19:00:26 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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19:00:26 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor thunderbirdtr siddharthvipul relrod mizmo @OnuralpSezer[m] @PetrBokoc[m]
19:00:26 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
19:00:26 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
19:00:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: @OnuralpSezer[m] @PetrBokoc[m] bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor siddharthvipul thunderbirdtr tyll
19:00:40 <riecatnor> hey mindshare peeps!
19:00:41 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hiii
19:00:54 <riecatnor> hi AlbertoRodrguezS ! how are you doin today?
19:01:20 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Great :)
19:02:24 <riecatnor> glad to hear it :)
19:03:11 <pbokoc> hi there
19:03:49 <riecatnor> heya pbokoc how's it going?
19:04:24 <pbokoc> riecatnor, I'm good, how about you?
19:04:43 <MadelinePeck[m]> happy first days of fall everyone :D
19:05:01 <VipulSiddharth[m> Hello everyone :)
19:05:02 <riecatnor> oh, pretty good. I just had a grilled ham and cheese sandwich :D
19:05:11 <riecatnor> hi MadelinePeck[m] & VipulSiddharth[m !
19:05:20 <VipulSiddharth[m> \o/
19:05:33 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Hello o/
19:05:49 <riecatnor> wow so many people today!! hi OnuralpSezer[m] welcome
19:05:55 <riecatnor> its a party
19:05:57 <MirnDuffy[m]> 👋
19:06:13 <riecatnor> heyyy MirnDuffy[m]
19:06:23 <VipulSiddharth[m> Before sleeping (which is any minute now), I wanted to check if we are discussing Created the mindshare ticket for the FCOS survey https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/297 😁
19:06:23 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am obviously okay to wait till the turn
19:06:39 <riecatnor> yes! I was going to raise that ticket today
19:06:50 <VipulSiddharth[m> Nice
19:06:55 <riecatnor> lets get through announcements and then do that one
19:07:01 <VipulSiddharth[m> Perfect
19:07:04 <riecatnor> #topic announcements and information
19:07:29 <riecatnor> #info mattdm still looking for stories about Fedora releases through the years
19:07:31 <riecatnor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/im-looking-for-your-stories-from-fedora-history/
19:08:12 <riecatnor> #info registration for the Fedora Linux 35 Release Party is open
19:08:14 <riecatnor> #link https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-35-release-party/registration
19:08:40 <riecatnor> #info help us promote the release party registration!
19:08:42 <riecatnor> #link https://twitter.com/fedora/status/1440800988672102401
19:09:20 <riecatnor> #info Outreachy project submission deadline extended to September 29th
19:09:32 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mentored-projects/issues
19:09:59 <riecatnor> #info Fedora Week of Diversity is October 3-9th, look out for content to share!
19:10:09 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/195
19:10:29 <mattdm> not too many more stories though because my talk is on monday :)
19:10:43 <riecatnor> #info The Fedora Linux 35 Beta RC2 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live
19:10:43 <riecatnor> on Tuesday, 28 September 2021
19:10:50 <riecatnor> oops too many lines.
19:10:53 <riecatnor> hi mattdm :)
19:10:59 <riecatnor> #undo
19:10:59 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by riecatnor at 19:10:43 : The Fedora Linux 35 Beta RC2 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live
19:11:03 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hi
19:11:07 <riecatnor> #info The Fedora Linux 35 Beta RC2 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live on Tuesday, 28 September 2021.
19:11:25 <riecatnor> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2021-09-23/f35-beta-go_no_go-meeting.2021-09-23-17.00.log.html
19:12:12 <riecatnor> ok, I think thats it for me today. anyone have an announcement?
19:13:31 <MirnDuffy[m]> Maybe say hi to Madeline Peck she's joined my team and I think this may be her first Mindshare meeting :)
19:13:45 <MirnDuffy[m]> I mentioned her last meeting, she'll be helping me manage the Fedora design team
19:13:48 <pbokoc> Hi Madeline :)
19:13:49 <VipulSiddharth[m> Hey hey o/
19:13:50 <riecatnor> Yes! Welcome MadelinePeck[m] :)
19:13:54 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hi Madeline
19:13:55 <VipulSiddharth[m> Welcome :)
19:13:55 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> Welcome aboard
19:13:56 <riecatnor> that is amazing news
19:14:14 <OnuralpSezer[m]1> Madeline Peck++ :)
19:14:14 <tyll> Welcome MadelinePeck[m]
19:14:31 <riecatnor> madelinepeck++
19:14:31 <zodbot> riecatnor: Karma for madelinepeck changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:15:45 <riecatnor> you are always welcome to hang at Mindshare meetings :D we appreciate more perspectives
19:16:02 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
19:16:06 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/297
19:17:09 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/qkK4IOCCS5GLgJzIvQK3lA
19:18:05 <riecatnor> I am generally in favor of this. After a quick review of the questions, I see a couple potential improvements
19:18:30 <riecatnor> For example "Do you feel the Fedora CoreOS team has done a good job overall in the last 6 months? (Yes or No)" might be better as a measurement tool on a scale of 1-5
19:19:10 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Right
19:19:30 <MirnDuffy[m]> thats kind of a vague question too... what does doing a good job mean
19:19:36 <riecatnor> For the first question, I think more answers can be added.. Do you use Fedora CoreOS ? (Yes or No) could also have "Yes, but I switched away from it" "Yes, but only in particular use cases"
19:19:58 <MirnDuffy[m]> does it mean, fedora coreOS meets my expectations? does it mean, my issues get triaged and addressed / team is communicative?
