16:30:07 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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16:30:07 <riecatnor> #meetingname Mindshare
16:30:07 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor thunderbirdtr siddharthvipul relrod mizmo @OnuralpSezer[m]
16:30:07 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
16:30:07 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
16:30:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare'
16:30:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: @OnuralpSezer[m] bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor siddharthvipul thunderbirdtr tyll
16:30:13 <riecatnor> hi peeps!
16:30:26 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Ho
16:30:27 <relrod> o/
16:30:27 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hi
16:30:42 <riecatnor> hullo AlbertoRodrguezS & relrod !
16:30:57 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .fas2 thunderbirdtr
16:30:58 <riecatnor> I can't believe it is already September
16:31:01 <tyll> .hello till
16:31:02 <zodbot> tyll: till 'Till Maas' <opensource@till.name>
16:31:04 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
16:31:05 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
16:31:06 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Hello o/
16:31:11 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .hello thunderbirdtr
16:31:12 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
16:31:15 <riecatnor> hiya tyll & OnuralpSezer[m]
16:31:42 <tyll> Hi OnuralpSezer[m] riecatnor
16:32:08 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor:  tyll  Hello o/
16:32:11 <riecatnor> how is everyone doing? hopefully people have taken some vacation and breaks in august or over the summer :)
16:32:55 <riecatnor> I am doing better than last week, I had a stomach virus :( it was the worst tbh. especially after not being sick in so so long
16:34:27 <riecatnor> #topic announcements
16:34:52 <riecatnor> #info Devconf.US is tomorrow and friday (Sept 2-3rd)
16:34:57 <riecatnor> #link https://www.devconf.info/us/
16:35:42 <riecatnor> #info We are looking for mentored projects for the upcoming round of Outreachy
16:35:57 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mentored-projects/issues
16:36:27 <riecatnor> #info Fedora Week of Diversity is October 3-9th, we are publishing a series of content. this coordination is still under way
16:36:48 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/195
16:37:06 <riecatnor> #link https://hackmd.io/KKbdm_mBR6i6kVNU9ANy5w
16:37:08 <tyll> Is Outreachy currently for the Southern hemisphere?
16:38:00 <riecatnor> here is more info on eligibility: https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/#eligibility
16:38:10 <riecatnor> I would need to read that through, but I think you are correct tyll
16:38:37 <tyll> riecatnor: ah, yes, it is there: If you are a student of a university in the Southern Hemisphere, you will only be eligible for the December to March round.
16:38:38 <tyll> thanks
16:38:57 <riecatnor> yep
16:39:16 <riecatnor> any other announcements for today?
16:39:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Yes
16:39:30 <OnuralpSezer[m]> #link https://packaging-con.org/
16:39:30 <OnuralpSezer[m]> #info packaging-con Conference date: 9 & 10 November 2021
16:40:12 <tyll> #link If you are a student of a university in the Southern Hemisphere, you will only be eligible for the December to March round.
16:40:21 <tyll> #info DevConf.cz CfP is open
16:40:48 <riecatnor> #link https://www.devconf.info/cz/
16:41:28 <tyll> thanks, copy&paste is cursed for me
16:42:21 <riecatnor> :)
16:42:52 <riecatnor> #info F35 beta freeze underway
16:42:54 <riecatnor> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-key-tasks.html
16:43:22 <riecatnor> ok, that's all for me
16:45:08 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
16:45:30 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/288
16:45:52 <riecatnor> ok, so here are the results from the whenisgood (the screenshots are in US eastern)
16:46:13 <tyll> regarding the results, does the number/dots indicate how many people cannot attend?
16:46:15 <riecatnor> I proposed two paths forward in my last comment, but am open to more ideas
16:46:23 <riecatnor> yes- less dots is better
16:46:52 <riecatnor> I think it is Onuralp and Mo who cant make the early time, and Till and Vipul who can't make the later
16:47:29 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Ok, today is a really bad day for meetings 😭
16:47:39 <AlbertoRodrguezS> For me
16:47:46 <riecatnor> Proposal 1: Meeting at Thursday at 3PM eastern (19:00 UTC) weekly and once a month hold an additional meeting on Tuesday 8AM eastern (12:00 UTC) to help keep everyone in sync.
16:47:57 <riecatnor> Proposal 2: Alternate meeting times. One week Thursday at 3PM eastern (19:00 UTC) and one week Tuesday 8AM eastern (12:00UTC).
16:48:08 <mizmo[m]> i will hopefully be able to make earlier times once my kiddos school schedule is more known
16:48:48 <riecatnor> good to know mizmo[m]
16:48:59 <riecatnor> thoughts on these proposals? better proposals also welcome :)
16:49:24 <tyll> for me the late times depend on how quick my son starts sleeping, so sometimes I might be able to make it if he starts sleeping, soon.
