17:32:39 <bt0> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare (2020-06-17)
17:32:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 17 17:32:39 2020 UTC.
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17:32:39 <bt0> #meetingname Mindshare
17:32:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare'
17:32:39 <bt0> #chair bt0 codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul
17:32:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul tatica x3mboy
17:33:00 <bt0> #topic Agenda
17:33:00 <bt0> #info (1) Roll call / Q&A
17:33:00 <bt0> #info (2) Announcements
17:33:00 <bt0> #info (3) Welcome tatica @tatica
17:33:00 <bt0> #info (4) Tickets
17:33:00 <bt0> #info (5) Open floor
17:33:22 <bt0> #topic Roll Call / Q&A
17:33:39 * siddharthvipul is here :)
17:33:47 * bt0 too
17:33:56 * hhlp too
17:34:52 * jwf waves
17:34:52 <bt0> super
17:35:22 <bt0> #topic Announcements
17:35:31 * nasirhm waves
17:35:35 <bt0> #info Orphaned packages seeking maintainers
17:35:36 <bt0> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/RBS7L7LTKRINWPNA7ZX2PKILABK7EKJB/
17:35:46 <bt0> #info The GNOME Community Engagement Challenge is accepting applications through 1 July.
17:35:46 <bt0> #link https://www.gnome.org/challenge/
17:35:56 <bt0> #info The Modularity team published the results of the Modularity survey
17:35:57 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-survey-results/
17:36:08 <bt0> (this is old but good to read)
17:36:16 <jwf> It was a good read
17:36:18 <bt0> #info The Fedora Council is considering a proposal on the process of withdrawing sponsorship from events.
17:36:18 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/council-policy-proposal-withdrawing-support-from-events/
17:36:34 <bt0> #info The Fedora 32 election results are now available.
17:36:34 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-32-elections-results/
17:37:25 <bt0> Thanks to bcotton++ for his amazing work in the weekly reports
17:38:05 <bt0> #topic Welcome tatica @tatica
17:38:20 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, welcome :)
17:38:24 <bt0> #info tatica win the elections Welcome @tatica !!!
17:38:34 <nasirhm> Welcome to Mindshare @tatica
17:38:37 <jwf> Welcome tatica++ and a warm thank-you to @sumantro93 for his time and contributions :)
17:38:47 <hhlp> Welcome to the cloud @tatica
17:39:06 <bt0> I highly appreciate sumantrom's work on Mindshare
17:39:21 <bt0> thanks sumantrom :)
17:39:33 <nasirhm> Thank you sumantro for your awesome contributions within Mindshare and Summer Coding things.
17:40:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> thank you al!
17:40:25 <bt0> Hi tatica :)
17:40:36 <bt0> Some words?
17:40:42 <bt0> any doubts?
17:40:44 <nasirhm> Heya @tatica :)
17:42:28 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> none yet. lets start :)
17:43:07 <bt0> ok
17:43:16 <bt0> #topic Tickets
17:43:25 <bt0> #info Update Mindshare Pagure group
17:43:39 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/222
17:43:58 <bt0> this is one easy one
17:44:09 <siddharthvipul> bt0: yeah, I guess I am to be added there as well
17:44:24 <bt0> let me check the status
17:44:43 <siddharthvipul> .members mindshare
17:44:44 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: Members of mindshare: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc @riecatnor sumantrom x3mboy
17:45:04 <siddharthvipul> seems just riecatnor can do it
17:45:32 <bt0> I forgot that command :) thank vipul
17:45:47 <siddharthvipul> :)
17:47:06 <bt0> ok next one
17:47:29 <bt0> #info New Mindshare rep to Fedora Council needed
17:47:29 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/221
17:48:21 <bt0> anyone is volunteer?
17:48:41 <siddharthvipul> do we have any volunteer for this? I just want to emphasis that this would be a rather active work. Since we are in a similar issue where the communication was the issue. would be good to ensure that whoever it is.. will attend council meetings and also do the communication here
17:49:14 <bt0> it's right
17:49:25 <siddharthvipul> I was thinking if we need 2 reps in council (since riecatnor is already one) but I guess it would be putting more work on her.. so if we are to select one.. we better think of that :)
17:50:40 <bt0> ok, we need comment in the ticket our doubts and ideas, is more easy
17:50:48 <bt0> to track
17:50:55 <siddharthvipul> do we have any written responsibilities?
17:51:03 <nasirhm> I agree.
17:51:58 <jwf> siddharthvipul: If not, it is a great opportunity to begin writing them :)
17:52:08 <bt0> about our representation on Council? I don't know but if we don't we need document it
17:52:14 <bt0> sure :)
17:52:28 <siddharthvipul> jwf: fair.. I will see if I can think of roles that makes sense for mindshare rep in council
17:52:40 <nasirhm> Having the responsibilities documented can help in the future too.
