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19:43:17 <rbergeron> oh yay, mel's talkin out loud and i get to see it LIVE! and in person!
19:43:37 <mchua> For those listening in: I'm playing real quick with some brute-force python scripts to explore the idea of automatically gathering contributions for a FAS user from a bunch of different things FAS authenticates against.
19:44:10 <mchua> this is for anthro-diana 's research, since she has the problem of trying to figure out who the "current active contributors" are, where we don't have one clear-cut way of distinguishing this
19:44:29 <mchua> and since people can contribute in so many different ways we can't just say, like, "ok, everyone who edited the wiki is a contributor" because some people code, etc.
19:44:35 <mchua> rbergeron: :)
19:44:41 * mchua documents evvvverything.
19:45:04 * rbergeron nods
19:45:07 <rbergeron> this is conundrum
19:45:08 <mchua> so my idea was to look at the different services that FAS auths into and see if you can write a little script to scrape and parse the different activity logs for each user
19:45:16 <mchua> for instance, wiki edits
19:45:19 <mchua> #topic wiki edits
19:45:30 <mchua> You can see user contributions for any user on the wiki.
19:45:33 <mchua> For instance
19:45:36 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mchua
19:45:50 <mchua> #info URL is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FAS_USERNAME
19:46:08 * rbergeron wonders if there are any wiki contributions that get done by an automagic bot by people who may not be around?
19:46:32 * rbergeron is thinking like... changes to some code base get their descriptions passed along to wiki, under someone's name
19:46:50 <mchua> rbergeron: I don't think we have many (if any) of those kinds of bots on our wiki
19:46:58 <rbergeron> just thinking out loud :)
19:47:08 <mchua> and generally speaking, wiki rules are usually set (and I think Fedora is no exception here, though I'm not 100% sure) such that bots *must* be registered and tagged as such
19:47:12 <mchua> rbergeron: it's good :)
19:47:24 <mchua> since you can only log into the wiki via your FAS account, all wiki edits are done by someone's FAS account.
19:47:29 <mchua> So this is a pretty good count afaict.
19:47:35 <mchua> of "wiki activity by a person"
19:47:39 * rbergeron nods
19:47:50 <mchua> (it also means that all wiki activity by a person *will* be logged under their FAS name because you can't edit anonymously, etc)
19:47:55 <mchua> um... where was I?
19:47:56 <mchua> Ah yes.
19:48:20 <mchua> so if you had a list of FAS accounts, you could chug through with a script and scrape https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FAS_USERNAME for each FAS_USERNAME in list.
19:48:30 <mchua> so I'm going to hack a twill script together to do exactly that.
19:48:44 <mchua> and it will be kludgetastic and we will get back lots of broken fugly HTML and it will be wonderfully inefficient.
19:48:48 <mchua> wah-hah.
19:49:19 <mchua> #topic twill
19:49:31 <mchua> to do this, I'll be trying out twill, which is a little python library for web-browsing
19:49:36 <rbergeron> what does "new accounts" under show contributions of new accounts mean?
19:49:47 <mchua> rbergeron: hm?
19:49:50 <rbergeron> is there some sort of defined time period
19:50:02 <rbergeron> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FAS_USERNAME
19:50:04 <rbergeron> first radio button
19:50:12 <mchua> uh... /me tries
19:50:21 <mchua> Oh, that's interesting.
19:50:33 <mchua> That looks like it's the list of all contributions made by users with an account creation date less than $datetime
19:50:39 <mchua> for some $datetime I don't know.
19:50:44 <rbergeron> omg! all these new people have been contributing to release slogan ;)
19:50:46 <rbergeron> yay
19:50:57 <wonderer> another thing is to have not only the contributions, but also a log: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Log/Mchua if there something hase moved or changed you can script diffs, etc. out of it...
19:51:02 <mchua> That's a guess, not necessarily the correct one :)
19:51:06 <mchua> wonderer: oooo yes.
19:51:14 <rbergeron> yeah, i'm not sure
19:51:19 <mchua> wonderer: so you could get, not just number of edits, but number of lines of edits, etc
19:51:23 <mchua> even finer granularity.
19:51:56 <mchua> or whether edits are being made to pages that a lot of other people are contributing to at that time (they're "joining the conversation" vs working in their own little sandbox)
19:52:08 <mchua> and... anthro-diana, you've got a data goldmine here if you can figure out how to script stuff to get it :)
19:52:21 <mchua> uh, so, twill!
