07:24:20 #startmeeting 07:24:20 Meeting started Mon Feb 15 07:24:20 2010 UTC. The chair is rrix. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:24:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 07:24:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points 07:24:52 so, for those listening in at home, rbergeron and i are hacking on talking points sop, since I can't do it myself :) 07:24:59 threethirty: care to join us :) 07:25:01 ? 07:25:14 sure why not, whats needed :) 07:25:22 #chair threethirty rbergeron 07:25:23 Current chairs: rbergeron rrix threethirty 07:25:35 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP <-- this needs to get done, threethirty 07:25:48 #topic Talking Points SOP --https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP 07:25:57 #undo 07:25:57 Removing item from minutes: 07:26:04 #topic Talking Points SOP -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP 07:26:13 oh well 07:27:03 threethirty: so, we need to get that page done. The idea is to create SOPs that we can recycle for future releases in case supreme marketing master mchua_afk gets murdered by Sabayon users ... or something. Or to make things easier for everyone :) 07:27:24 lol 07:27:59 rbergeron: so, what's the exact deal with those F13 talking points? 07:28:02 i think it's more along the line of openness and transparency and open-contenting the process :) 07:28:13 rrix: Cylons are more probable 07:28:17 rbergeron: or to protect us from sabayon users :P 07:28:25 threethirty: no, thye can be vicious in packs 07:28:29 * rrix jokes 07:28:43 * rbergeron has a toaster and is not afraid to use it 07:28:50 rrix: define deal 07:29:06 rbergeron: said page, how did it come to be? 07:29:22 ummmm. 07:29:26 the SOP? 07:29:32 or the 13 talking pts page 07:29:33 F13 07:29:37 omg, it's been populated 07:29:47 the F13 talking points 07:29:52 * rbergeron now sees what you're talking about if that's what you're referring to 07:29:58 I made a basic placeholder back in december. 07:30:14 looks like dramsey filled it in 07:30:21 one of the items on marketing schedule is to basically... recycle the wiki with placeholders for the next cycle. 07:30:43 okay, i was curious if you had filled in the content :) 07:30:47 no. 07:30:58 Basically i set it up with a framework 07:31:02 3 categories.... 07:31:06 okay :) 07:31:17 so one of the things we should probably consider in the SOP 07:31:23 is that given that in the marketing schedule 07:31:27 * rbergeron pulling that up hold on 07:31:43 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html 07:31:49 * rrix needs to bookmark that thing 07:31:59 item #2 is cycling marketing wiki pages 07:32:07 so if we're going through at the beginning... that was in december 07:32:12 and making placeholders 07:32:18 yup 07:32:20 we're going to have people going in and populating them 07:32:27 regardless of what announcements we've made 07:32:31 which is perfectly fine 07:32:35 but we should probably define that somewhere 07:32:49 that that is likely to happen, and to not freak out about it 07:33:05 * rbergeron really needs to bookmark that too 07:33:22 * threethirty made that his homepage :) 07:33:24 okay, i did that. 07:33:26 good job! 07:33:34 * rbergeron has to have her google 07:33:47 * rbergeron eating leftover macayos chips and salsa 07:33:49 mmmm 07:33:57 ohman macayos. Do want D: 07:34:03 that was so mean, rbergeron 07:34:13 sorry 07:34:16 I can't even remember the last time I ate there. Om.nom.nom. 07:34:17 i had in-and-out today too 07:34:20 D:< 07:34:23 * rbergeron has to get all her fixes in 07:34:32 garcias is not macayos 07:34:34 Oh sooo mean 07:34:34 and that's what we have in flag 07:34:38 i mean besides the flag places 07:34:44 :) 07:34:47 casa bonita 07:34:57 In and out is still open, i could jog down there 07:34:59 no, it's not like that casa bonita 07:35:11 ANYWAY 07:35:26 indeed. 07:35:58 There's nothing to eat except peanut butter in my house. :( 07:36:08 We should probably link to the SOP page in the F13 talking points page 07:36:22 so, tomorrow is technically when we're supposed to be sending out call for talking points. 07:36:29 well, today now 07:36:34 * rbergeron nods 07:36:53 hang on 07:36:56 br 07:37:00 mmkay 07:37:24 * rbergeron will be here praying that a claritin box falls from the sky 07:37:59 false alarm 07:38:14 el daddy-o is a light sleeper 07:38:39 * rbergeron notes that talking points should come off the feature list. 07:38:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList 07:38:49 +1 07:38:50 i say that loosely 07:38:56 loosely? 07:38:58 because i'm not sure how much that is adhered to 07:39:02 well 07:39:14 all feature list items aren't talking points 07:39:21 but talking points should be feature list items 07:39:29 indeed. 07:39:31 if there is something else there there is probably a disconnect going on :) 07:40:05 How do we pick which features are talking points, exactly? 07:40:17 afaict it's "hey this one looks cool" basically? 