17:30:51 #startmeeting Mindshare 17:30:51 Meeting started Wed Feb 6 17:30:51 2019 UTC. 17:30:51 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:30:51 The chair is bexelbie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:30:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:30:51 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:30:51 #chair jsmith sumantrom robyduck nb x3mboy bt0dotninja mleonova bex bexelbie bt0 17:30:51 #topic Roll Call 17:30:51 .hello bex 17:30:51 Current chairs: bex bexelbie bt0 bt0dotninja jsmith mleonova nb robyduck sumantrom x3mboy 17:30:52 bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' 17:31:06 @sumantro9 it is right now 17:31:10 @sumantro93 it is right now 17:31:18 .hello2 17:31:19 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 17:31:29 Joining in a min! 17:32:21 bt0dotninja is here too 17:32:46 #topic Agenda 17:32:46 Proposed: Tickets: 82, 88, 89 and then Open Floor 17:32:46 Any suggested additions or modifications? 17:33:02 Sounds good to me 17:33:19 For me too 17:33:26 Fine for me too 17:33:51 #topic #82 Requesting budget for SCaLE17x 17:33:52 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82 17:34:18 This feels blocked and I am not sure why 17:34:27 while I would appreciate a writeup more like #83 - I am curious what others think 17:34:49 I agree... we need more details 17:35:39 @bt0dotninja @sumantro93 ? 17:36:20 * sumantro looks 17:36:29 Exactly, we need more info 17:36:36 * bexelbie added a note with what jsmith said 17:37:03 In fact, we're a month away and still don't have details -- I'd personally lean towards even voting -1 unless they provide more details quickly, and reserve the right to change my vote 17:37:06 needs more info for #82 17:37:42 ok, lets see if they can help us here. I am in favor of giving them some leeway as we seem to have dropped the ball on this one - I am not sure how it has gotten forgotten - we have been donig great 17:37:44 #topic #88 Funding Request: oSC 2019 17:37:45 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/88 17:37:47 .hello2 17:37:48 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 17:38:16 this has been open for long enough that I think with these +1s alone it is fine 17:38:30 jsmith, you're the only one who hasn't voted 17:38:33 in ticket I mean 17:38:48 This will come from next FY, except maybe the stickers 17:38:57 Gimme one second to review, please 17:39:02 absolutely 17:39:04 #88 looks sorted to me 17:39:14 I think our policy indicates that this should be approved, am I right? 17:39:36 x3mboy, I think our policy ambigious on these amounts - something we should fix 17:39:54 +1 from me, noted on the ticket 17:40:11 cool - I suggest digress into policy 17:40:21 x3mboy, for $100 yes, above that its very grey, we should fix it soon 17:40:22 how about for tickets under $1000 we set up a policy and end the ambiguity? 17:40:36 yes bexelbie that will be good 17:40:47 bexelbie, that sounds right 17:41:14 I suggest that tickets under $1000 require 3 +1s, no -1s and 11 days open 17:41:18 WDYT? 17:41:26 11 days was to ensure it passes through at least one meeting 17:41:30 and can't be destroyed by holidays 17:41:40 10 was too round :P 17:41:55 if you all like this, I'll open a ticket to capture +1s in 17:42:06 sounds alright to me :P 17:42:47 +1 to bexelbie proposal 17:42:52 #action bex to open a policy setting ticket and ping everyone to vote in ticket. 17:43:27 can i draft it into the advocates policy once everyone votes ? :P 17:43:32 ok, I'll open the policy ticket and I'll note this is approved when we hit 11 days unless all active members have already voted (which may now be the case) 17:43:39 sumantro, it should be a separate policy, but yes 17:43:50 bexelbie, sure! 17:43:54 #topic #89 Funding request: Fedora<3.NET swa 17:43:55 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/89 17:44:24 My primary concern with this ticket is spending this much money on HS students who aren't our normal target at all - and we do have other uses, afaik for that $350 17:44:31 I respect that shirts are expensive in small batches though 17:46:21 I think it's ok. 10 is not too much and catch people at young age would be amazing 17:46:46 but there is no follow up planned as far as I can tell - if we had an edu concept it'd be easier for me 17:46:49 I am +0 right now 17:46:56 my +1 may not be needed though 17:47:11 The edu concept is still blocked on our side 17:47:13 xD 17:47:29 We need to move on high topics, beyond tickets 17:47:38 We have several topics blocked 17:48:03 right now there isn't a champion for an edu program, afaik 17:48:05 That people expect that Mindshare could address better than FAmSCo 17:48:11 but lets get back to this ticket first 17:48:25 then talk edu program in open floor, ok? 17:48:36 okay 17:48:41 Sure. Well we need to ping rhea about it 17:48:42 +1 17:48:43 for this ticket, if there are no other comments, lets see if we can get ticket votes so we can land this charge in this FY 17:48:45 That can be hard 17:49:06 x3mboy, what do we need from her - put it in the ticket - she should be seeing those emails 17:49:15 Ok 17:50:08 any more comments on this ticket? If not, please vote in ticket - I'll try to rush the approval if we all cast a vote so we can get this done this year 17:50:25 #topic Open Floor 17:50:27 x3mboy, you're up 17:50:47 Sorry for the latency 17:51:01 On #89, I can make t-shirts for cheaper than that 17:51:08 Ticket commented 17:51:54 jsmith, no worries - please comment on the ticket. I can also work with her on vendors as I don't know how she is making her vendor selection and we may well be able to do better 17:52:13 Done 17:52:40 commented on #89 17:52:51 Ok, if I'm not wrong we have at least 2 blocked tickets, 5 needs feedback and several more that need more work 17:53:17 at least 17:53:31 Regarding students, we have the FOSS student pack ticket 17:53:34 https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/16 17:53:58 I think the challenge is that we are not an infinite supply of labor. The big things we have gotten done have been because someone has championed it. Things like #16 are a "we need generic help to solve a problem that has no champion" and we don't do well resourcing that 17:54:02 But no progress have been made 17:54:26 that ticket ends "Also we are asking for more direction on how to drive and focus the efforts to put this out. 17:54:27 " 17:54:36 what more is needed - what has been done? what is blocked? 