16:50:03 <mizmo[m]> i could never make 8 AM eastern so id be for proposal 2
16:50:06 <mizmo[m]> actually either would work
16:50:15 <mizmo[m]> i misread the first
16:50:40 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Both proposals are good for me
16:50:53 <tyll> does proposal 1 mean to meet once a month twice in a week?
16:51:16 <riecatnor> tyll, yes
16:52:00 <riecatnor> I don't think everyone needs to be at both- I would tho :)
16:53:18 <riecatnor> a few people aren't at the meeting today, so I think it would be best to leave that for a couple days for everyone to leave a preference?
16:53:35 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1
16:53:58 <OnuralpSezer[m]> late time is works for me and +1 for wait bit more
16:53:59 <OnuralpSezer[m]> sure
16:54:05 <riecatnor> please comment on the ticket
16:54:26 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Sure
16:54:28 <riecatnor> should we try to do the new meeting time next week or meet once more at this time?
16:54:30 <tyll> sounds good
16:55:37 <AlbertoRodrguezS> I think one more in the same time for not rush anything
16:55:37 <tyll> I have a conflict at our current meeting time next week
16:57:26 <riecatnor> oh no, I am still not sure what to do lol
16:57:56 <riecatnor> Let me check in on it friday/monday and make sure everyone has given input if they want to
16:58:15 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Ok
16:58:32 <riecatnor> I can check in with the team via IRC
16:58:43 <riecatnor> (oops Monday is a US holiday, I won't be at work)
16:59:22 <riecatnor> gave myself a reminder
16:59:36 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/291
16:59:59 <riecatnor> this is a really interesting one, and I think we can be of help. Websites & Apps team is evaluating easyfix
17:00:27 <riecatnor> right now they are looking at its current status: is it being used? by who? how could we make it more visible?
17:00:46 <riecatnor> to determine, is this a valuable thing to overhaul
17:01:00 <riecatnor> OnuralpSezer[m], do you want to add some thing here?
17:02:55 <riecatnor> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/lets-talk-about-easyfix/32759
17:03:07 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Yes,
17:04:23 <mizmo[m]> it has a lot of potential. highlighting easyfix / newcomer friendly bugs across a project has huge potential to help onramp new contribs and is part of the process of onboarding outreachy applicants. but no idea if it has actual users now. i cant imagine it does, it's confusing
17:04:59 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Main idea is "we would like to explore the possibility of community engagement and show them into newcomers in a better way. In discus I already saw some problems from people also I wanted to get your opinion about this "how do we share this in a better way" because it is easy to revamp but we wanna do it more easy to reach/start and show newcomers as well.
17:05:43 <riecatnor> mizmo[m], OnuralpSezer[m] ++
17:05:44 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Also we would like make more publicity about it via "magazine/comm blog" as well. And ask our community members to tag them with easyfix more often so , we can use that for newcomers as well.
17:06:11 <riecatnor> I think Mindshare is a great way to coordinate the easyfix triaging, since we are connected to the most active teams on the Mindshare side
17:06:30 <riecatnor> I think we need to work with the development/coding side, would FESCo be a good place to raise this idea?
17:08:07 <riecatnor> I agree also that if it can/would be very useful if the design was more intuitive
17:08:55 <tyll> FESCo does not seem to be the right team for this, they usually discuss changes to the Fedora workflows/packages
17:09:39 <riecatnor> mmm. dI guess that means we would need to reach out to individual teams/initiatives to make that happen?
17:09:56 <mizmo[m]> FESCo talks about standards too tho right. like do we have a standard tag for easyfix and newbiefriendly across issue tracker tools? wouldnt that be in their wheelhouse
17:11:21 <riecatnor> that makes sense Mo. I guess also publicizing on the devel list about the initiative and reminding people to triage
17:11:39 <riecatnor> ok, so-- a badge series for triaging tickets with an "easyfix" ta
17:11:40 <riecatnor> tag*
17:11:50 <OnuralpSezer[m]> ohh :)
17:11:54 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I already like the idea then :)
17:11:56 <OnuralpSezer[m]> +1 for that
17:11:57 <riecatnor> would it be possible?
17:12:03 <tyll> the tag could also be used in all projects, even mindshare - so the name discussion would be beyond FESCo
17:12:26 <OnuralpSezer[m]> true
17:12:34 <OnuralpSezer[m]> every single pagure project can use it
17:12:42 <OnuralpSezer[m]> translate/Design/docs/ etc..
