17:34:52 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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17:34:52 <riecatnor> #meetingname Mindshare
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17:34:53 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul1 duffy mizmo
17:34:53 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
17:34:53 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
17:34:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock duffy hhlp mizmo nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul1 tatica tyll x3mboy
17:35:11 <mizmo> 👍
17:35:19 <thunderbirdtr> .hello2
17:35:20 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
17:35:22 <x3mboy> .hello2
17:35:23 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:35:29 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
17:35:30 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
17:36:25 <riecatnor> how's everyone doin today??
17:36:36 <riecatnor> #topic announcements
17:37:16 <mizmo> feeling presidentially fresher atm
17:37:30 <riecatnor> agreed, mizmo :D
17:37:42 <riecatnor> #info First Design live session, today!
17:37:45 <riecatnor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/join-us-design-team-sessions-live/
17:38:01 <mizmo> the inaugural session 🤣
17:38:14 <riecatnor> lollll
17:38:16 <riecatnor> perfect
17:38:31 <riecatnor> I don't have any other fresh announcements, anyone else?
17:39:33 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
17:39:37 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/252
17:40:04 <bt0> reading
17:41:30 <riecatnor> I think I am +1 to retire the free media program as it stands currently. Perhaps the revamp can address this issue
17:43:07 <riecatnor> is anyone -1 to this?
17:45:15 <mizmo> i wonder if we retire it
17:45:22 <mizmo> is there anywhere we can point ppl who would use it to purchase a copy thru legitimate means
17:45:46 <mizmo> like im +1 to retire just wondering if those who relied on it have some alternative we can point them to
17:45:50 <riecatnor> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/349
17:46:04 <riecatnor> Does this help fulfill that need?
17:46:22 <mizmo> https://www.shoplinuxonline.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=fedora smtg like this
17:46:53 <mizmo> riecatnor - that doesnt... bc its fedora on cloud based systems, if you were in a low-to-no bandwidth situation that owuldnt help you bc youd need bandwidth to access
17:47:01 <riecatnor> ah understood
17:47:18 <mizmo> i dont know if shoplinuxonline.com is legit with us but if it is that link is just about perfect imho
17:48:12 <riecatnor> mizmo, this is a great point. Can you add to the ticket?
17:48:20 <mizmo> riecatnor:
17:48:22 <mizmo> doing so now :)
17:48:26 <riecatnor> perf
17:49:41 <riecatnor> anyone else, please add +1,0,-1 and any commentary. Thanks
17:50:01 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/248
17:50:05 <thunderbirdtr> 0 for 252
17:51:16 <riecatnor> update on the swag contest for FOSDEM, till made a great point, which marianab and I already started to address
17:51:25 <bt0> cool
17:51:38 <riecatnor> The idea for the raffle is now, people can enter for the entirety of the event. I think we can include fedorans as well
17:51:40 <mizmo> is fosdem taking place in person??
17:51:46 <riecatnor> no :(
17:51:53 <riecatnor> But we are still going to do a swag contest!
17:52:07 <mizmo> ah ok phew
17:52:14 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, +1 for swag idea and also commented it.
17:52:16 <mizmo> its usually very tight pre covid
17:52:43 <thunderbirdtr> mizmo, 2021 is gonna be virtual as possible as I believe but maybe 2022 ? (hopefully)
17:52:45 <riecatnor> So, we will have a link for folks to 'enter' the raffle with their name and email address. the next day (the 8th i believe) Vipul will do a random drawing of 100 peeps
17:52:59 <riecatnor> Those people will receive a follow up email with a form to provide their shipping info
17:53:33 <riecatnor> I will provide that to RH fulfillment, who will ship out some pre-made packages we are working on already
17:54:02 <riecatnor> The last piece to this is that RH requires terms & conditions for any give away type contests. So I have started that process, that is the only thing that could potentially hold this up or cause issues.
