17:34:34 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare meeting 17:34:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 5 17:34:34 2020 UTC. 17:34:34 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:34:34 <zodbot> The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:34:34 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:34:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare_meeting' 17:35:59 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/180 17:36:28 <riecatnor> looks like we have enough +1's, I will comment that it is approved 17:36:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> This is approved I guess 17:36:41 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> +1 17:37:07 <bt0> +1 too 17:37:35 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/179 17:38:07 <riecatnor> nnothing to do here 17:38:34 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/178 17:38:40 <riecatnor> triaging 178 17:38:51 <nb> Hello! 17:39:33 <riecatnor> hiya nb ! 17:39:37 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/176 17:40:14 <bt0> we need tag it as "needs event report" 17:40:22 <riecatnor> bt0 tagged :) 17:40:31 <nb> riecatnor, there's a problem with our former UPS account for NA 17:40:42 <nb> apparently there's an outstanding bill of ~$60 that is in collections 17:41:00 <nb> because it used to be billed to Andrew Ward's community card, but that card was shut off when he resigned 17:41:18 <riecatnor> nb, oh, I see. Do you have some additional info on the account? 17:41:30 <nb> he got a phone call from UPS and told them to call me, but i don't intend to pay it 17:41:48 <nb> riecatnor, so yeah, it needs someone to call UPS to pay, since now it doesn't show up on the website since they sent it to their collections people 17:41:53 <nb> riecatnor, i'll pm you in a bit 17:41:57 <nb> with contact info 17:41:59 <riecatnor> Ok, sounds good 17:42:04 <riecatnor> I will deal with it 17:42:12 <bt0> cool 17:43:04 <riecatnor> Back to ticket 176. I think this is blocking on myself and Sumantro, both of us have been traveling for two weeks 17:43:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> Yes and I think I will end it by tomorrow at least a draft 17:44:34 <bt0> awesome 17:44:46 <riecatnor> To be upfront, probably won't get to this until next week. I am taking some time to rest after my travels 17:45:15 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/169 17:46:22 <riecatnor> The request for swag seems good to me.. the request for ribbons is the lanyard printed with Fedora on it correct? 17:46:38 <nb> no, ribbons to go below the badge i believe 17:46:52 <nb> stuff like https://www.namebadgeproductions.com/product/4646/3-stick-n-stack-horizontal-ribbons?gclid=Cj0KCQiA7OnxBRCNARIsAIW53B95bmt4FpJMF1zn1o-ATGIqlk2wv1E6Zjmf6ylp4beFfIsCfUqjay0aAtXTEALw_wcB 17:47:07 <nb> but it's hard to get a good one made with Fedora, since most I've seen are 1-color 17:47:15 <nb> but we could do ribbons with the Fedora wordmark I suppose 17:48:24 <riecatnor> Ahhh, I see. Ok, that is doable. Not sure how the design aspect will work out, but I am +1 to this. This seems to be a somewhat common request, so I will get extras printed as well. How does that sound to everyone? 17:48:36 <nb> +1 17:48:43 <bt0> yes, but doing new swag with the current logo don't sounds good...just one shot particular event ribbon is fine 17:48:55 <nb> bt0, we have no date currently for new logo 17:49:04 <nb> so I think we should keep going with the present logo 17:49:06 <bt0> :( 17:49:09 <riecatnor> bt0 as much as we all want the new logo, it will take some time for it to be usable 17:49:13 <bt0> ok, +1 17:49:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> +1 17:49:20 <riecatnor> it is still in some development, afaik 17:49:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> any date for the new logo or is open? 17:49:48 <riecatnor> Plus, I know the swag will not go to waste 17:49:57 <riecatnor> Still open at this time 17:50:03 <nb> @louzaoh it's waiting on Legal 17:50:08 <nb> from the last thing I saw 17:50:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> ohh thx 17:52:20 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/166 17:52:30 <riecatnor> triaging 166 to needs event report 17:53:14 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/165 17:53:22 <riecatnor> triaging 165 to needs event report 17:53:55 <riecatnor> and, we are all caught up on tickets for now :) 17:54:06 <bt0> :) 17:54:18 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> nice :) 17:54:19 <riecatnor> Open floor for discussion 17:57:05 <riecatnor> I have something to bring up. Currently there are no term limits or policies regarding membership on the Mindshare committee. I think this is something we need to address 17:59:54 <riecatnor> I believe we need to establish some guidelines for teams to readdress their representatives, and choose someone new. This is useful to get new perspective, to give some folks a break from the responsibility and lets them focus on other things. Also allows for those folks who are not so active to step down and let others who are more available have a voice. 18:00:32 * nb doesn't think term limits are good 18:00:38 <nb> no other area of Fedora has them 18:00:58 <nb> new perspective is good, but continuity and experience are also good 18:01:27 * nb wonders if it would be good to make more elected representatives and less team seats, since we've had difficulty in the past filling some of the team seats 18:02:17 <riecatnor> I guess there is some subtle difference between term limits and election.. I don't mean people couldn't stay if it is a good fit, I more meant, if it is not working we need to give other folks a shot 18:02:22 <nb> oh ok 18:02:39 <riecatnor> You are right tho, term limit is not the right phrase :) 18:03:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> I concur 18:03:32 <riecatnor> the council does it like this: Elections are held twice a year, in concert with the joint Fedora election cycle. One seat is selected at each election, and each position has a two-election (approximately one year) term. 18:05:42 <riecatnor> Do we feel that policy would also work for Mindshare? Or does it need adjustment? 18:06:23 <nb> isn't that how the elected seats already are? 18:06:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> I think nb was also inclined towards elections, am I right m 18:07:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> That's 2 only but there are folks who haven't showed up in meetings for sometime and we need to re establish contact and context with them .. 