17:27:42 #startmeeting Mindshare 17:27:42 Meeting started Wed Jul 15 17:27:42 2020 UTC. 17:27:42 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:27:42 The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:27:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:27:42 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:27:42 #meetingname Mindshare 17:27:42 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:27:42 #chair bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica 17:27:42 #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-mindshare 17:27:42 Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor tatica x3mboy 17:27:42 #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 17:27:43 #topic Hello 17:27:54 * siddharthvipul is present 17:28:08 .fasinfo bt0dotninja 17:28:11 bt0: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active 17:28:13 .fasinfo riecatnor 17:28:13 bt0: Approved Groups: marketing cla_fpca cla_done dotnet-team ambassadors @fedora-mx +fedora-join mindshare +ask-fedora +summer-coding +advocates packager fedorabugs neuro-sig @commops 17:28:14 * bt0 is here 17:28:16 riecatnor: User: riecatnor, Name: None, email: mnordin@redhat.com, Creation: 2013-10-18, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 17:28:19 riecatnor: Approved Groups: gitbadges cla_fpca cla_done +designteam ask-fedora @council @mindshare @commops @community-blog @diversity-team gitfossrit @marketing @fedora-socialmedia wikiedit @summer-coding sysadmin sysadmin-badges advocates 17:28:53 riecatnor: Hello, How're you doing ? 17:28:58 just curious, do we have Sumantro or Mariana here?? 17:29:11 can someone tag them on the telegram side? 17:29:25 @sumantro93 17:29:31 @marianaballa 17:29:42 you both are summoned :P 17:30:16 I'm doing good, How're you ? 17:30:29 Good, nasirhm 17:30:44 .ping 17:30:44 pong 17:30:53 🙋‍♀ 17:31:14 I'm here 17:31:26 ahhh, Hello!! 17:31:48 Hello @SiddharthVipul @riecatnor !! 17:31:58 I was thinking since this was a last minute invite, we could discuss the revamp first 17:32:00 Hello everyone :) 17:32:11 make sure we are not taking too much time today : 17:32:13 :) 17:32:14 Hi 17:32:16 hold on, I am trying to teach my grandfather how to take screenshots 17:32:19 new phone ahm 17:32:20 lol 17:32:24 good luck. 17:32:39 :) 17:33:01 thank you Sumantro and Mariana for agreeing to lead the revamp program :) 17:33:03 #topic community outreach task force 17:33:09 https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/226 17:33:28 Well, siddharthvipul, I did want to confirm that synchronously :D 17:33:59 .ping 17:33:59 pong 17:34:00 :V hehe.. following you from now :P 17:34:01 and give a chance for Sumantro & Mariana to ask some questions as well before they fully agree to that 17:34:15 .hello nasirhm 17:34:16 nasirhm35: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' 17:34:34 @marianaballa Hi! 17:34:39 @sumantro93 Hey bro! 17:34:47 Hey sumantro 17:35:09 hii nasirhm35 x3mboy! 17:35:25 hi 17:35:26 So, my clever, creative, confident, contributers, Sumantro & Mariana, any questions for us? Any thoughts? 17:36:19 riecatnor, too many words with Cs 17:36:28 well that was my goal :P 17:36:58 ComMuNitY 17:37:00 I want to make sure that you both feel you have an avenue here to bring any issues with the revamp, any feelings of burnout, or being overworked, any blockers, or negative/stop energy. 17:37:30 Is there a plan for now how this is going to work or we will shape a plan now? 17:37:41 I read up the document and the goal is clear. I want to ask, will we use Roby Ducks seat in the process of this revamp? 17:38:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Revamp_2020 17:38:21 @marianaballa, The plan is there, but many details need to be added. 17:38:35 Also, by when are we getting Diversity team's GO with survey ? or should we initiate them with D&I team? 17:39:17 Each task will need guidance and planning with the team involved. My vision for the work you will be doing is basically project management to an extent. Organizing, coordinating, communicating, planning, etc. 17:39:45 And you know, reminding people to do things :D 17:39:57 That's the harder part 17:40:04 To make the wheel to roll 17:40:05 :D 17:40:39 Sumantro, I am wondering what you think about the mindshare seat? Because I have put here one seat for commops, one for ambassadors 17:40:43 But I think I speak in the name of the while committee when I say that we trust you will do a great job 17:40:53 x3mboy, absolutely agreed! 17:41:11 @x3mboy We will all do it together :D 17:42:25 Do we need two for ambassadors? I kinda do not think so at this point, but if it seemed to be necessary, I see no problem in changing that later on 17:43:04 riecatnor: I say yes! while nb is great, I don't see him having enough time to devote to the seat 17:43:12 also, hey nb :) 17:43:34 so nb can be the technical side of seat, we need one who can also take the other aspect 17:43:35 Hey nb o/ 17:43:45 I am curious, how does the ambassador rep get chosen >.