18:02:09 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight
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18:02:13 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
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18:02:15 <hiemanshu> stickster: I will be here for some time though
18:02:21 <stickster> #chair pcalarco mchua hiemanshu rbergeron
18:02:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: hiemanshu mchua pcalarco rbergeron stickster
18:02:28 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:02:30 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: hola
18:02:30 * stickster 
18:02:33 * hiemanshu is kinda here
18:03:05 * mchua 
18:03:11 <pcalarco> pcalarco
18:03:36 <stickster> #info Present: stickster pcalarco mchua hiemanshu
18:03:57 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Meeting_agenda:_2010-04-08 <-- Agenda
18:04:24 <stickster> I'm going to be moving really fast. I have a 3pm today, and a bunch of things I have to finish before that happens that unfortunately don't involve Insight :-)
18:04:35 <stickster> #topic Theming/Design
18:04:49 <stickster> hiemanshu: Want to tell us where we stand on theming/skin/etc.?
18:05:16 <hiemanshu> stickster: we have some open tickets
18:05:17 <stickster> (If you have time, this is really all we're looking for -- don't let us keep you from other responsibilities.)
18:05:31 <hiemanshu> and I will only have time this weekend, because I am stuck between college and $dayjob
18:05:49 <hiemanshu> I think a sprint this weekend will work well
18:05:59 <hiemanshu> if pcalarco is fine with it
18:06:15 <stickster> Looks like ticket 2007 is closed, 2009 is still pending right?
18:06:22 <hiemanshu> Yes
18:06:29 <hiemanshu> .ticket 2009
18:06:30 <zodbot> hiemanshu: #2009 (Create RSS functionality for Fedora Insight content) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2009
18:06:35 <pcalarco> I can't devote much time this weekend, but if we can define a window to work in that works here
18:06:50 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: any specific time?
18:06:55 <pcalarco> 2009 is ready to close as far as I am concerned
18:07:02 <pcalarco> RSS works in my testing
18:07:21 <mchua> I can do things if given instructions.
18:07:32 <stickster> pcalarco: So we have RSS separate feeds for each pubtype now?
18:07:33 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: I will contact you after the meeting
18:07:47 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: work for me
18:07:51 <mchua> mmcgrath was here earlier asking if we were going to (1) be ready for F13 and (2) have RSS feeds for start.fp.o to consume (a feed of the headlines, basically).
18:07:52 <hiemanshu> stickster: AFAIK yes
18:07:53 <pcalarco> we have a main RSS feed for everything that hits the main page'
18:08:00 * rbergeron is back... sorry i'm late
18:08:15 <pcalarco> eventually we may want that to be more nuanced, but I think it is fine for launch
18:08:26 <stickster> pcalarco: OK, we need a separate ticket to create separate feeds then.
18:08:42 <stickster> That ticket is confusing because it's trying to capture two separate needs, one of which is longer-term
18:08:44 <pcalarco> stickster: correct, when those get articulated
18:08:53 <stickster> pcalarco: Can you file a new ticket for the "one feed per pubtype" need?
18:09:01 <stickster> Then we can close 2009
18:09:02 <pcalarco> stickster: will do
18:09:19 <stickster> #action pcalarco File a new ticket for enhancement of separate RSS feed per pubtype
18:09:25 <stickster> #undo
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18:09:30 <stickster> #action pcalarco File a new ticket for enhancement of separate RSS feed per pubtype, cc itbegins
18:09:32 <mchua> Is there a way to get a feed of just the headlines, for mmcgrath and the start.fp.o page?
18:09:38 * mchua can make another ticket if that's another ticket
18:09:51 <stickster> mchua: The RSS feed will have a headline embedded with each item, that seems like just an extraction problem
18:09:55 <pcalarco> mchua: yes that would be another ticket
18:09:57 <stickster> The same way that your reader does it
18:10:12 <stickster> pcalarco: I don't think it's necessarily a separate need
18:10:25 <stickster> I think it's handled -- for instance, I saw a "FWN 220" title in my reader already
18:10:32 <stickster> mchua: Does that make sense?