17:54:39 the submitter doesn't say 17:54:46 they seem to want us to magically cause their idea to come to be 17:54:59 in a sense the champion is the "showing up with code" in my opinion 17:55:16 x3mboy, I just realized you submitted that ticket - so sorry to refer to you in the third person above 17:55:23 bexelbie, sure, I agree on that. But how can we focus work to move on. 17:55:38 what is the next actionable item for that ticket? 17:55:48 right now it is a generic request for guidance 17:55:58 Did you try to talk to those groups and if so, what did that say? 17:56:15 bexelbie, yes. And all of them ask for directions too 17:56:17 :( 17:56:29 what did they need direction on? 17:57:06 x3mboy lets take one week and make this headed someway ... say what? 17:57:07 But my point is that we need a better way to deal with those topic. For example, with #16 I can draft a better thing by infiltrating meeting (that's what I do best) 17:57:14 But the others? 17:57:31 for each one we need to figure out an actionable item 17:57:40 a few are blocked on our FAMSCo folks 17:57:45 e.g. #3 17:58:25 I don't see how #3 is not a marketing ticket or a Marketing + Edition WG ticket 17:58:49 FAmSCo or FAmA? 17:58:49 I don't think Mindshare is an unlimited supply of people-power to get this done 17:59:00 FAmA in my previous response - sorry about that 18:00:12 I think #3 is open specifically because we can't commit to getting 1-2 feature profiles written. we don't even seem to have had these since F18 18:00:13 Yeah the problem with #3 is not me (marketing) not taking the hit, it's that we need to create a profiles/targets list 18:00:50 I don't think Mindshare can do that - only the Editions WGs know what they are shipping 18:00:59 they don't come to Mindshare for product definitions they define the products 18:01:04 And there had been a lot of discussion about what should be the targets 18:01:10 look at how hard docs struggles to get Relese Notes 18:01:22 Yeah 18:01:30 so true 18:01:38 Based on the last council hack, I think the editions WGs need to tell us what their targets are and then we run with that 18:01:43 us creating them doesn't make them true 18:01:47 Well, we need to improve our work beyond the funding tickets, that's my message here 18:01:54 if we go to the Editions and they say "we have no targets" that is a council issue 18:02:10 x3mboy, I agree - but the examples you site don't seem to be workable 18:02:22 the blocked ambassador stuff is our "wheelhouse" and needs to be pushed forward 18:02:30 I am 100% in agreement with you there 18:02:42 Agreed 18:02:45 but us defining feature profiles for the Editions feels like not our work - and work we on't do well 18:03:27 68 and 35 are the grey area ones for me (just examples) 18:03:38 and 68 is blocked on amby definitions 18:03:48 and 35 needs to be thought through, get a champino and a next action 18:03:57 And don't forget, we can't even get all our members to the meetings 18:04:23 It seems we have a new one which is to try to get some of our absent members helped to find replacements so we can unblock the tasks they are cookie-licking 18:04:31 and I know everyone has a $dayjob and is busy - it isn't like that 18:04:37 but we do need active folks 18:05:21 Sure, agree with tha 18:05:39 On my large list of to-do items is to go through and try to figure out an action for all of these - but I am also just one person 18:05:46 +1 18:05:49 and I have 4 more hours of Fedora Finance (at least) just to do today 18:05:49 i second bex on this 18:06:25 x3mboy, I feel your frustration because I share it. I just don't know how to resolve it any other way 18:06:29 I can look at tickets on weekends, maybe 3 hour per week 18:06:49 I can commit until I get the podcasts on again 18:07:15 I need a new marketing champion, jwf stole bt0 from me 18:07:16 so if I had to choose, and I know I am not being asked, I think I'd rather see podcasts restarted than a student pack right now 18:07:18 xD 18:07:21 one has demonstrated impact 18:07:22 :P 18:07:36 the other is an idea that duplicates other people and isn't clear how we continue onboarding from 18:08:11 I feel like the student pack, continuing that example, is a great solution, to use the new language, and we should encourage those who want to make that happen to do it :) 18:08:40 or feed these ideas to the desktop initiative that is being pushed around interns/students 18:08:44 and don't try to build something wholly new 18:08:57 +1 to that 18:09:21 Making something from scratch where a lot had been done in others areas doesn't make sense 18:11:34 * jsmith has to run 18:12:07 o/ 18:12:17 any other comments/discussion/open floor? 18:12:24 eom 18:13:46 x3mboy, I am happy to continue to work with you on ideas and solutions - I just am out of people-power to help with at the moment :( 18:14:01 any other issues, otherwise I'll close in a minute 18:15:04 Close it 18:15:18 #endmeeting