17:34:20 <nb> #startmeeting mindshare
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17:34:23 <nb> #topic Roll Call
17:34:27 <nb> .hello2
17:34:28 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:34:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Here :)
17:34:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy
17:36:10 <nb> #topic SCALE https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82
17:36:12 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82
17:36:25 <nb> so, mattdm brought up the issue of metrics
17:36:52 <nb> which is a good idea, but I think should be a separate ticket.  Time is drawing close for SCALE and we need to make a decision on that event so the ambassadors can make hteir plans
17:37:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right
17:38:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Actually I vote a +1 for this ticket
17:38:25 <nb> and we had some good conversation in -ambassadors, and then bex made a reply in there.... metrics should not be a "you didn't meet the metric so you can't have the event next year"
17:38:46 <nb> but just an idead of "was this the right metric? was there something different this year? maybe we should do the event but change our approach some next year"
17:40:12 <nb> although sometimes we should stop doing events we have done in the past.  In NA, we didn't have an actual table at OLF this year, we just sent some swag to one of the organizers
17:41:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm +1 to this ticket
17:42:20 <nb> #topic events
17:42:31 <nb> so what do people think about what I posted a minute ago?
17:42:57 <nb> also, I think something is to be said for connecting with our existing users/contributors
17:43:20 <nb> I don't know about SCALE (I have never been able to go) but at SELF, we almost always have someone at our booth talking to us
17:43:35 <nb> many of the people that stop by use Fedora but aren't a "contributor"
17:43:45 <nb> and a lot of times people come by and want us to help us get Fedora working on their computer
17:43:57 <nb> Stuff like that is hard to quantify, but I think is still a valuable use of our money
17:44:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> That's the most common use on events
17:44:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Make things work on there computers
17:44:55 <nb> It seems like the push now is to have some sort of metric as far as new users/contributors go.  But my fear is that that is leaving out the part of connecting with the existing users
17:45:31 <nb> I think metrics are good, but I think when we establish metrics, we need to make sure people know that it isn't a black/white OH YOU FAILED THIS METRIC, YOU CANT DO THAT EVENT AGAIN
17:46:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> I understand
17:47:00 <nb> and, depending on the metric, they can be gamed
17:47:35 <nb> if metric is new fas accounts created, well, talk people into creating a FAS account even if they won't ever use it.  Or give them swag if they do it or something. but is that really useful
17:48:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Also we need some metrics
17:48:43 <nb> yes
17:49:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> What about Fedora join help request / new FAS
17:49:34 * nb likes using badge claims
17:51:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> It's fine too but a ticket or a process inside the Fedora join will be a better indicator
17:52:47 <nb> I guess I should know this, but where is fedora join?
17:52:51 <nb> all i know of is #fedora-join IRC
17:54:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> @joinfedora
17:54:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Over telegram and pagure too
17:54:52 <nb> oh
17:55:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Is also just one idea
17:55:28 <nb> I think we should start simple.  Like people who get a FAS account and get the badge
17:55:41 <nb> that by itself is hard to convince a lot of people to do
17:56:24 <nb> A lot of the people I talk to at events, they just want to use Fedora.  They don't necessarily want to sign up for stuff, and make posts, etc
17:56:46 <nb> I've had decent luck asking them to get a FAS account (if they don't already have one) and get our event badge on badges
17:57:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Super
17:58:02 * nb looks at what tickets we have
17:59:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Pycon and the citation one
17:59:19 <nb> do we have to vote to send swag?
17:59:23 <nb> they aren't asking for money
17:59:38 * nb doesn't think swag requires a vote, but I don't know if we have ever discussed that
18:00:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> I think this fall under the RP policy , maybe ?
18:00:32 <nb> policy is not RP it is any $150 event, AFAIK
18:01:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Yeah ...
18:01:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> You are rit
18:01:32 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right
18:01:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> We don't have to vote for swags
18:02:10 <nb> that's what i think
18:02:22 <nb> #topic ticket wanting citation for Fedora
18:02:32 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/93
18:03:47 <nb> I don't really understand what they want us to do
18:04:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Well in the academy
18:04:39 <nb> I didn't realize you had to set up something to cite something, when I have done papers in college you just use a standard format, MLA, APA, etc
18:05:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right
18:05:18 <nb> so what action does this require from Mindshare?
18:05:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> He want an standard (translatable) citation format
18:07:01 <nb> Ok
18:07:13 <nb> @bt0dotninja can we just ask him to come up with what he suggests, and we just say OK?
18:07:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Actually I want take this task
18:08:01 <nb> ok sounds good
18:08:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Cool
18:08:42 <nb> #action @bt0dotninja to take this ticket
18:08:48 <nb> #topic open floor
18:08:50 <nb> anything else?
18:08:52 <bexelbie> .hello bexelbie
18:08:53 <zodbot> bexelbie: Sorry, but you don't exist
18:08:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Not from me
18:08:56 <bexelbie> sorry I am late
18:08:59 <bexelbie> .hello bex
18:09:00 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
18:09:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Hi bex
18:10:23 <nb> hi bex!
18:10:40 <bexelbie> o/
18:11:29 <nb> bexelbie, we voted on SCALE, (well, I had already voted and bt0 already did), and x3mboy +1'ed it.  We talked a little about metrics
18:11:42 <nb> bexelbie, we don't have to vote just to send swag to an event do we? RE: pycon
18:11:49 <nb> and bt0 will take the citation ticket
18:12:19 <bexelbie> nb not really, we can treat it as a $150 event if that is enough swag for them, afaik
18:12:27 <bexelbie> so that's a few +1s for sanity checking
18:12:30 <bexelbie> and no -1s
18:12:36 <bexelbie> so yes, vote, but not a huge deal
18:12:38 <bexelbie> like an RP
18:13:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Ok, voting...
18:15:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Done
18:15:53 * nb +1 for pycon
18:16:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> +1
18:16:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Too
18:17:31 <nb> bexelbie, can you vote on SCALE?
18:18:24 <bexelbie> will do
18:19:04 <nb> anything else from anyone?
18:19:21 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Not from me
18:19:37 <nb> bexelbie, do we have a policy for events over $1000?
18:19:42 <nb> how long they need to stay open?
18:19:50 <nb> I know we just approved the <$1000 event policy
18:19:59 <bexelbie> I'd follow that guideline for now
18:20:12 <bexelbie> for scale we may be able to bump it up if we can get he other active members to just vote
18:20:19 <nb> yeah
18:20:38 <nb> design has not been active in our meetings or tickets
18:20:50 <nb> should we reach out to mleonova and ask her status?
18:20:59 <nb> or if they want to select a new rep?
18:21:15 <bexelbie> I encourage this
18:21:54 * nb will do so
18:21:54 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> That is very true
18:22:07 <nb> #action nb to ask mleonova her status as a mindshare committee member
18:23:18 <nb> anything else? if not i will endmeeting in a minute so I can go get lunch
18:24:16 <nb> #endmeeting