18:10:45 * mchua is a bit puzzled.
18:10:50 <stickster> The RSS itself is XML content, and there's an element in each item in the feed that alrady gives a headline (title).
18:11:11 <mchua> Oh, ok, so that can just be parsed. No problem. That's #2009 that I should point Mike towards?
18:11:14 <stickster> mchua: Right
18:11:22 <stickster> Thanks, I should have said "parsing" and it would have been clearer.
18:11:23 * mchua will do that.
18:11:24 <mchua> thanks.
18:11:40 <stickster> #action mchua will point mmcgrath at ticket 2009 to see that RSS now provides headline/title
18:12:11 <stickster> #action pcalarco hiemanshu will close ticket 2009
18:12:29 <stickster> I see the weighting problem is back, pcalarco reopened that bug (properly)
18:12:39 <stickster> itbegins thought he fixed that last week
18:12:57 <pcalarco> stickster: I can't figure out how this is supposed to work, just need some guidance from itbegins
18:13:10 <stickster> pcalarco: Maybe I can help with that, it would have to be tomorrow though.
18:13:23 <stickster> If it's just a "how does it work" problem maybe our two heads will be better than one
18:13:33 <stickster> Or we can both give up and email him, no worse right?
18:14:03 <pcalarco> I put in each beat in the order it should be published in, and applied a lower number so that they would be in explicit order, and it is a bit of a mess
18:14:09 <stickster> Yup
18:14:11 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4&filter=issue:eq:220
18:14:22 <stickster> pcalarco: Yeah, that looked really icky.
18:14:31 <stickster> pcalarco: Shall we get together tomorrow to look at this problem again?
18:14:34 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, that would work, thanks
18:14:52 <pcalarco> stickster: agreed.  I will email you offline to look at times. I am flexible
18:15:03 <stickster> OK
18:15:28 <stickster> #action pcalarco email stickster to set up a time on Friday 2010-04-09 to look at weighting problem, and then figure out if we need to ask itbegins for more work
18:15:41 <stickster> I think that's it for design/theming
18:15:46 <stickster> Anything else here? (30 sec)
18:15:54 <pcalarco> not here
18:16:19 <stickster> #topic Logistics
18:16:28 <stickster> FASAuth status
18:16:30 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/109
18:17:07 <pcalarco> who owns the testing part of this?
18:17:35 <rbergeron> it's not assigned - i'm not sure if ke4qqq was going to do it or maybe hiemanshu
18:18:14 <stickster> We got our answers about the configuration from itbegins, so that part's good to go.
18:18:17 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: wasn't me
18:18:41 <rbergeron> does it actually work with multiple levels of FAS groups and such?
18:18:48 <pcalarco> we could recruit some of our editors to apply to cmsadmin or a new FAS group and test
18:19:00 <stickster> rbergeron: I don't think figured that out yet.
18:19:05 <rbergeron> okay -
18:19:09 <stickster> rbergeron: Could you write that question in the ticket so we don't lose it?
18:19:17 <rbergeron> yup
18:19:27 * stickster thinks that ticket needs to capture any unresolved questions, so that we know what to do with it.
18:19:37 <pcalarco> being a member of cmsadmin seems to give one admin rights only in Zikula
18:19:38 <stickster> Otherwise we keep scratching our heads each week asking, "What does this mean?"
18:19:57 <stickster> pcalarco: In a good sense?
18:20:29 <pcalarco> in a bad sense, meaning we can't use that FAS group to distinguish between different authorization levels in Zikula
18:20:41 <stickster> pcalarco: If there's a question you have about how FASAuth should work, that we need to assess and test, put it in that ticket too please!
18:20:43 <rbergeron> i'm basically blocked on writing documentation on how to get poeple in until we either (a) get multiple levels of permissions or (b) just make the call on if everyone is going to be in the cmsadmin group
18:20:44 <pcalarco> writer, editor, Zikula admin
18:20:57 * rbergeron will keep cutting and pasting
18:20:59 <stickster> pcalarco: We should really create separate FAS groups foreach of those.