17:52:40 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I could help with it (documenting), that would be a good way for me to know how everything works
17:52:42 <siddharthvipul> I can also discuss with Sumantro from his experience to see what he sees of it
17:52:57 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, okay if I ping you separately and we can hack on it?
17:53:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> sure
17:53:04 <siddharthvipul> # later
17:53:10 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, great
17:53:15 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul++ for asking with sumantro to share his experience on it :)
17:53:25 <jwf> We could use some of this here :) https://devrel.net/developer-experience/an-introduction-to-friction-logging
17:53:46 <jwf> Except replace "tools" with "the experience of Mindshare" :P
17:53:49 <siddharthvipul> jwf: starred.. :D thank you kind sir.. I am sure that will make life easier
17:54:21 <bt0> tatica++
17:54:21 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for tatica changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:55:17 <siddharthvipul> oh btw @tatica, I forgot to say.. looking forward to your involvement in ambassadors revamp program (context from your mindshare interview).. I am sure you will be amazing
17:55:18 <nasirhm> tatica++ :)
17:55:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> hope so! lot of preasure there :)
17:56:01 <siddharthvipul> @tatica.. oh of course not.. not like there is a fire or something ;) :P
17:56:26 <bt0> the revamp ticket is the next one
17:56:34 <siddharthvipul> smooth transaction
17:57:00 <bt0> next ticket00?
17:57:08 <siddharthvipul> bt0: please :)
17:57:35 <hhlp> go ahead bt0...
17:57:50 <bt0> #info Fedora Ambassadors Revamp 2020 2.0
17:57:50 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/218
17:57:50 <bt0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Revamp_2020
17:58:18 <jwf> We are all in that revamp together :) I am confident in folks here to pull it off.
17:58:29 <siddharthvipul> so I guess we are at the end of timeline where we can consider this a go?
17:59:11 <bt0> ok, the wiki has the version with the Join sig (now just fedora-join) comments and yes we have a deadline
17:59:24 <bt0> but i don't remember it
17:59:27 <bt0> :P
17:59:31 <bt0> let me search
17:59:44 <siddharthvipul> bt0: I thought it was this meeting.. but yeah, good idea to confirm it
18:00:19 <bt0> :(
18:00:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I wasn't sure there was a deadline
18:01:01 <bt0> yeah - Publish the proposal on June 3rd in a Mindshare Ticket and then send it out to various mailing lists. Gather community feedback over the period of two weeks until June 17th
18:01:01 <nasirhm> I believe it's in the past meeting.
18:01:12 <bt0> today
18:01:42 <bt0> Make adjustments to the plan for a week and shoot for a start day of work for the new program on June 24th.
18:02:09 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, we timeboxed it(iirc) so that we can plan ahead and look to creating the "task force" :)
18:02:16 <siddharthvipul> I think** important to add this
18:02:33 <bt0> I see feedback but not enough I think
18:03:56 <bt0> Do you think than we have enough feedback from the community to proceed?
18:04:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> oh, you mean deadline for the proposal! fantastic then
18:04:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I think there has been plenty of feedback
18:04:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I was part of the feedback before being mindshare :D
18:05:10 <siddharthvipul> hehe, yeah!
18:05:21 <siddharthvipul> no fire means all good? or I am to naive to assume that?
18:05:55 <bt0> cool, so we have a week to make adjustments (if any) to the plan
18:06:55 <nasirhm> bt0: A week sounds good and then moving it to action.
18:08:06 <bt0> so the one million question, What adjustments we need to do?
18:08:30 <bt0> *one million dolars
18:08:53 <siddharthvipul> I think the only issue was join part, already fixed.. I am not sure if waiting for the fix (1 more week) is needed.. but what's needed is our FCAIC to see the next step haha
18:09:18 <bt0> right
18:10:48 <bt0> Do you have another ticket than you want to discuss?
18:10:55 <bt0> hi 3xmboy :)
18:11:16 * nasirhm waves to x3mboy
18:11:19 <x3mboy> .hello2
18:11:19 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
18:11:23 <x3mboy> Sorry I'm late
18:11:27 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: howdy :D
18:13:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> does the hello works through the bridge?
18:13:59 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, unfortunately not
18:14:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> oka
18:14:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> .hello test in case I am missing something
18:14:27 <nasirhm> .hello tatica
18:14:27 <zodbot> nasirhm: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com>
18:14:38 <siddharthvipul> yeah, it doesn't work across bridge
18:14:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> pure love! I was opening xirc :D
18:14:43 <nasirhm> here @tatica :)
18:14:55 <bt0> :)
18:17:07 <x3mboy> Well, it looks like the discussed tickets doesn't require my attention RN
18:17:32 <x3mboy> So I will continue thinking about the Ambassadors and reading everything
18:18:01 <bt0> ok, please share us your ideas in the ticket :)
18:18:10 <bt0> openfloor?