17:12:59 <riecatnor> I think "easyfix" is a pretty standard way to describe this right?
17:13:03 <mizmo[m]> @tyll i would expect it to be fesco+mindshare to be full coverage unless that leaves any groups out you can think of
17:13:04 <mizmo[m]> does mindshare cover i18n
17:13:30 <OnuralpSezer[m]> yes
17:13:31 <riecatnor> yes mizmo[m], tho we don't have a rep on Mindshare. I would reach out to Jean-Baptiste to make sure he is aware
17:13:31 <tyll> since Join is the first contact for new contributors, it seems to me it would be a good idea to get their opinion about this
17:13:32 <mizmo[m]> riecatnor: sometimes trackers have a separate newbie friendly tag... it might not be "easyfix" but a good first issue to get started
17:13:42 <mizmo[m]> i think the github default is "good first issue" for the tag name
17:13:46 <riecatnor> mizmo[m], gotcha
17:13:59 <mizmo[m]> (i think sometimes the implication that new ppl can only do easy things is also sometimes raised)
17:14:07 <OnuralpSezer[m]> tyll:  +1  I was thinking about adding easyfix in to pagure template as well
17:14:10 <OnuralpSezer[m]> so people can reach easier and check it out
17:14:10 <mizmo[m]> tyll: isnt join part of mindshare
17:14:11 <OnuralpSezer[m]> as well
17:14:13 <tyll> "good first issue" might actually be better name in general since how easy something is is very subjective
17:14:26 <riecatnor> yep! I think AlbertoRodrguezS and VipulSiddharth[m are pretty active with Join as well
17:14:32 <OnuralpSezer[m]> mizmo:  they are
17:14:37 <riecatnor> they can provide some input from that perspective
17:14:46 <riecatnor> tyll, that is a great point
17:14:54 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yeah
17:16:00 <riecatnor> And- yes we can add one more group to provide perspective, D&I team. We have a meeting tomorrow, I will raise the discussion and ask them to provide input if desired
17:17:22 <riecatnor> any more thoughts on easyfix for the time being?
17:17:40 <riecatnor> I can gather our notes and add them to the ticket if that works for everyone
17:18:53 <riecatnor> If folks want to add commentary to the discussion thread, that would be great
17:20:24 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Sure
17:20:27 <OnuralpSezer[m]> that's all for me for now
17:20:40 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I can add into ticket If needed
17:20:42 <tyll> sounds good
17:21:08 <riecatnor> ok, will do. thanks for the convo on this, I have a feeling we will want to revisit as things progress
17:21:13 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
17:21:40 <riecatnor> anyone got things for open floor today?
17:21:56 <mizmo[m]> do we have outreachy internships for mindshare stuff this coming round?
17:22:17 <riecatnor> afaik, we have no outreachy projects officially submitted
17:23:03 <riecatnor> there is one idea, I believe t0xic0der might have a project around mote?
17:23:13 <mizmo[m]> ah ok
17:23:48 <riecatnor> I am working with VipulSiddharth[m sumantrom and t0xic0der on some blog posts/mailing list memos on outreachy asking for projects
17:24:21 <riecatnor> hoping to get those out soon, we have until sept 10th to sign up as a community, and until september 23rd to finalize projects
17:25:28 <riecatnor> I am taking this upcoming round off of mentoring, to do some burn out recovery.. I went hard on mentorship over the summer and it was great, but also took its toll a bit.
17:26:14 <riecatnor> I have a diff thing to bring up if we are good on outreachy for now
17:26:30 <tyll> a while ago the "Join Fedora" artwork/items were supposed to be translated / updated for the new logo. I had some concerns about them, are they still being worked on?
17:27:02 <riecatnor> tyll, Dhairya's internship ended about two weeks ago. I believe she did make updates based on your commentary
17:28:42 <tyll> I was also questioning if it really makes sense to have them translated since it seems to me that all the steps that are mentioned there require to be able to understand English anyhow
17:29:34 <riecatnor> I think in some cases, that might be true.. but I also think it is more about having something in someones home language. that is a cool thing.
17:30:50 <riecatnor> Would anyone like to tell a story for the Fedora Week of Diversity? We are creating a short series of videos to publish during FWD on the Fedora Youtube. If you are interested in being a part, please let me know! I am working on making some "open office hours" next week to collect stories as well (there will be a blog post, etc)
17:31:39 <riecatnor> fit it in at the last minute ;)
17:31:46 <riecatnor> please do message me if you want to be a part
17:31:53 <riecatnor> thanks everyone for the great meeting today!
17:31:55 <riecatnor> #endmeeting