17:54:37 <mizmo> what kind of swag are we thinking
17:55:05 <riecatnor> Well, we actually have a bunch already made
17:55:26 <riecatnor> I think the unique/new item we can include is a fedora coffee mug !
17:55:53 <riecatnor> as well as the gay pride Fedora stickers? and then we have the standard items. lanyard, pen, variety of stickers
17:56:14 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, please send me feodra mug ? (If possible :)) )
17:56:40 <mizmo> sounds good :-)
17:57:06 <riecatnor> Lol, I have been working up a forecast of the various swag programs for the year already for fulfillment.. including F34 release party, nest, and a potential contributor thank you give-away based on fedora badges(??)
17:57:50 <riecatnor> Like, if you are in the top 500 by the middle of 2021 you will receive a thank you package? and if we did this, I would want to think up some cool swag as a team to put in that package
17:58:07 <riecatnor> anyways- I digress with future plans ;)
17:58:34 <riecatnor> For the website, we have Vipul on the ball again. He has experience with Hugo
17:58:44 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/0rEyRRneR5C1wzBfMyjQ7w?view
17:58:59 <riecatnor> here are some notes we are keeping on the FOSDEM planning, which I will add to the ticket in a moment
17:59:16 <riecatnor> #link https://stands.fosdem.org/stands/the_fedora_project/
17:59:28 <riecatnor> this is what it looks like currently.. so we are working on copy and including some pictures there if possible
18:00:17 <riecatnor> For videos, this is something we as a team can help out with.
18:00:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Wow
18:00:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> These sound great
18:00:41 * bt0 is half here half in an call with my boss :(
18:01:17 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, other videos almost done for me..... upload coming soon
18:01:18 <riecatnor> Hiya Vipul!
18:01:25 <riecatnor> thunderbirdtr, awesome!
18:01:48 <riecatnor> We will have the opportunity to upload videos onto our fosdem "booth"
18:01:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Hi riecatnor :D
18:02:03 <mizmo> s/Video's/Videos on that page @ FOSDEM
18:02:35 <mizmo> can you tell me more about the videos? do you need bumpers for the front/end? I had an intern start with me this week who is studying animation, maybe she could put smtg together depending on timeline
18:03:10 <riecatnor> Well, this part is pretty new for us. We have only a couple of community videos we have been uploading for virtual events such as the budapest video, and I think another from LATAM
18:03:30 <riecatnor> I think it would be nice to take Matthew's state of fedora talk from Nest?
18:03:57 <riecatnor> I think it would also benefit to add the short sessions from the F33 release party. these are the most relevant things going on with Fedora
18:04:39 <riecatnor> Also they are short. I have seen some marketing research on people's interaction with online events.. most people spend 6-8 minutes watching a video max
18:04:45 <mizmo> i see fosdem is only in 2ish weeks from now, do videos have to be submitted at some point before then
18:04:50 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, now I'm sad, It would be nice to have "free-talk" moments as well for showing "we having a fun" message as well...
18:04:54 <riecatnor> video fatigue is real
18:05:21 <riecatnor> probs a good idea mizmo ;)
18:05:42 <riecatnor> well, we have the budapest video, it def shows a fun side
18:05:44 <mizmo> well like the deadilne for devconf vids was last friday (and i missed it, sob but thats not until feb 15)
18:06:20 <riecatnor> time is weird.