19:20:04 <riecatnor> I would agree MirnDuffy[m], I think he is going for a satisfaction rating which is why I was suggesting a scale
19:20:07 <MirnDuffy[m]> is it product centric or people centric
19:20:18 <MirnDuffy[m]> i could see it go either way as a potnetial survey taker
19:20:37 <riecatnor> since it doesnt have many questions, we could suggest that one is split into two or three questions
19:20:45 <riecatnor> many questions overall*
19:21:13 <tyll> to me the follow up questions are ood
19:21:28 <tyll> first picking yes/no and then explaining
19:21:45 <riecatnor> I like that as well
19:21:58 <tyll> I think other surveys just ask: What was good? What was bad? in two questions
19:21:58 <MirnDuffy[m]> their main goal looks tobe communication with Fedora CoreOS
19:22:04 <MirnDuffy[m]> (from the ticket)
19:22:10 <tyll> so everyone is asked to praise and provide suggestions
19:22:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Maybe we can put it on the ticket as suggestions
19:22:37 <tyll> in the FCOS survey, everyone who picked yes should not provide any more suggestions for improvement
19:22:37 <MirnDuffy[m]> Do you feel the Fedora CoreOS team has done a good job overall in the last 6 months?  =>
19:22:37 <MirnDuffy[m]> Do you feel the Fedora CoreOS team has done a good job of communicating about the project overall in the last 6 months?
19:23:05 <riecatnor> Good point, MirnDuffy[m], we should include some suggestions about where to advertise the survey as well
19:23:23 <riecatnor> and, yes, that seems more to their goal
19:24:33 <riecatnor> we should hook up the survey badge for them as well
19:25:05 <riecatnor> the dates seem good, it overlaps with the release party
19:25:09 <tyll> what exactly is the question for the mindshare project in this ticket? whether we approve this? Does someone in Mindshare need to setup the survey? Do they want feedback for their questions?
19:25:12 <VipulSiddharth[m> Survey badge is for yearly community survey, right?
19:25:34 <riecatnor> hmm VipulSiddharth[m I feel like this debate is still open lol
19:25:52 <VipulSiddharth[m> tyll, need Marie's +1 (and in general mindshare's approval) :)
19:26:05 <riecatnor> tyll, yes, Mindshare has access to the limesurvey account. We need to vet the questions closely to make sure they are not gathering personally identifying information. Also, we can help support with other things such as promotion
19:26:37 <riecatnor> and, now I have worked on a couple surveys, so I have some thoughts on how the questions are worded. we can help them improve that as well
19:26:46 * tyll is +1 to approve this survey
19:27:12 <riecatnor> I will gather our feedback and put it on the ticket
19:27:29 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Cool, thanks
19:27:37 <tyll> I see opportunity to improve the questions but more to make them more useful not because they are inappropriate
19:27:41 <riecatnor> feel free to comment as well
19:27:44 <riecatnor> agree tyll
19:28:28 <riecatnor> any other thoughts today on the FCOS survey?
19:28:48 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Not from me
19:29:39 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/296
19:31:21 <riecatnor> #link https://www.linuxday.it/2021/
19:32:59 <riecatnor> so, I am generally in favor of this. Their is one thing coming to my mind, that the council had previously determined that we would not be sponsoring in person events for the time being and I am wondering if this counts? and also maybe it is time to revisit that with the Council
19:33:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> In general I'm +1
19:33:43 <riecatnor> I am wondering if we ever put that somewhere, but I am guessing it is probably in a meeting log somewhere.
19:33:52 <riecatnor> somewhere useful* lol
19:34:00 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :p
19:34:49 <riecatnor> so, my thought is that if this person is traveling locally, and this is not a funding request, I think we can send swag
19:34:59 <riecatnor> travel funding*
19:35:13 <tyll> +1
19:35:32 <riecatnor> and I will bring the topic back to the council as I am seeing in person events being planned in other places as well
19:36:40 <riecatnor> can folks provide +1 on the ticket please
19:37:02 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Cool
19:37:12 <tyll> done
19:37:21 <MirnDuffy[m]> I have concerns about supporting in-person events / not having a policy there
19:37:27 <MirnDuffy[m]> But I am very COVID cautious
19:37:42 <tyll> do we have some template to ask for an event report? It would be great to also provide some guidance about information that would be useful for us.