< 17:43:46 Sounds good to me 17:43:46 say leading this initiative or team 17:43:48 maybe I should know this, oops 17:44:21 it's an election seat 17:44:25 In the beginning all was darkness and dust, but then the light come to us 17:44:49 riecatnor, we have folks and a lot of timezone to cover , if its just one person. Also the system doesnt become failsafe, in case the one seat holder is unavailable for a longer duration 17:44:51 And we saw that there was "FAMA" and the Ambassadors got representation! 17:45:09 And the Light bright on us strongly 17:45:12 I see. 17:45:14 And it was good! 17:45:28 TBH, the idea was or taking them from FAMA or FAmSCO 17:45:33 But, then why don't we have two for each rep? 17:45:58 But then we understood that we were replacing FAmSCO 17:46:10 do we need more? 17:46:30 Bt0, my point is why do we need two for ambassadors, when every team has the same issue of timezones and work to do 17:47:05 I have a similar question as riecatnor about two seats. 17:47:20 Because the robyduck seat was temporary 17:47:38 Since he was one of the main pushers in the creation of the committee 17:47:49 That's the extend of my memory 17:47:57 @x3mboy not exactly 17:48:03 robyduck and I were because we were FAMA 17:48:20 and I suppose I still am FAMA, although most of FAMA's duties have been delegated to the mentors 17:48:29 I guess I am trying to understand what is the point of taking two peoples energy to come to this meeting and deal with all things mindshare is doing. Why wouldnt we want them working directly on ambassador things? 17:49:04 with the current revamp, I will say having 2 won't hurt. But I really don't have a strong opinion. One is fine if they are looking in the revamp program that happens to be the focus of ambassador stuff right now :) 17:49:33 riecatnor, lets move with one and if in any case, we need another.. we will see then... 17:49:51 TBH, I always though that we should have 4 Ambys, not 2 17:49:52 sure 17:50:05 x3mboy, why is that? curious :) 17:50:14 I think the idea behind having 2 was because ambassadors was originally a big part of what mindshare does 17:50:18 NA, Latam, EMEA, and APAC 17:50:33 sumantro, ok. that seems good, please do come to us if you feel more are necessary 17:50:50 The problems are/were different by region, and with 1 rep per region we should have focus on those problems 17:50:51 Ah, I see 17:51:07 umm 17:51:22 When I was first invited to Mindshare, the main problem was, and still is, ambassadors 17:51:28 That is something that should be done in Ambassador meetings moving forward, the one rep that comes here should inform us succinctly 17:51:32 @x3mboy I think that's the reason we've had FAMsCO and FAMA 17:51:36 But not going there again, let's move 17:51:54 nasirhm35 FAMA was just the clerical tasks of ambassadors 17:52:07 not an decision making body 17:52:19 usually FAMA was just one person until robyduck and I took over 17:52:29 nasirhm35, sure, but FAmSCO is Mindshare now, and FAMA is in the mentorship side, so... 17:52:31 Oops, Thanks for specifying nb 17:53:05 riecatnor, affirmative. 17:53:21 Sumantro, :) 17:53:29 Sumantro, to answer your question re: survey 17:53:29 one last thing , any specific deadlines on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Revamp_2020#Survey_and_Organize_Findings 17:53:30 riecatnor: sounds like a great idea 17:53:42 riecatnor, sure. Now that we have a plan, it makes more sense, and I agree 17:54:06 Not to waste energy from more contributors beyond the one that we really needs 17:54:10 Please initiate that with the D&I team as a ticket 17:54:31 The question I wrote should be the basis 17:54:46 In fact, we could call that a poll 17:55:16 riecatnor, do we have any D&I rep on mindshare? someone who is working closely with D&I and can guide us and advice? 17:55:32 That is going to be me :) 17:55:35 sumantro, no 17:55:46 They point to the Council, when we ask them to join 17:56:12 They are working on some revitalization, and I will be attending their meetings 17:56:26 A very important point about the survey 17:56:37 It cannot ask personal identifying information 17:57:03 riecatnor, are we sure? 17:57:06 so, it can have as many questions about peoples thoughts on ambassadors/outreach/fedora\\ past, present, future 17:57:20 sure of what? 17:57:29 Of the personal identification 17:57:48 We should at least ask about the FAS ID, to prevent spamming in the survey/poll 17:58:03 riecatnor++ for not asking personaly identifying information as previously that blocked the survey. 