19:52:25 <mchua> #link http://twill.idyll.org/
19:52:44 <mchua> I'm sure there's a better way to do this, btw
19:53:03 <mchua> let's see if twill is packaged.....
19:53:08 * mchua does "yum search twill"
19:53:13 <mchua> HAWT
19:53:20 <wonderer> some do it with curl, but i'm years out of scripting ;-)
19:53:21 <mchua> #info twill package is called "python-twill"
19:54:00 <mchua> wonderer: point - I've played with both a bit, and vaguely remember liking twill more, but I have no idea why, so it might be worth trying for a 2nd round
19:54:23 * mchua does "sudo yum install python-twill" and watches the dependencies come rolling in
19:54:58 <wonderer> if you have some script "go over the wiki and do X" and THEN "forward/compare/diff that with planet.fp.o" would be nice...
19:55:25 <mchua> wonderer: yep yep. Idea would be to get a set of scripts that could extract this data for any user on any FAS-authenticated service, and then we could cross-compare... anything we wanted, really
19:55:37 <mchua> wonderer: "do people tend to git commit a lot before they make a blog post?" etc
19:56:08 <nmarques> hello
19:56:37 <wonderer> mchua: the thing is that this idea not only works on FAS based 8because most things you get without logins) but also crawl over the blogs, the websites, etc. for further stuff...
19:56:44 <wonderer> hy nmarques.
19:57:53 <mchua> wonderer: Exactly!
19:58:28 <wonderer> mchua: so, at the end it CAN be a thing like "user X has some about <template> in git (e.g. 13,4%), in blog (e.g. 7%) and his website (57,34%). Thats a hole bunch of data ;-)
19:59:27 <wonderer> mchua: but ... I do not want to disturb your talk.... sorry ;-)
19:59:39 <nmarques> people thanks for the feedback, I'll try to comply in the future with the ideas reported :)
20:00:14 <nmarques> starting to find a decent blog provider that does't cripple the RSS feeds :(
20:00:30 <wonderer> nmarques: wordpress.com e.g.
20:00:40 <nmarques> wonderer, thats what I'm using atm
20:00:53 <nmarques> wonderer, but it's crippling the feeds, only showing the first 2 lines :(
20:01:13 <anthro-diana> luckily what I'm looking for should be somewhat easier - that being people who have activiely contributed since the last release - the granular stuff is great though as I am sure I can find a use for that (numbers are fun!)
20:01:14 <wonderer> nmarquess: look what most people at http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ use. that will work...
20:01:30 <wonderer> I use wordpress myself.
20:01:48 <nmarques> wonderer, how did you made it report the feed for the full article? plugin ?
20:02:08 * mchua apologizes for the slowness, trying to read twill docs and re-remember this stuff
20:03:04 <wonderer> anthro-diana: so, mels idea would work for your research. just let the twill thing let roll over the wiki, git and blog with searching for keywords...
20:03:37 <rbergeron> i think most people on planet use wordpress
20:04:26 <wonderer> nmarques: did not know exactly what you mean... I tagged all Fedora related with "fedora" and put it into the Planet...
20:05:19 <wonderer> nmarques: you CAN use any blog-software you want of course. But most people can live with the little handycaps ;-)
20:05:52 <rbergeron> nmarques: are you having a problem with it not showing everything you've written?
20:05:58 <rbergeron> in your wordpress dashboard....
20:06:30 <rbergeron> go to settings (on hte left side)
20:06:34 <rbergeron> then reading
20:06:41 <rbergeron> "for each article in a feed, show"
20:06:47 <rbergeron> and there is a radio button for full test vs. summary
20:06:52 <rbergeron> that may be what needs to be changed
20:09:34 * mchua sidetracking now writing a guide for nmarques on the wiki :)
20:09:37 <mchua> bbiab...
20:09:58 <rbergeron> n
20:10:08 <rbergeron> mchua: letting the bot keep running? :)
20:10:31 <nmarques> rbergeron, yes
20:10:47 <nmarques> rbergeron, the feed only feeds the first 2 lines or so... but it's a wordpress issue, not planet.
20:11:13 <rbergeron> nmarques: see what i wrote above and do it on your wordpress site
20:11:19 <nmarques> mchua, thanks, I've already been looking into some documentation I've come across :)
20:11:26 <rbergeron> that option controls how much gets fed elsewhere
20:11:34 <rbergeron> the whole thing or just two lines
20:12:10 <nmarques> rbergeron, now I feel dumb ;P
20:12:23 <nmarques> rbergeron, got it :) (/blush)
20:12:37 <rbergeron> :)
20:12:43 <rbergeron> i knew it was in there, took me like 15 minutes to find it
20:12:47 <rbergeron> so no worries
20:12:53 <rbergeron> it's buried in there :)
20:16:43 <mchua> nmarques: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wiki
20:16:47 <mchua> nmarques: for you :)
20:17:01 <mchua> rbergeron: bot's still running as I gradually get myself to circle back to twill...