19:38:09 <MirnDuffy[m]> (Eg wouldnt want to see Fedora associated with a super spreader event... 100 ppl is a lot, esp indoors, at least for how COVID is here in Boston)
19:38:11 <riecatnor> MirnDuffy[m], its entirely valid. Do you feel we should check in with the Council before we approve this?
19:38:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1
19:38:35 <MirnDuffy[m]> riecatnor: I hate to be the one to say it but yes... 100 seems like a lot. If it was like, 20 ppl I might feel differently
19:39:19 <riecatnor> I think its a "better safe than sorry" moment. I will start that, we have a short timeframe
19:39:56 <MirnDuffy[m]> I mean one thing we could request in such a policy - if we want to defer to local authorities - is a link or dated document from local authorities on COVID restrictions to show the event is in compliance
19:40:18 <MirnDuffy[m]> like for here in MA you'd link to the MA state COVID webpage / hub that has the listing of all the restrictions in effect
19:40:41 <MirnDuffy[m]> It shouldnt be a large burden since event organizers probably will be checking these things anyway especially as the very first f2f events in a while are getting organized
19:41:01 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Good idea
19:41:11 <riecatnor> That makes sense MirnDuffy[m]
19:41:36 <tyll> yes, sounds good to me, too.
19:41:38 <riecatnor> I have a concern that the council will not be able to discuss and approve this with enough time for us to get swag out. Considering options
19:41:49 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Mayor they are asking for a cert of covid vaccination
19:42:49 <MirnDuffy[m]> riecatnor: could we work with requester quickly as a one-off while working on a longer term strategy with council? maybe as a testbed for what we'd like to see. ask requester for info on covid precautions and local covid ordinances
19:43:49 <riecatnor> I think that is a good place to start with the requester. I have also started a discussion with Matthew and Ben to figure out what we had decided last
19:44:29 <MirnDuffy[m]> im using google translate so may not be 100% but it appears this may be 100 ppl across different sites connecting via stream? not really able to follow... is it like software freedom day in that regard?
19:44:36 <MirnDuffy[m]> where you have multiple local events all on the same day?
19:44:41 <MirnDuffy[m]> they have an agenda / schedule though so im confused
19:44:52 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Cool
19:44:56 <riecatnor> I also want to check in with our events people inside Red Hat, we need to follow along with their policy. I do know that we have send some swag to in person events at this point.
19:46:19 <tyll> from what I understand, there are several events in parallel and the requester is asking for one specific event in Catania (this is a city as far as I know)
19:46:51 <MirnDuffy[m]> ah ok so thats 100 ppl colocated then
19:47:40 <tyll> there were about 100 ppl in Catania in 2019 according to the old event report
19:48:58 <riecatnor> Ok, there are a couple things to figure out. I will comment on the ticket
19:49:11 <riecatnor> any other thoughts on 296?
19:50:10 <AlbertoRodrguezS> No from me
19:50:19 <MirnDuffy[m]> No fro me
19:50:28 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
19:50:57 <riecatnor> anyone have things to discuss today? (I have one)
19:52:03 <AlbertoRodrguezS> go ahead :)
19:52:05 <riecatnor> I have had a couple people ask to use the Fedora Museum WorkAdventure which is awesome! I think maybe we should formalize that a bit, so folks can request it?
19:52:22 <riecatnor> not sure if people know they can use it
19:52:23 <MirnDuffy[m]> ooh very cool, yes!
19:52:33 <riecatnor> so, maybe some promotion of that as well
19:52:46 <tyll> do we need to vet who will be able to use it?
19:52:59 <AlbertoRodrguezS> was /is a great work I love it
19:53:19 <AlbertoRodrguezS> if we can use it more frequently will be awesome
19:53:20 <riecatnor> I think so yes, if there are more than 25 participants for an event, we are supposed to pay
19:53:43 <riecatnor> it seems like it is on an honor system, though, and we have paid for every event that was more than a small social.
19:54:27 <riecatnor> and, for example, the requester for hacktoberfest was like yes thats a good idea, and then I realized someone had requested it for an event beginning of october
19:54:34 <riecatnor> so, there is a potential for conflict with scheduling.
19:54:40 <tyll> ah, I see.
19:55:15 <riecatnor> so if its a big event, I will need to go in and pay. and we wouldn't want confused people like what event am i at? lol
19:55:25 <tyll> btw. I noticed they use the old Red Hat logo
19:55:32 <riecatnor> ohhh, we should update that
19:55:49 <riecatnor> I will send a message to Dhairya
19:56:03 <riecatnor> any more thoughts about the Fedora Museum?
19:56:30 <tyll> not from me
19:56:47 <AlbertoRodrguezS> can we open a ticket for follow this?
19:56:54 <riecatnor> yep! I will do that
19:57:32 <riecatnor> ok friends, thanks for the discussion today!
19:57:43 <riecatnor> #endmeeting