18:19:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> Just wanted to say that I'm really thankfull for the trust, and will try as always to do my best
18:19:14 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> team work rox
18:19:23 <siddharthvipul> O:)
18:19:46 <nasirhm> @T​atica: :)
18:20:50 <bt0> <3 :)
18:21:13 <x3mboy> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/221#comment-658855
18:21:31 <x3mboy> Also, @Tatica welcome ma'm
18:22:32 <bt0> Cool
18:22:46 <bt0> #topic openfloor
18:23:09 <bt0> any topic for the openfloor?
18:24:20 <x3mboy> There is a call in D&I to Fedora Leadership to make a statement
18:24:47 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: yes, thank you
18:24:54 <siddharthvipul> diversity seat in council needs some attention
18:25:27 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/135
18:25:50 <siddharthvipul> oh wrong point..
18:25:57 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: thank you for this
18:26:34 <x3mboy> So, I think we should open a ticket to brainstorm ideas about it
18:26:48 <bt0> cool
18:27:38 <x3mboy> I became aware that my position about racism is weird. I'm trying to understand several POVs. For me, everything that divide people into gropus can be consider racism
18:28:39 <x3mboy> I'm also aware that All live matters is a political phrase, but in the strict sense of the words, it makes more sense for me. Not only BLM, but every human being matters
18:29:05 <x3mboy> So, I'm not equiped to involve myself into this, but we definitely need to address it
18:29:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> there has been a nice discussion about it at the diversity group
18:30:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> once I finish my work shift I will jump on the ticket and comment.
18:30:14 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> goes quite close to what @x3mboy says about it
18:30:45 <bt0> I'm more like the princess bubblegum "People get built different. We don't need to figure it out, we just need to respect it."
18:31:16 <x3mboy> @Tatica Do you think it makes sense to open a ticket into mindshare to discuss it? Or should we just jump into the D&I ticket
18:32:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I do believe is still a Diversity task, that once gets to a consensus can be reenforced by mindshare
18:32:34 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: ticket to discuss a ticket doesn't make too much sense to me.. but whatever you all think :)
18:32:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> but, isn't this type of things the reason why we have a diversity team?
18:33:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> if not, then we are overtaking their tasks, they need to do their job
18:33:07 <nasirhm> ++ for discussing it in the diversity ticket.
18:33:12 <bt0> I'm think in more in the D&I umbrella and you just point us to the ticket
18:33:21 <bt0> that is fine
18:33:52 <x3mboy> Sure, but my point is that in the ticket their are calling to "Fedora Leadership" (I just knew that was a thing and we are part of it), that's what I though about an internal ticket to settle our position
18:34:15 <x3mboy> Nothing prevent us as individuals to go to the D&I ticket and comment
18:34:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> awareness isn't bad. it's nice to see the ticket and leave feedback there. that's what mindshare should do
18:35:04 <x3mboy> Agree
18:35:06 <bt0> right
18:35:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> is not like "their tickets and ours", we are a team, and we all should comment when people asks opinions
18:35:48 <siddharthvipul> if fedora releases a statement, won't it from all mindshare, council, D&I etc? I don't see this as mindshare and D&I thing separately
18:35:55 <siddharthvipul> so might as well continue on 1 ticket?
18:36:13 <bt0> +1
18:36:16 <x3mboy> +1
18:36:18 <hhlp> +1
18:36:26 <nasirhm> +1
18:36:27 <bt0> cool
18:36:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> I'm actually commenting at the ticket, do you want me to add that part?
18:36:44 <x3mboy> So, please all, let's try to do our work and read and comment the ticket
18:36:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> This might be really important —> @siddharthvipul if fedora releases a statement, won't it from all mindshare, council, D&I etc? I don't see this as mindshare and D&I thing separately
18:37:29 <x3mboy> I think you can comment that we took the point in the Mindshare Committee meeting and we should add our opinions there
18:38:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> thank you
18:38:52 <siddharthvipul> mindshare stands with #BLM <- anything other than this is needed?
18:39:09 <siddharthvipul> I mean I don't mean to take everyone's speech but I don't see anyone questioning this statement
18:40:03 <siddharthvipul> once council, fesco and mindshare all agree to this, D&I can work on the blog/statement on social media etc what they see apt
18:40:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> Saddly, I disagree. Things are never one-sided <siddharthvipul> mindshare stands with #BLM <- anything other than this is needed?
18:40:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> as I stated at the diversity channel, personally I'm in favor of protesting for BLM rights, but I'm against the wave of violence that has started.
18:41:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> but again, that's a very personal opinion on that matter
18:42:23 * nb looks
18:42:41 * bt0 waves nb
18:42:57 * nasirhm wave to nb
18:43:00 <bt0> T.T.. Can I close the meeting? (We ran out of time)
18:43:15 <hhlp> please...
18:43:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <T​atica> sure
18:43:33 <nasirhm> Have a Good Day/Night Guys.
18:43:38 <bt0> #endmeeting