16:30:07 #startmeeting Mindshare 16:30:07 Meeting started Wed Sep 1 16:30:07 2021 UTC. 16:30:07 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:30:07 The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:07 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 16:30:07 #meetingname Mindshare 16:30:07 #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor thunderbirdtr siddharthvipul relrod mizmo @OnuralpSezer[m] 16:30:07 #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 16:30:07 #topic Hello 16:30:07 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 16:30:07 Current chairs: @OnuralpSezer[m] bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor siddharthvipul thunderbirdtr tyll 16:30:13 hi peeps! 16:30:26 Ho 16:30:27 o/ 16:30:27 Hi 16:30:42 hullo AlbertoRodrguezS & relrod ! 16:30:57 .fas2 thunderbirdtr 16:30:58 I can't believe it is already September 16:31:01 .hello till 16:31:02 tyll: till 'Till Maas' 16:31:04 .hello riecatnor 16:31:05 riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' 16:31:06 Hello o/ 16:31:11 .hello thunderbirdtr 16:31:12 OnuralpSezer[m]: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 16:31:15 hiya tyll & OnuralpSezer[m] 16:31:42 Hi OnuralpSezer[m] riecatnor 16:32:08 riecatnor: tyll Hello o/ 16:32:11 how is everyone doing? hopefully people have taken some vacation and breaks in august or over the summer :) 16:32:55 I am doing better than last week, I had a stomach virus :( it was the worst tbh. especially after not being sick in so so long 16:34:27 #topic announcements 16:34:52 #info Devconf.US is tomorrow and friday (Sept 2-3rd) 16:34:57 #link https://www.devconf.info/us/ 16:35:42 #info We are looking for mentored projects for the upcoming round of Outreachy 16:35:57 #link https://pagure.io/mentored-projects/issues 16:36:27 #info Fedora Week of Diversity is October 3-9th, we are publishing a series of content. this coordination is still under way 16:36:48 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/195 16:37:06 #link https://hackmd.io/KKbdm_mBR6i6kVNU9ANy5w 16:37:08 Is Outreachy currently for the Southern hemisphere? 16:38:00 here is more info on eligibility: https://www.outreachy.org/docs/applicant/#eligibility 16:38:10 I would need to read that through, but I think you are correct tyll 16:38:37 riecatnor: ah, yes, it is there: If you are a student of a university in the Southern Hemisphere, you will only be eligible for the December to March round. 16:38:38 thanks 16:38:57 yep 16:39:16 any other announcements for today? 16:39:25 Yes 16:39:30 #link https://packaging-con.org/ 16:39:30 #info packaging-con Conference date: 9 & 10 November 2021 16:40:12 #link If you are a student of a university in the Southern Hemisphere, you will only be eligible for the December to March round. 16:40:21 #info DevConf.cz CfP is open 16:40:48 #link https://www.devconf.info/cz/ 16:41:28 thanks, copy&paste is cursed for me 16:42:21 :) 16:42:52 #info F35 beta freeze underway 16:42:54 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-key-tasks.html 16:43:22 ok, that's all for me 16:45:08 #topic tickets 16:45:30 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/288 16:45:52 ok, so here are the results from the whenisgood (the screenshots are in US eastern) 16:46:13 regarding the results, does the number/dots indicate how many people cannot attend? 16:46:15 I proposed two paths forward in my last comment, but am open to more ideas 16:46:23 yes- less dots is better 16:46:52 I think it is Onuralp and Mo who cant make the early time, and Till and Vipul who can't make the later 16:47:29 Ok, today is a really bad day for meetings 😭 16:47:39 For me 16:47:46 Proposal 1: Meeting at Thursday at 3PM eastern (19:00 UTC) weekly and once a month hold an additional meeting on Tuesday 8AM eastern (12:00 UTC) to help keep everyone in sync. 16:47:57 Proposal 2: Alternate meeting times. One week Thursday at 3PM eastern (19:00 UTC) and one week Tuesday 8AM eastern (12:00UTC). 