17:58:35 x3mboy, I think we need to make an option for anonymity 17:58:46 people can offer that if desired 17:58:53 @x3mboy : For that we would have to get a heads up from Legal but I would suggest the option one. 17:59:06 How about keeping the FAS ID as an optional field 17:59:22 nasirhm35: x3mboy is not asking any personal info per say, he is recommending FAS id 17:59:47 riecatnor, can we set a 2 week followup on the survey by FCAIC and the taskforce lead and D&I team. This will help us understand, how they want to firm up the details and help get CommOps some data for researching interviews? 17:59:56 I'm ok with no asking, it's just that we deal a lot with spam that I'm like always on guard to prevent it 18:00:22 Recently, when I open the ticket for a CommOps internal election for the Mindshare seat, bcotton tell me we can use https://elections.fedoraproject.org 18:00:23 x3mboy, it is a good point 18:00:48 I mean more along the lines of, we can't ask folks country of origin/sexual orientation/race/etc 18:01:03 @mariana, you are my co-lead .. do you think its fair to ask D&I team to give us a heads up every 2 weeks about how the things are moving? 18:01:04 FAS id option seems natural. 18:01:36 coff coff 18:01:37 https://elections.fedoraproject.org 18:02:10 that give us many advantages 18:02:24 I don't think elections is designed for a survey 18:02:40 Me neither 18:02:44 siddharthvipul, weren't we just discussing OS survey tool? 18:03:13 Hmm, At D&I we were discussing about the platform earlier, It was suggested to use G Forms or ask infra to host a OS Survey platform like Limesurvey. 18:03:15 bt0 nah elections app isnt made for that kinda cutting 18:03:16 Sumantro, as for your timeline, seems ok. 18:03:20 riecatnor: we did.. after looking around, I liked limesurvey 18:03:30 nasirhm35 communishift is still shut down 18:03:41 nasirhm35 I think all infra would be willing to do is to give you an AWS instance 18:03:55 and you host it yourself. Infra is very reluctant to take on new apps 18:04:06 nasirhm35: you will get a very sharp eye looking at you if you ask infra to host anything now lol (unless you want to do it in communishift) 18:04:16 siddharthvipul well, we can give out AWS instances 18:04:22 communishift is still dead 18:04:49 nb If that's the case, we're good with what we've got and we can use that for just the time for the survey and the instance can be removed afterwards. 18:04:52 Infra is gonna say no, at least you keep and maintain the app your self without letting baggage that other have to maintain later 18:04:54 limesurvey paid options are good 18:05:00 we don't need to self host it 18:05:16 well, unless someone wants to take it 18:05:36 Ok, let focus 18:05:49 I'm hungry and my lunch time is going to end soon 18:05:52 * nasirhm35 can help with that in the D&I team, If we're going for the self hosted Limesurvey or other tool. 18:05:54 #info Infra will provision an AWS instance if someone wants to take the responsibility of hosting it 18:06:01 x3mboy, you should eat :D 18:06:15 nasirhm35, it shouldnt get removed, it should stay there, so more folks can partcipate until the revamp inst ovewr 18:06:18 *over 18:06:33 Two weeks sound good 18:06:34 I also have some avenues to explore. For example we could potentially host with OSPO 18:06:50 marianaballa, thanks :) 18:07:11 I also had some interest from infra to the ambassador team, kinda want to point that individual to this and see what happens ;) 18:07:19 riecatnor ok, let me know if you want an AWS instance in the Fedora account, I have the ability to create them 18:07:32 AWS account is another option 18:07:44 paying for the service is yet another option, and almost the most ideal when it comes to privacy 18:08:04 sounds good 18:08:05 sumantro: got it. 18:08:16 because then it is in the hands of the SaaS provider to deal with GDPR or privacy concerns 18:08:21 our aws account is free, but yeah, paying limesurvey to host it would probably be idea 18:09:30 riecatnor, when we are done with this, I have another question on the same lines - How many survey counts are we considering as baseline? Like it is like we start crunching when we at X number of folks who have answered these questions.. like what would that number look like to consider that majority of fedora contributors have participated? 18:09:33 so, sumantro, there are a lot of questions. And I expect more :D I would say that a meeting is not ideal for all these small details. I think adding into the wiki, sending me a message or email, pinging folks to review tickets 18:09:52 riecatnor, gotcha! 18:10:08 def. this meeting isnt the right forum 18:11:05 * nasirhm35 got a ping from his manager. Got to go. 18:11:39 I did want to circle back around to the point of maintaining a healthy balance with the task force, setting up realistic timelines (or adjusting them if needed, this does not mean failure!), giving yourself and others grace 18:11:39 bye bye nasirhm35 , we will miss you :'( 18:11:41 Have a Good Day/Night. 