inject/Module` 16:15:56 I'm at a loss for what's causing this 16:16:17 rebootstrapping maven (locally with mock) didn't help 16:16:28 anyone we can turn to for help here? 16:19:33 I don't know any good maven developers/maintainers 16:21:23 :-( 16:21:45 I'm curious why you think it can't find google-guice ? 16:21:57 Sorry, that's why I'm having long pauses, I'm looking at the logs. 16:22:14 that class should be from google-guice afaik 16:22:39 Ah, ok. 16:24:08 Well, I don't think we're going to find the answer to it in this meeting. Anything else? 16:24:15 yeah 16:24:33 go for it 16:24:43 third, I'm trying to get rhel-conditional bundling of rust deps into rawhide, in order to drop the 700+ unwanted rust-* packages 16:24:58 got one in, getting some pushback on the others 16:25:31 That's not surprising to me, but go on. 16:26:35 so question will be, if we can't get changes into rawhide, what's the plan? eln branches? 16:26:58 To me, that's what I would recommend. 16:27:31 ok 16:28:03 fourth, there was a recent CR change to switch from qt5 to qt6 in eln 16:28:04 sgallagh might have a different opinion, but from what I've heard, I think he's leaning towards that. 16:28:12 Yes 16:28:29 i wouldn't be shy about doing eln branches. if you need help explaining the strategy let me know 16:28:36 but there are still things that depend on (py)qt5, is there a plan to port those? 16:28:38 There are still some packages pulling in qt5, and those need to get worked through. 16:28:49 bstinson yes we should be in touch 16:29:49 yselkowitz[m]: I'm putting my KDE hat on. Yes, if it is being done upstream. 16:30:59 I took a quick look yesterday, and many of the packages already can be switched to qt6 only if we want. We'll need to put some conditionals. 16:31:16 I was planning on starting to work on that in two weeks. 16:31:42 do we have a ticket to track the affected packages? 16:31:48 Right now the qt5 update in CentOS Stream 9, and prepping everything for whenever RHEL 9.2 get's released, is taking most of my KDE time. 16:32:59 Not that I know of. haven't gotten a full list yet. 16:33:46 Shouldn't be hard to get the list though, between content resolver, and with my ELN install doing "--whatrequires" 16:35:06 I think that's it for now 16:35:16 OK. 16:35:37 yselkowitz[m]: Thank you very much for all the work you've been doing to get the package list trimmed down. 16:35:37 .hi 16:35:38 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 16:35:43 Hi sgallagh 16:36:18 yselkowitz[m]: It's often a thanksless job that most people don't ever see, so I appreciate you doing it. 16:36:51 +1 16:37:25 One point to make about eln branches: we want to identify a maintainer for them. 16:37:44 I don’t want us being the only ones responsible for keeping them in shape. 16:38:26 So for any package that wants an ELN branch, we should reach out to the RHEL maintainer and make sure they’re involved. 16:39:33 /soapbox 16:39:55 That was my only meaningful contribution today. 16:40:01 sgallagh: I think that's more than a soapbox ... closer to a good policy. 16:40:05 *laughs* 16:40:32 Does anyone else have anything they want to bring up? 16:40:33 tag me too for those, because we're trying to sort out some future-release maintainership things currently 16:42:38 Are we ok closing the meeting early? Now that sgallagh is here, we can. 16:43:05 Fine by md 16:43:10 * Fine by me 16:43:42 Thank you all for comming, and for your ELN efforts. 16:44:10 #endmeeting