18:07:54 <nb> oh ok 18:08:52 * nb knows relrod is going to be having some changes in his job and not sure if he is interested in continuing to be on mindshare 18:09:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> So I guess it's okay to say, that we might need to ask the mindshare to express individual interest in being a part of the team or we can re elect someone there .. maybe ? Wdyt? 18:09:08 <nb> and not sure about bex as docs representative since he is not fcaic 18:09:28 <relrod_cld> nb: I plan to stay on mindshare yes 18:09:33 <nb> relrod_cld, ok 18:09:44 <riecatnor> also, if there is a policy surrounding re-election for mindshare, I don't see it on the docs page unless I am going blind 18:09:56 <nb> @sumantro93 I think it is definitely a good idea 18:10:05 <nb> to ask people if they are still interested 18:10:08 <riecatnor> or crazy lol. two weeks of travel making me a little loopy 18:10:36 <nb> riecatnor, you are right, it appears we don't have a policy on the docs page WRT the elected seats 18:10:47 <nb> but there has been elections following the same format as the council 18:11:02 <nb> so we are doing it, it just hasn't been written up on the site 18:11:08 <riecatnor> Ok, got it. 18:11:24 <riecatnor> What about those that say that they want to stay involved but don't show up to meetings or give input 18:11:33 <nb> the team seats have been left up to the teams to decide their process. I think commops does have some sort of regular re-appointment process 18:11:43 <nb> riecatnor, good question 18:12:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> agree with this, we need commiment 18:12:08 <riecatnor> what do we accept as an acceptable amount of activity 18:12:44 * nb needs to increase his activity 18:14:20 <riecatnor> I think I will open a ticket on Mindshare to outline the tasks and things to be discussed 18:14:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> That will be great 18:14:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> +1 18:15:17 <riecatnor> I would ask that you all take some time to think over the topic and provide some feedback there 18:15:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> 🆗 18:16:04 <riecatnor> After we have a chance to get our feedback out, do you think we should take the conversation to a more public platform? For example, the community blog? 18:16:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> or discusion.fp.o? 18:17:01 * nb thinks a mailing list is better 18:17:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> Yes the blog and the relevant MLs 18:17:06 <nb> comm blog or mailing list 18:17:16 * nb is -1 to discussion.fpo, it's just one more place that peoplke have to check 18:17:20 <riecatnor> which mailing lists do we feel are relevant 18:18:58 <nb> ambassadors and mindshare i guess? 18:19:12 <riecatnor> commops 18:19:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> All the teams which represent at mindshare 18:19:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <sumantro93> Are the relevant once 18:19:27 <riecatnor> good point sumantro93 18:19:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> Also fedor join sig , there are doing a great jobs capturing newcomers 18:20:56 <riecatnor> louzaoh, agreed 18:21:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <louzaoh> great :) 18:22:22 <riecatnor> Ok, I am writing up the ticket now 18:22:42 <riecatnor> Looking forward to more detailed feedback from everyone :) 18:23:16 * nb would like to discuss 145 18:23:21 <nb> since we have several people here 18:23:29 <riecatnor> nb, ok please send link 18:23:34 <nb> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/145 18:24:13 <nb> So, I'm really conflicted about this ticket. 18:24:42 <nb> On one hand, I think, what's the point of ambassadors anymore, we have the "advocates process" 18:25:00 <nb> I think we are on the right track of making it simpler to get funding 18:25:37 <nb> I think a lot of it is the communication 18:26:11 <riecatnor> This ticket is very long, and I would like to read it carefully before giving too much feedback. For those who are familiar, please feel free of course :) 18:26:21 <nb> I don't want to totally throw the ambassadors program out the window, so to speak 18:26:37 <nb> but yet, what is the relevance anymore, since you don't have to be an ambassador to hold an event 18:27:45 <riecatnor> Without having a full depth of knowledge I would say that dissolving ambassadors will cause some backlash and potential conflict 18:28:00 <riecatnor> without even** 18:28:21 <nb> I like bex's proposal 18:28:22 <nb> Proposed: Ambassadors is being worked on by folks passionate about it. We will close our ambassador tickets and give those folks space to rebuild/re-energize the program. Mindshare will continue to approve resource requests and make decisions where asked. This will look like the following: a) We will eliminate the use of ambassador and advocate language in our policies so that we don't create artificial conflict. We administer resources 18:28:22 <nb> and connect teams. We don't run advocacy; b) We will retire one ambasssador seat on Mindshare effective with the F31 release. By the F32 release we need a new process proposed for electing the remaining ambassador seat, otherwise it will be replaced. 18:29:43 <nb> which seems about what we have done, except i dont think we have ever voted on that 18:30:07 <nb> the whole "advocates" title never really took off, so eliminating it won't hurt 18:30:32 <riecatnor> I am curious who in ambassadors is working on it 18:31:40 * nb intends to work on it but has not done so yet 18:32:00 <nb> and i think tatica, steelaworkn, and several others have expressed interest 18:32:04 <riecatnor> I am being called into another meeting 18:32:06 <nb> we really need someone to drive the project 18:32:22 <nb> riecatnor, ok, we can bring it up other time 18:32:25 <riecatnor> Did bex put that proposal in ticket 145 18:32:29 <nb> riecatnor, yes, he did 18:32:41 <riecatnor> Ok, I will take some time to review. I would ask that others do as well 18:32:59 <riecatnor> We can revisit next week :) 18:35:03 <riecatnor> Thanks everybody! 18:35:07 <riecatnor> I am going to end the meeting for today 18:35:12 <riecatnor> #endmeeting