07:40:40 lol thats what i was thinking :) 07:40:45 well 07:40:51 i think some are bang for the buck items 07:40:56 big recognizable things 07:41:00 like for desktop users 07:41:06 "PRINTERS" is a good thing 07:41:15 for developers python 3 is a good thing 07:41:20 it's understandable, etc. 07:41:29 also, if it's just a freakin good thing 07:41:37 tbh 07:41:39 what is listed here 07:41:43 looks really good 07:41:48 in the talking points page 07:41:52 yeah 07:41:55 i think .... tbh 07:41:59 we should talk to who populated this 07:42:17 maybe ask him to show us some love on how he picked these things 07:42:27 this looks like a good list to put up 07:42:35 and let people nitpick at it 07:42:38 better than saying 07:42:43 well, should we drop dramsey a mail then? 07:42:48 "we have a blank page. plz come populate it with everything on the planet!" 07:42:53 heehee :) 07:43:00 sure, i think so 07:43:16 so in terms of sops, i guess "populate with cool stuff" "send out call to nitpick"? 07:43:19 .fasinfo dramsey 07:43:21 rbergeron: User: dramsey, Name: David Ramsey, email: diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com, Creation: 2006-11-05, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5101001, GPG key ID: 3C15A573, Status: active 07:43:25 rbergeron: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors freemedia 07:43:25 #action rrix will mail dramsey 07:43:47 hotmail! 07:44:05 hot diggity mail! 07:44:25 we almost kicked someone off our list a couple months ago for having aol email address 07:44:32 list = list with friends 07:44:39 we were like 07:44:45 WHO IS THIS DUDE.... 07:44:46 lol 07:44:50 anyway 07:45:00 i vote we mail him, see if he has insight to how he came up with his choices 07:45:14 make sure there isn't some other simultaneous meeting elsewhere going on 07:45:15 :) 07:45:22 yup +1 07:46:05 he's been adding in since december 15 :) 07:46:17 stickster added in a bit on feb 9 07:46:40 okay 07:46:46 so aside from that 07:46:53 the sop stuff. 07:47:15 what else do we need in there? 07:47:49 * rbergeron would gobby but ... not at home 07:47:51 oh wait 07:47:57 * rbergeron can hijack sdake's laptop 07:48:12 should I cc the mktg list on this mail to dramsey? 07:49:04 sure! 07:49:13 cool 07:49:24 would love feedback on how you came up with these 07:49:26 etc etc 07:49:27 * rrix makes sure there isn't any stupid errors, then sends 07:49:28 yup 07:49:28 thanks you rule 07:49:34 I know ;) 07:49:35 and you rule too! 07:49:42 lol 07:49:44 * rrix jokes 07:49:46 ok, gobby installing 07:50:27 go 07:50:29 Mail out 07:50:31 go gobby go 07:50:33 go 07:50:38 gobby be good 07:50:58 butts, i can't find where I saved el password 07:51:44 lol 07:51:47 did you guys start on it? 07:52:06 nein 07:52:26 I just created talking-points sops 07:52:29 I just created talking-points-sops 07:52:38 really really? 07:53:04 fracking ugly GTk, brb, gotta reconnect 07:53:15 k i'm gonna put food away 07:53:31 gtk themes look so ugly when dark :( 08:02:07 okay 08:02:15 lemme get on gobbyyyy 08:02:20 okie dokie 08:30:50 * threethirty is headed to bed, nn all 08:30:55 night matey 08:36:43 rrix: hola 08:36:57 sup sweetiepie? 08:37:10 wow, you guys are cute 08:37:13 lol 08:37:45 rrix: nothing hon 08:37:49 Just got home 08:37:58 hiemanshu: how was your day? 08:38:31 rrix: I partied from sun 1AM to 11PM, slept just before the meeting last night, and woke up a couple of hours back 08:38:35 :) 08:38:35 lol 08:39:28 Tired as hell, need to work on my talk 08:41:58 heh, what's the talk for? 08:42:35 Genshi 08:42:55 and a workshop on making your own fedora remoix 08:43:28 remix** 08:45:08 fun stuff :) 08:45:15 using that webui you cooked up? 08:46:21 * rbergeron is breakin for a few minutez 08:46:57 alrighty 08:47:04 * rrix goes to clean up our ramblings 08:49:00 * rrix goes to nom on a spoon full of peanut butter, brb 08:50:07 ummmm 08:50:11 that sounds pretty disgusting 08:50:11 imo 08:50:14 :) 08:51:49 no, it's the perfect midngith snack 08:51:51 quick and clean 08:52:01 and full of protein for optimal wikihacking 08:52:01 :P 08:52:09 * rbergeron wonders why weeks aren't numbered 08:52:12 drives me nuts 08:52:35 * rbergeron is still in the mode of referring to things as WW23 or whatever from intel days :\ 08:52:44 rbergeron: lol :)_ 08:52:50 cycle week #8 is a lot easier than saying 08:53:05 marketing item #4 08:53:06 or whatever 08:53:09 indeed 08:53:11 when talking about when things get done 08:53:23 * rbergeron sending mail to poelstra about that one 08:53:25 perhaps there should be a calendar SOP :^) 08:53:37 this peanut butter needs more salt 08:54:03 totally 08:54:50 def better than "Fedora n-1 release + 1 week" 08:55:06 I mean, serioiusly, what /was/ i thinking? 09:02:27 rbergeron: I think I am about out of steam :( 09:02:29 * hiemanshu goes out for lunch 09:03:57 me too 09:04:09 shall we #endmeeting and copy this back to the wiki? 09:04:26 i think so 09:04:38 kay 09:04:41 #endmeeting