17:34:20 <nb> #startmeeting mindshare 17:34:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 20 17:34:20 2019 UTC. 17:34:20 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:34:20 <zodbot> The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:34:20 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:34:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:34:23 <nb> #topic Roll Call 17:34:27 <nb> .hello2 17:34:28 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net> 17:34:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Here :) 17:34:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy 17:36:10 <nb> #topic SCALE https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82 17:36:12 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82 17:36:25 <nb> so, mattdm brought up the issue of metrics 17:36:52 <nb> which is a good idea, but I think should be a separate ticket. Time is drawing close for SCALE and we need to make a decision on that event so the ambassadors can make hteir plans 17:37:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right 17:38:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Actually I vote a +1 for this ticket 17:38:25 <nb> and we had some good conversation in -ambassadors, and then bex made a reply in there.... metrics should not be a "you didn't meet the metric so you can't have the event next year" 17:38:46 <nb> but just an idead of "was this the right metric? was there something different this year? maybe we should do the event but change our approach some next year" 17:40:12 <nb> although sometimes we should stop doing events we have done in the past. In NA, we didn't have an actual table at OLF this year, we just sent some swag to one of the organizers 17:41:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm +1 to this ticket 17:42:20 <nb> #topic events 17:42:31 <nb> so what do people think about what I posted a minute ago? 17:42:57 <nb> also, I think something is to be said for connecting with our existing users/contributors 17:43:20 <nb> I don't know about SCALE (I have never been able to go) but at SELF, we almost always have someone at our booth talking to us 17:43:35 <nb> many of the people that stop by use Fedora but aren't a "contributor" 17:43:45 <nb> and a lot of times people come by and want us to help us get Fedora working on their computer 17:43:57 <nb> Stuff like that is hard to quantify, but I think is still a valuable use of our money 17:44:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> That's the most common use on events 17:44:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Make things work on there computers 17:44:55 <nb> It seems like the push now is to have some sort of metric as far as new users/contributors go. But my fear is that that is leaving out the part of connecting with the existing users 17:45:31 <nb> I think metrics are good, but I think when we establish metrics, we need to make sure people know that it isn't a black/white OH YOU FAILED THIS METRIC, YOU CANT DO THAT EVENT AGAIN 17:46:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> I understand 17:47:00 <nb> and, depending on the metric, they can be gamed 17:47:35 <nb> if metric is new fas accounts created, well, talk people into creating a FAS account even if they won't ever use it. Or give them swag if they do it or something. but is that really useful 17:48:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Also we need some metrics 17:48:43 <nb> yes 17:49:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> What about Fedora join help request / new FAS 17:49:34 * nb likes using badge claims 17:51:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> It's fine too but a ticket or a process inside the Fedora join will be a better indicator 17:52:47 <nb> I guess I should know this, but where is fedora join? 17:52:51 <nb> all i know of is #fedora-join IRC 17:54:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> @joinfedora 17:54:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Over telegram and pagure too 17:54:52 <nb> oh 17:55:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Is also just one idea 17:55:28 <nb> I think we should start simple. Like people who get a FAS account and get the badge 17:55:41 <nb> that by itself is hard to convince a lot of people to do 17:56:24 <nb> A lot of the people I talk to at events, they just want to use Fedora. They don't necessarily want to sign up for stuff, and make posts, etc 17:56:46 <nb> I've had decent luck asking them to get a FAS account (if they don't already have one) and get our event badge on badges 17:57:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Super 17:58:02 * nb looks at what tickets we have 17:59:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Pycon and the citation one 17:59:19 <nb> do we have to vote to send swag? 17:59:23 <nb> they aren't asking for money 17:59:38 * nb doesn't think swag requires a vote, but I don't know if we have ever discussed that 18:00:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> I think this fall under the RP policy , maybe ? 18:00:32 <nb> policy is not RP it is any $150 event, AFAIK 18:01:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Yeah ... 18:01:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> You are rit 18:01:32 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right 18:01:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> We don't have to vote for swags 18:02:10 <nb> that's what i think 18:02:22 <nb> #topic ticket wanting citation for Fedora 18:02:32 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/93 18:03:47 <nb> I don't really understand what they want us to do 18:04:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Well in the academy 18:04:39 <nb> I didn't realize you had to set up something to cite something, when I have done papers in college you just use a standard format, MLA, APA, etc 18:05:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Right 18:05:18 <nb> so what action does this require from Mindshare? 18:05:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> He want an standard (translatable) citation format 18:07:01 <nb> Ok 18:07:13 <nb> @bt0dotninja can we just ask him to come up with what he suggests, and we just say OK? 18:07:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Actually I want take this task 18:08:01 <nb> ok sounds good 18:08:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Cool 18:08:42 <nb> #action @bt0dotninja to take this ticket 18:08:48 <nb> #topic open floor 18:08:50 <nb> anything else? 18:08:52 <bexelbie> .hello bexelbie 18:08:53 <zodbot> bexelbie: Sorry, but you don't exist 18:08:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Not from me 18:08:56 <bexelbie> sorry I am late 18:08:59 <bexelbie> .hello bex 18:09:00 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com> 18:09:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Hi bex 18:10:23 <nb> hi bex! 18:10:40 <bexelbie> o/ 18:11:29 <nb> bexelbie, we voted on SCALE, (well, I had already voted and bt0 already did), and x3mboy +1'ed it. We talked a little about metrics 18:11:42 <nb> bexelbie, we don't have to vote just to send swag to an event do we? RE: pycon 18:11:49 <nb> and bt0 will take the citation ticket 18:12:19 <bexelbie> nb not really, we can treat it as a $150 event if that is enough swag for them, afaik 18:12:27 <bexelbie> so that's a few +1s for sanity checking 18:12:30 <bexelbie> and no -1s 18:12:36 <bexelbie> so yes, vote, but not a huge deal 18:12:38 <bexelbie> like an RP 18:13:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Ok, voting... 18:15:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Done 18:15:53 * nb +1 for pycon 18:16:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> +1 18:16:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Too 18:17:31 <nb> bexelbie, can you vote on SCALE? 18:18:24 <bexelbie> will do 18:19:04 <nb> anything else from anyone? 18:19:21 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> Not from me 18:19:37 <nb> bexelbie, do we have a policy for events over $1000? 18:19:42 <nb> how long they need to stay open? 18:19:50 <nb> I know we just approved the <$1000 event policy 18:19:59 <bexelbie> I'd follow that guideline for now 18:20:12 <bexelbie> for scale we may be able to bump it up if we can get he other active members to just vote 18:20:19 <nb> yeah 18:20:38 <nb> design has not been active in our meetings or tickets 18:20:50 <nb> should we reach out to mleonova and ask her status? 18:20:59 <nb> or if they want to select a new rep? 18:21:15 <bexelbie> I encourage this 18:21:54 * nb will do so 18:21:54 <tg-fedmindshare> <bt0dotninja> That is very true 18:22:07 <nb> #action nb to ask mleonova her status as a mindshare committee member 18:23:18 <nb> anything else? if not i will endmeeting in a minute so I can go get lunch 18:24:16 <nb> #endmeeting