18:11:50 :wave: 18:11:56 there is many years of issues here.. you may come up against various things that are no so pleasant 18:12:18 Also a reminder that failure is a natural part of learning and success 18:13:09 so, if you both are satisfied by our answers, and still ready to take it on, THANKS A MILLION!! 18:13:21 +1 18:13:29 I have to leave, got to go drive to the office for a few things 18:13:33 Aslo a lot of angry people to deal with 18:13:34 * nb mainly working from home 18:13:34 Like me 18:13:34 seeya nb! 18:13:37 xD 18:13:47 nb, see you! 18:14:04 lol, I like to think angry = passionate when it comes to Fedora ; 18:14:10 ;) 18:14:43 Great wording 18:14:43 :) 18:14:44 :D 18:15:00 riecatnor, I am up for the task. I will need the full support of you and the mindshare in totality as we work with all the individual groups 18:15:21 sumantro++ 18:15:27 marianab++ 18:15:27 riecatnor: Karma for marianab changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 18:15:31 sumantro and you can count with us 18:15:32 sumantro++ 18:15:41 marianab++ 18:15:41 bt0: Karma for marianab changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 18:15:43 oh Mariana needs cookies!! 18:16:42 This is the main task that lead the creation of Mindshare in first place 18:16:54 It's not going to be easy, but we will do it together 18:17:04 Yes!! this is exciting 18:17:39 that is right, I'm very happy about this steps 18:17:54 Mariana & Sumantro, would you be able to come to our next Mindshare meeting or the one after with some updates on first steps? 18:18:12 I didn't change my mind about joining Outreach :p And thaaank you for the cookies 18:19:05 awesome, Mariana :D 18:20:16 I don't mind joining the Mindshare meetings, but I can join 30 minutes later from the beginning because every Wednesday I have another meeting overlapping (I simply rescheduled it today) 18:20:25 *work related 18:21:00 one after to be optimistic, if things come to us faster, maybe the very next will be the target 18:21:08 Well, I don 18:21:30 I don't think you need to be at all of them :D 18:22:02 in fact, I think we will very much need to rely on asynchronous communication in this effort, and as something we build the new ambassador program on 18:22:24 Or, maybe you and Sumantro can alternate while the task force is going 18:22:58 I agree that asynchronous could work pretty well for this one 18:23:05 riecatnor, I will be around in the meeting :) 18:23:49 ok great! Sumantro can make it, Mariana, it's ok to come later on, we can save task force things til second half 18:24:23 Great, thanks :) 18:24:52 So, this did take up the whole meeting :P I had some time dilation thinking we would discuss all that and get to more lol 18:25:15 so... with 5 minutes left 18:25:19 #topic open floor 18:25:29 (also I will close that ticket for the leads 18:25:49 Should mindshare have a nest session? 18:25:50 sure 18:26:05 I already propose one combining Design and Mktg 18:26:05 :D 18:26:14 I think let me check if I created the ticket 18:26:31 Oh, yes, I was thinking to do a mindshare q&a panel like ben proposed for council? 18:26:44 Tomorrow I will have an hour to woek in docs, Mindshare have some doc to update? 18:26:48 or more information, like, this is what we do, who we are, how we do it 18:27:03 and x3mboy, thanks for bringing this up 18:27:26 riecatnor, it was on my hackmd 18:27:27 :D 18:27:27 I would love to see most of our mindshare committee participating if possible :D remember because it is virtual, if you have a session idea, you can pre-record that 18:27:48 if it is interactive, obviously that won't work 18:29:29 I'm +1 to a q&a panel 18:29:37 + 1 too 18:29:42 sounds great 18:29:47 great, I will submit that to the repo :) 18:29:51 alrighty! remember to submit sessions for nest or poke other people to submit sessions 18:30:05 thanks, everyone :D 18:30:09 I have 2 things (the one we discussed and another CI infra) 18:30:13 ohhh 18:30:15 let's see when I get around doing it 18:30:17 sure I have one about the local community 18:30:19 ok, go ahead 18:30:25 siddharthvipul, bring it on! 18:30:27 riecatnor: I meant 2 talks to submit :P 18:30:40 ah, yes perfect! 18:30:42 I understand that 18:30:42 :D 18:31:00 will also be good to to discuss efforts with ambassadors in nest session 18:31:02 I have submitted cake with fcaic 18:31:04 But the timing make it look like you have something to bring to the Open Floor 18:31:13 so maybe a community outreach session? 18:31:14 looking at sumantro and mariana :P 18:31:38 Well, it would be a good chance to meet some people interested face to face :D 18:32:05 face to face.. through video lol 18:32:09 that is the new face to face I guess 18:32:30 Ok- anything else?? 18:32:37 siddharthvipul, YES tahts the plan 18:32:37 Not from me 18:32:49 yeah... I hate it, the camera make me looks fat 18:33:03 I doubt that bt0 18:33:08 :) 18:33:13 :D 18:33:19 Can we close, so I can go to eat my pasta? 18:33:22 xD 18:33:24 lol yes 18:33:27 #endmeeting