20:17:27 <rbergeron> mchua: did you seriously just write that whole thing :)
20:20:06 <rbergeron> oic
20:20:09 * rbergeron reads email
20:24:08 <nmarques> I've blogged that :)
20:25:48 <rrix> hmm, what time is the mktg mtg tomorrow?
20:26:33 <rbergeron> same bat time
20:26:43 <rbergeron> same as the recent bat channel
20:26:45 <rbergeron> 1pm ;)
20:26:46 <rbergeron> right?
20:26:55 <rbergeron> yeah
20:26:56 <rrix> okay
20:26:57 <rbergeron> jds2001:00utc
20:26:57 <rrix> :)
20:27:00 <rbergeron> oops
20:27:02 <rrix> I should be able to make it
20:27:03 <rbergeron> DAMN YOU IRC CLIENT
20:27:17 <rrix> rbergeron: lol, we gotta find you a Real Client :)
20:27:17 * rbergeron cries
20:27:19 <rbergeron> it's monday
20:27:20 <rbergeron> dude
20:27:24 <rbergeron> bad mondays
20:27:33 <rbergeron> i had high hopes for today too
20:27:40 <rbergeron> apparently either not high enough
20:27:41 <rbergeron> or too high
20:27:42 <rbergeron> hah
20:27:42 * nmarques points to http://www.bitchx.org
20:27:55 <rbergeron> that's what i have
20:28:06 <rbergeron> it autocompletes some of the things i say into peoples nicks
20:28:17 <rbergeron> feel free to figure out what my problem is in the config file :)
20:28:20 * rrix points to irssi.org
20:28:22 * rbergeron has looked and looked
20:28:37 <rrix> the problem is you're not on irssi :P
20:28:47 * rrix will try to make it to tomorrow's meeting but may have to leave early
20:28:49 * ke4qqq suggests rbergeron use irssi
20:29:00 <ke4qqq> you'll love it after the first week
20:29:14 <nmarques> http://ketheriel.wordpress.com/
20:29:16 <nmarques> it's blogged
20:29:17 <nmarques> :)
20:29:41 <nmarques> brb
20:29:50 * rbergeron will have to convince friend to install it on his machine for my irking fun
20:30:14 <rbergeron> nothing stays up and running around here for more than a week and i like to have screen forever :)
20:30:16 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: sudo yum install irssi
20:30:32 <rbergeron> hiemanshu: sudo not my box, dude :)
20:30:49 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: then su -c 'yum install irssi' :P
20:31:09 <nmarques> rbergeron, blackmail the BOFH and have him configure it for you ;)
20:31:45 <hiemanshu> nmarques: or give mchua ssh access and she can do it, new recurit :)
20:31:54 <rbergeron> lol
20:31:57 <rbergeron> i don't have root access
20:31:59 <rbergeron> i have no access
20:32:13 <rbergeron> i could have blackmail access, but i like just having access to a machine that is always running ;)
20:32:19 <rbergeron> without pissing off the BOFH :)
20:33:10 <rbergeron> uname -a
20:33:50 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: 4.0.14.fc26.x86_512 #1 SMP Fri Feb 19 18:55:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:35:44 <rbergeron> thanks for your update ;)
20:36:11 <hiemanshu> :)
20:36:14 <wonderer> rbergeron: this http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi helps :-)
20:36:43 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: you can compile irssi as a user
20:36:59 <rbergeron> i know, i know
20:37:07 <hiemanshu> THEN DO IT!
20:37:19 <rbergeron> lol
20:37:22 <wonderer> http://lizzie.spod.cx/screenirssi.shtml
20:37:30 <wonderer> I can do that ALL DAY LONG ;-)
20:37:34 <rbergeron> if i don't have a stable box tomorrow you'll be in trouble for convincing me
20:37:48 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: Sure
20:37:50 <rbergeron> do what all day long? screen?
20:37:52 <rbergeron> lol
20:37:54 <nmarques> rbergeron, interested on a root kit ? I have some alpha stuff to test :)
20:38:03 <rbergeron> haha
20:38:07 * hiemanshu goes wild and takes a screenshot
20:38:08 <rbergeron> no rootkits at my house plz
20:38:11 <wonderer> pump up all types of URLs that show how it works...