16:48:08 i will hopefully be able to make earlier times once my kiddos school schedule is more known 16:48:48 good to know mizmo[m] 16:48:59 thoughts on these proposals? better proposals also welcome :) 16:49:24 for me the late times depend on how quick my son starts sleeping, so sometimes I might be able to make it if he starts sleeping, soon. 16:50:03 i could never make 8 AM eastern so id be for proposal 2 16:50:06 actually either would work 16:50:15 i misread the first 16:50:40 Both proposals are good for me 16:50:53 does proposal 1 mean to meet once a month twice in a week? 16:51:16 tyll, yes 16:52:00 I don't think everyone needs to be at both- I would tho :) 16:53:18 a few people aren't at the meeting today, so I think it would be best to leave that for a couple days for everyone to leave a preference? 16:53:35 +1 16:53:58 late time is works for me and +1 for wait bit more 16:53:59 sure 16:54:05 please comment on the ticket 16:54:26 Sure 16:54:28 should we try to do the new meeting time next week or meet once more at this time? 16:54:30 sounds good 16:55:37 I think one more in the same time for not rush anything 16:55:37 I have a conflict at our current meeting time next week 16:57:26 oh no, I am still not sure what to do lol 16:57:56 Let me check in on it friday/monday and make sure everyone has given input if they want to 16:58:15 Ok 16:58:32 I can check in with the team via IRC 16:58:43 (oops Monday is a US holiday, I won't be at work) 16:59:22 gave myself a reminder 16:59:36 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/291 16:59:59 this is a really interesting one, and I think we can be of help. Websites & Apps team is evaluating easyfix 17:00:27 right now they are looking at its current status: is it being used? by who? how could we make it more visible? 17:00:46 to determine, is this a valuable thing to overhaul 17:01:00 OnuralpSezer[m], do you want to add some thing here? 17:02:55 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/lets-talk-about-easyfix/32759 17:03:07 Yes, 17:04:23 it has a lot of potential. highlighting easyfix / newcomer friendly bugs across a project has huge potential to help onramp new contribs and is part of the process of onboarding outreachy applicants. but no idea if it has actual users now. i cant imagine it does, it's confusing 17:04:59 Main idea is "we would like to explore the possibility of community engagement and show them into newcomers in a better way. In discus I already saw some problems from people also I wanted to get your opinion about this "how do we share this in a better way" because it is easy to revamp but we wanna do it more easy to reach/start and show newcomers as well. 17:05:43 mizmo[m], OnuralpSezer[m] ++ 17:05:44 Also we would like make more publicity about it via "magazine/comm blog" as well. And ask our community members to tag them with easyfix more often so , we can use that for newcomers as well. 17:06:11 I think Mindshare is a great way to coordinate the easyfix triaging, since we are connected to the most active teams on the Mindshare side 17:06:30 I think we need to work with the development/coding side, would FESCo be a good place to raise this idea? 17:08:07 I agree also that if it can/would be very useful if the design was more intuitive 17:08:55 FESCo does not seem to be the right team for this, they usually discuss changes to the Fedora workflows/packages 17:09:39 mmm. dI guess that means we would need to reach out to individual teams/initiatives to make that happen? 17:09:56 FESCo talks about standards too tho right. like do we have a standard tag for easyfix and newbiefriendly across issue tracker tools? wouldnt that be in their wheelhouse 17:11:21 that makes sense Mo. I guess also publicizing on the devel list about the initiative and reminding people to triage 17:11:39 ok, so-- a badge series for triaging tickets with an "easyfix" ta 17:11:40 tag* 17:11:50 ohh :) 17:11:54 I already like the idea then :) 17:11:56 +1 for that 17:11:57 would it be possible? 17:12:03 the tag could also be used in all projects, even mindshare - so the name discussion would be beyond FESCo 17:12:26 true 17:12:34 every single pagure project can use it 17:12:42 translate/Design/docs/ etc.. 17:12:59 I think "easyfix" is a pretty standard way to describe this right? 