18:06:22 <riecatnor> lol
18:06:37 <riecatnor> As we start on the millionth day of March 2020
18:06:50 <mizmo> ok im gonna conclude that maybe theres not enough time to put together a slick set of bumpers for the vids... but maybe file a design ticket to get one going for future things
18:07:13 <riecatnor> Yea, I think that seems right mizmo. I like the idea of bumpers tho, currently we just have a cover slide
18:08:36 <riecatnor> So, I think its a nice idea to gather videos, but I currently do not have the capacity. Does anyone else have the capacity to gather videos from the community? tyll
18:09:17 <riecatnor> I am happy to use the budapest one, the one from the latam community, matthews state of fedora, and the short videos from the RP on the newest updates
18:09:41 <riecatnor> I need to review my email to find the deadline for videos
18:10:53 * riecatnor can't find it currently. will ask marianab
18:12:31 <riecatnor> Ok, I will wrap up the updates and put them on the tiket
18:12:33 <riecatnor> ticket*
18:12:51 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/249
18:13:04 <riecatnor> this has been two weeks, all +1
18:13:23 <riecatnor> I think it is time to go ahead and print these :D
18:15:17 <riecatnor> just poking around for a documented process on how to do the next part.. best I found was
18:15:19 <riecatnor> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare-committee/procedures/swag/
18:15:44 <riecatnor> I think I will just assign tiket #249 to me and we can coordinate it there
18:16:55 <tyll> riecatnor: I can ask for videos now but I expect to be incapacitated next week and the following week
18:18:47 <riecatnor> tyll, if you can ask and have a place for people to drop the videos, I can review and add them from there
18:19:21 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
18:19:52 <riecatnor> oops, thunderbirdtr just curious were you able to get to the updates we discussed around https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/242
18:20:01 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/242
18:20:25 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, I have a problem
18:20:30 <thunderbirdtr> on telegram
18:20:39 <thunderbirdtr> and question
18:20:43 <riecatnor> ok?
18:20:46 <tyll> riecatnor: should there be an event wiki page like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2021 or are we using something else for coordination nowadays?
18:20:48 <riecatnor> go ahead :)
18:21:07 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, -> (1) This group is officially endorsed by the Fedora Project as a communication channel.
18:21:56 <riecatnor> tyll, we can do that! it would be a good point of reference for folks. I just have an informal note taking document I am using
18:22:24 <tyll> riecatnor: ok, I will prepare a stub and link it in the ticket
18:22:35 <riecatnor> tyll, thank you!
18:23:05 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, so, according the this message I have to put that in "official" list. I know we talked about it. but I have to ask again what should we do about it. Plus  many fedora people also admin in there as well.
18:24:25 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/232
18:26:09 <thunderbirdtr> riecatnor, ok thank you.
18:26:23 <riecatnor> I think bcotton's final comment is the conclusive answer
18:26:35 <riecatnor> Tho the strategy document link just brings you back to the same ticket
18:26:56 <mizmo> does the deployment of element not change this
18:27:22 <riecatnor> official endorsement and official implementation are two diff things in my mind
18:27:36 <mizmo> i dont see how tills concern is addressed
18:28:00 <riecatnor> like, we are starting with council, and will move teams there one by one with persuasion :) hopefully. Tho the @fedora channel there will most likely stay. it is very popular
18:28:07 <riecatnor> @fedora on tg*
18:28:12 <mizmo> also if i click the"updated strategy document" link it just point to the same fedora council ticket 232
18:28:24 <mizmo> so it seems like theres a big chunk of info / discussion / whatever missing here
18:28:36 <riecatnor> I think I can ping bcotton to see if it's just a simple link error or what
18:29:40 <mizmo> ok, it seems very bad to accept something without even the rationale given hopefully its just a broken link that can be addressed and what it points to exhibits sound reasoning/rationale, as the concerns raised are pretty serious
18:29:42 <tyll> As far as I understood, matrix is going to become a more official non-IRC platform, so maybe that will already provide all the benefits th
18:29:42 <riecatnor> Ok, I sent him a message. He is out today tho
18:29:52 <tyll> that telegram has without the data privacy problems
18:30:10 <mizmo> and moderation issues apparently
18:30:13 <riecatnor> That is definitely the point of going to matrix, and the idea is that the council going first will role model the move
18:30:51 <riecatnor> ok, we are at time
18:31:14 <riecatnor> thanks everyone!!
18:31:19 <riecatnor> #endmeeting