20:38:28 <nmarques> rbergeron, only hurts if you use OS X :)
20:38:30 * mchua rolls back around to twill
20:38:34 <mchua> #topic using twill
20:38:35 <wonderer> rootkits? are you using win$?
20:38:47 <rbergeron> rootkits started in solaris
20:38:50 <mchua> (y'all feel free to keep talking, I'll just start blathering about my experiments in here as I go ;)
20:38:53 <rbergeron> it's not an exclusive to windows thing dear :)
20:38:59 * mchua was distracted by "real work" ;)
20:39:04 <nmarques> [nmarques@barracuda ~]$ uname -a
20:39:04 <nmarques> Linux barracuda 2.6.31.12-174.2.22.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Feb 19 18:55:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:39:17 * wonderer lean back to look at mel blabberingthingy...
20:39:41 <nmarques> rbergeron, slowlaris :( I hated it
20:39:44 <hiemanshu> ok, everyone take screenshot of active windows
20:39:52 <hiemanshu> and post it here
20:40:00 <nmarques> rbergeron, took a full day to install apache 2 on it and get all the dependences running properly
20:40:03 <anthro-diana> mchua: real work? never!
20:40:04 * mchua runs "twill-sh"
20:40:06 <nmarques> rbergeron, slowlaris is no example :(
20:40:10 * mchua sees twill prompt
20:40:15 * mchua types "go https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mchua"
20:40:24 * mchua types "show"
20:40:29 <mchua> hm, this isn't quite what I was looking for
20:40:35 <hiemanshu> http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/screeny.png
20:40:54 <anthro-diana> active windows - what if you are currently running 3 computers (and actively using all of them?)
20:41:07 <mchua> hiemanshu, are you human? ;)
20:41:09 <hiemanshu> anthro-diana: then the one that has IRC on it
20:41:13 <nmarques> hiemanshu, Hades ? so you are fond of norske mythology ?
20:41:20 <hiemanshu> nmarques: yup
20:41:28 <hiemanshu> I have a Kerberos right next to it :)
20:41:30 <hiemanshu> mchua: totally
20:41:43 * wonderer nodes at anthro ... he is looking at a 4-Monitor System with multiple screen-sessions...
20:42:36 <hiemanshu> anthro-diana: I am sitting next to 4 computers and with 4 ssh sessions on
20:43:45 <mchua> oh, nope, I do want twill.
20:43:53 <mchua> I just want twill's  save_html command.
20:44:14 <hiemanshu> mchua: oh curl does that for you
20:44:51 <anthro-diana> http://cyber-anthro.com/uploads/100301-desktop.png
20:44:53 <anthro-diana> :)
20:45:22 <mchua> nice.
20:45:26 <hiemanshu> anthro-diana: SL, so you dont qualify here
20:45:47 <EvilBob> twills is nice
20:46:49 <anthro-diana> SL?
20:46:55 <nmarques> snow leopard ;P
20:46:59 <anthro-diana> haha
20:47:12 * hiemanshu recognises it from the partition line that SL makes
20:47:30 <anthro-diana> well I happen to have a really cool irc client which is why you got the SL screenshot and not the moblin one
20:48:21 <hiemanshu> anthro-diana: I have a feeling its not real Mac hardware
20:48:32 <anthro-diana> but yes I do concede that is a Mac
20:49:04 <anthro-diana> My office, while a large purchaser of Red Hat, is not an FOSS office
20:49:38 <anthro-diana> I'm lucky to have a Mac and not a Windows box - though I do have Windows 7 installed on paralles due to having to use things like sharepoint
20:49:44 <hiemanshu> anthro-diana: what hardware is it?
20:49:58 <anthro-diana> Macbook black 13" - about 4 years old
20:50:22 <hiemanshu> IIRC macbook never had a 1280x800 resolution
20:50:42 * rbergeron watches hiemanshu give the spanish inquisition ;)
20:51:07 <nmarques> rbergeron, thats a nasty thing to say
20:51:29 <mchua> oh there we go. geez, why did it take me so long to find the python api?
20:51:29 <rbergeron> is it?
20:51:51 <nmarques> rbergeron, considering I'm Portuguese and know what it was... yes...