17:13:03 @tyll i would expect it to be fesco+mindshare to be full coverage unless that leaves any groups out you can think of 17:13:04 does mindshare cover i18n 17:13:30 yes 17:13:31 yes mizmo[m], tho we don't have a rep on Mindshare. I would reach out to Jean-Baptiste to make sure he is aware 17:13:31 since Join is the first contact for new contributors, it seems to me it would be a good idea to get their opinion about this 17:13:32 riecatnor: sometimes trackers have a separate newbie friendly tag... it might not be "easyfix" but a good first issue to get started 17:13:42 i think the github default is "good first issue" for the tag name 17:13:46 mizmo[m], gotcha 17:13:59 (i think sometimes the implication that new ppl can only do easy things is also sometimes raised) 17:14:07 tyll: +1 I was thinking about adding easyfix in to pagure template as well 17:14:10 so people can reach easier and check it out 17:14:10 tyll: isnt join part of mindshare 17:14:11 as well 17:14:13 "good first issue" might actually be better name in general since how easy something is is very subjective 17:14:26 yep! I think AlbertoRodrguezS and VipulSiddharth[m are pretty active with Join as well 17:14:32 mizmo: they are 17:14:37 they can provide some input from that perspective 17:14:46 tyll, that is a great point 17:14:54 Yeah 17:16:00 And- yes we can add one more group to provide perspective, D&I team. We have a meeting tomorrow, I will raise the discussion and ask them to provide input if desired 17:17:22 any more thoughts on easyfix for the time being? 17:17:40 I can gather our notes and add them to the ticket if that works for everyone 17:18:53 If folks want to add commentary to the discussion thread, that would be great 17:20:24 Sure 17:20:27 that's all for me for now 17:20:40 I can add into ticket If needed 17:20:42 sounds good 17:21:08 ok, will do. thanks for the convo on this, I have a feeling we will want to revisit as things progress 17:21:13 #topic open floor 17:21:40 anyone got things for open floor today? 17:21:56 do we have outreachy internships for mindshare stuff this coming round? 17:22:17 afaik, we have no outreachy projects officially submitted 17:23:03 there is one idea, I believe t0xic0der might have a project around mote? 17:23:13 ah ok 17:23:48 I am working with VipulSiddharth[m sumantrom and t0xic0der on some blog posts/mailing list memos on outreachy asking for projects 17:24:21 hoping to get those out soon, we have until sept 10th to sign up as a community, and until september 23rd to finalize projects 17:25:28 I am taking this upcoming round off of mentoring, to do some burn out recovery.. I went hard on mentorship over the summer and it was great, but also took its toll a bit. 17:26:14 I have a diff thing to bring up if we are good on outreachy for now 17:26:30 a while ago the "Join Fedora" artwork/items were supposed to be translated / updated for the new logo. I had some concerns about them, are they still being worked on? 17:27:02 tyll, Dhairya's internship ended about two weeks ago. I believe she did make updates based on your commentary 17:28:42 I was also questioning if it really makes sense to have them translated since it seems to me that all the steps that are mentioned there require to be able to understand English anyhow 17:29:34 I think in some cases, that might be true.. but I also think it is more about having something in someones home language. that is a cool thing. 17:30:50 Would anyone like to tell a story for the Fedora Week of Diversity? We are creating a short series of videos to publish during FWD on the Fedora Youtube. If you are interested in being a part, please let me know! I am working on making some "open office hours" next week to collect stories as well (there will be a blog post, etc) 17:31:39 fit it in at the last minute ;) 17:31:46 please do message me if you want to be a part 17:31:53 thanks everyone for the great meeting today! 17:31:55 #endmeeting