20:52:06 * rbergeron wasn't aware; we've always used it to say "14 zillion questions"
20:52:08 <nmarques> rbergeron, we did it the same here
20:52:26 <nmarques> rbergeron, inquisition is nearly the same as holocaust
20:52:38 <rbergeron> mmmm
20:52:42 <nmarques> rbergeron, all non-catholic were persecuted and eliminated
20:52:48 * rbergeron notes that for future reconsideration of word choice!
20:53:11 <nmarques> rbergeron, it's not about burning witches in stakes, its about trashing all the church enemies
20:53:13 * hiemanshu is hungry, and wonders what he can find at 2:30 AM
20:53:37 <rbergeron> hiemanshu: taco bell? :) probably not
20:53:48 <rbergeron> that's all there is here :( and mcdonalds
20:53:49 <AamirBhutto> hiemanshu dial a dosa
20:53:51 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: we dont have a taco bell here
20:53:57 <rbergeron> hiemanshu: i figured :)
20:54:00 <rbergeron> you're better off, trust me
20:54:15 <rbergeron> that stuff is bad for you :)
20:54:30 <wonderer> nmarques: wow, the inquisition vs. holocaust is a very bad idea! remember: I'm german.
20:54:33 <mchua> .fas anthro-diana
20:54:34 <zodbot> mchua: 'anthro-diana' Not Found!
20:54:36 <rbergeron> well. except at 2am when you're starving
20:54:37 <hiemanshu> AamirBhutto: Nope, nothing like that
20:54:38 <mchua> .fas dmartin
20:54:43 <zodbot> mchua: 'dmartin' Not Found!
20:54:45 <anthro-diana> behond the power of technology: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sollitaire/4399492022/
20:54:54 <mchua> anthro-diana, what's your FAS account?
20:54:54 <anthro-diana> ;)
20:54:55 <mchua> dianam?
20:54:57 <mchua> .fas dianam
20:54:57 <zodbot> mchua: dianam 'Diana Martin' <diana@cyber-anthro.com>
20:54:58 <anthro-diana> yeah
20:55:00 <mchua> there we go.
20:55:01 <anthro-diana> :D
20:55:02 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: even if we had taco bell here, I wouldnt visit it
20:55:05 <nmarques> rbergeron, http://planet.fedoraproject.org/
20:55:07 <AamirBhutto> hiemanshu you are in mumbai ?
20:55:12 <nmarques> rbergeron, thanks, it spawned properly now :)
20:55:13 <hiemanshu> AamirBhutto: Bangalore
20:55:13 * mchua finally throwing together the little script, now that can haz twill python api docs)
20:55:50 <AamirBhutto> taco bell only got flakes :)
20:56:26 <nmarques> man
20:56:31 <nmarques> that avatar is awesome
20:56:33 <nmarques> 8)
20:56:40 <hiemanshu> nmarques: :)
20:56:43 <AamirBhutto> hiemanshu Sorav ganguly city ?
20:56:54 <hiemanshu> AamirBhutto: nope :P
20:57:01 <hiemanshu> AamirBhutto: Silicon Valley of India :)
20:57:12 <AamirBhutto> Ohh he's from kalcuta
20:57:16 <rbergeron> what is that, machiavelli?
20:57:20 <rbergeron> i should say who
20:57:29 <nmarques> rbergeron, of course :)
20:57:29 <AamirBhutto> Yeah city of computer eng.
20:57:39 <nmarques> rbergeron, one of my idols :)
20:57:48 <rbergeron> bam!
20:57:49 * rbergeron nailed it
20:57:49 <nmarques> rbergeron, "its a double joy to deceive a deceiver"
20:57:51 <rbergeron> awesome
20:58:34 * rbergeron is off for a bit
20:58:42 <rbergeron> food time for me, too
20:58:48 <rbergeron> except 2pm instead of 2am :)
20:59:05 * rbergeron dcc sends hiemanshu some food luv, non-taco-bell, all the way to bangalore
20:59:25 <rbergeron> oh look
20:59:39 <rbergeron> i scroll down and you have a whole paragraph on machiavelli
20:59:45 * rbergeron needs to l2scroll
21:00:12 <nmarques> rbergeron, ;)
21:00:31 <wonderer> nmarques: are you related to Machiavelli?
21:00:58 <wonderer> family or so?
21:01:04 <nmarques> nmarques, nope
21:01:16 <wonderer> Ah, I see.
21:01:31 <nmarques> wonderer, if I was mainstream, I would go Sun Tzu
21:01:40 <nmarques> wonderer, since I'm not mainstream, I go Machiavelli :)
21:01:56 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: I found some Ice Cream, potato chips, and some India snacks
21:02:07 <nmarques> wonderer, they both have a book named "Art of War", both of them are pretty nice readings :)
21:02:38 <wonderer> yep, I read them in the time during my university time.
21:02:49 <wonderer> long time *g*
21:02:55 * AamirBhutto watching 3 idiots.. join in :)
21:03:17 <nmarques> wonderer, you are german?
21:03:27 <nmarques> wonderer, I'm also a great fan of Nietzsche ;)
21:04:20 <wonderer> .fasino wonderer
21:04:27 <wonderer> .fasinfo wonderer
21:04:28 <zodbot> wonderer: User: wonderer, Name: Henrik Heigl, email: wonderer4711@gmx.de, Creation: 2008-07-03, IRC Nick: , Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, Extension: 5109562, GPG key ID: 0x042B3EE5, Status: active
21:04:32 <zodbot> wonderer: Unapproved Groups: magazine
21:04:36 <zodbot> wonderer: Approved Groups: marketing cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors
21:04:53 <wonderer> nmarques: there you go ;-)
21:05:15 <nmarques> wonderer, I've seen the headers of one of your emails in Deutsch... so I assumed you were german
21:05:44 <wonderer> nmarques: ich sagte ja die Inquisition mit dem Holocaust zu vergleichen ist keine gute Idee ;-)
21:05:57 <anthro-diana> I love Nietzsche
21:06:00 <nmarques> wonderer, tsk tsk
21:07:24 <wonderer> anthro-diana: you can read him online at the Gutheberg project: http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/?id=5&xid=1961&kapitel=1#gb_found
21:07:33 <nmarques> wonderer, I can answer to that, but on private
21:07:49 <anthro-diana> part of my undergrad degree is in philosophy :)
21:08:05 <anthro-diana> 19th century German is my favorite
21:08:40 <nmarques> wonderer, opa war landser bei 250 Wehrmacht
21:08:44 <wonderer> anthro-diana: Hesse, Nietzsche, Goethe, etc.
21:08:47 <nmarques> wonderer, or something like that
21:09:10 * hiemanshu screwed up his git repo, recloning it
21:09:19 <wonderer> nmarques: my condolence.
21:09:25 <hiemanshu> dang, wrong windows :(
21:09:31 <hiemanshu> window**
21:09:51 <wonderer> windows is allways wrong, so you are right ;-)
21:10:30 <hiemanshu> wonderer: I havent used windows to do anything except play games for over 2 years now :P
21:12:24 <anthro-diana> wonderer: Hegel, Schopenhauer :)
21:14:21 <hiemanshu> ricky: did you screw the css ?
21:14:24 <hiemanshu> err
21:23:28 <wonderer> anthro-diana: all the good things I read in school and later :)
21:37:10 <hiemanshu> Night everyone
21:37:46 <nmarques> hiemanshu, nn
21:42:08 <AamirBhutto> G`night hiemanshu
21:49:59 <ke4qqq> Nietzsche huh?? I was always a Kant fan - Neitzsche was ok, but never matched up. Wow  - it's been a decade since I read any good philosophy
21:51:55 <nmarques> ke4qqq, lol
21:52:10 <nmarques> ke4qqq, Nietzche kills God and gets killed by Kant soon after
21:52:43 <ke4qqq> nah, Kant wanted to kill him, but syphillis beat him to it.
21:53:08 <anthro-diana> the key to Nietzsche is to take a holistic look at his philosophy and the day in time in which he wrote it
21:53:32 <anthro-diana> then, in my opinion, it becomes a wonderful critique on society
21:53:45 <anthro-diana> but I'll admit I'm biased
21:53:47 <nmarques> anthro-diana, it's still valid in our days
21:54:13 <nmarques> anthro-diana, "freedom", "free as in free speech", could it be applied like a part of Nietzsche's Super Man ?
21:54:15 <anthro-diana> indeed, but he is oft misquoted/half quoted and thus taken completely out of context
21:54:18 <nmarques> anthro-diana, I would agree so
21:55:27 <nmarques> ke4qqq, you don't need pholosophy ;)
21:56:20 <nmarques> ke4qqq, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1817848131611744924#
21:56:30 <nmarques> ke4qqq, when u get bored
22:00:24 <ke4qqq> yes I'll admit the manner of his death biased me at an early age - so I always thought he was of ill-repute to begin with
22:01:17 <ke4qqq> and honestly haven't had a lot of time for rereading - and German translated to English is always hard reading - reading the german was more fun, but my german was never advanced enough to let me read at any speed.
23:02:52 <mchua> #endmeeting