18:21:01 <rbergeron> into the ticket
18:21:12 <stickster> I think I noted that previously -- maybe rbergeron can capture that as a TODO in that ticket.
18:21:20 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, agreed
18:21:21 <stickster> cmsadmin, cmswriter, cmseditor
18:21:23 <rbergeron> yes - i think that was originally the intent of the ticket
18:21:27 <stickster> rbergeron: Cool
18:21:28 <rbergeron> or getting into this ticket
18:21:36 <rbergeron> then we discovered that the fas to cmsadmin part was broken
18:21:44 <rbergeron> so that i believe is what is fixed thus far -
18:21:46 <stickster> And I think that's supposed to be fixed now
18:21:48 <stickster> right
18:21:54 <rbergeron> biut the multiple layers of permissions is unknown
18:22:03 <pcalarco> yes
18:22:53 <rbergeron> who wants to take this ticket / issue?
18:22:57 <stickster> Can we agree to dive into that before Monday? Make groups, assign people, try them out?
18:22:58 <pcalarco> cmswriter could be anyone with CLA signed; cmseditor would require sponsorship, etc.
18:23:12 <stickster> We'll hash out the details for that outside this meeting.
18:23:50 <pcalarco> I am willing to help test with this but need help from whomever setting the FAS groups up and such
18:23:55 <stickster> #action stickster rbergeron pcalarco to examine Fedora Insight access levels by Monday to exercise/test FASAuth.
18:24:07 <stickster> i have 'accounts' membership which means I can create groups and move people around and such.
18:24:10 <rbergeron> stickster: shall we see if we can even do that? i was under impression that the FAS to zikula groups needed to be hardcoded
18:24:31 <stickster> rbergeron: Let's make that part of the work.
18:24:34 <hiemanshu> yup
18:24:39 <hiemanshu> but this would still work for me
18:24:40 <rbergeron> Can we agree that cmsadmin, cmswriter, cmseditor are the FAS groups we need
18:24:42 <hiemanshu> err
18:24:48 <rbergeron> at a basic level?
18:24:56 <rbergeron> we can at least get them set up in FAS
18:25:00 <rbergeron> so we can start testing tomorrow
18:25:05 <rbergeron> or "before monday"
18:25:06 <rbergeron> :)
18:25:06 <stickster> rbergeron: Sure, to start with. I can see that later we might even have writer/editor groups for each pubtype.
18:25:09 * hiemanshu is sorry about the wrong window typing
18:25:11 <stickster> But those three work for now.
18:25:16 <stickster> np hiemanshu :-)
18:25:34 <stickster> #agreed Make groups for cmsadmin, cmswriter, cmseditor and work with them for nwo.
18:25:36 <stickster> #undo
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18:25:38 <stickster> #agreed Make groups for cmsadmin, cmswriter, cmseditor and work with them for now.
18:25:49 <rbergeron> UGH, i hate trac - how did i just do that
18:26:00 * rbergeron put everything into description instead of comments
18:26:04 <rbergeron> fail, fail fail
18:26:13 <rbergeron> actually, i love trac, i just am silly
18:26:51 <stickster> OK, and itbegins commented on ticket 2006 -- the workflow will come in with the rest of the content in the DB
18:27:06 <stickster> I think that answers the ticket properly, correct pcalarco?
18:27:13 <stickster> .ticket 2006
18:27:14 <zodbot> stickster: #2006 (Create forms in Zikula on staging for Fedora Insight content workflow) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2006
18:27:37 <pcalarco> I am continuing to test with newissues of FWN
18:28:12 <pcalarco> once the weighting issue is resolved, FWN is ready to rock
18:28:16 <stickster> Excellent!
18:28:24 <stickster> OK, anything more on Logistics then?
18:28:39 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, 2006
18:28:44 <stickster> See above
18:28:58 <pcalarco> stickster: yes this answers it
18:29:02 <stickster> awesome!
18:29:13 <stickster> OK, I did a crummy job of updating our agenda, but I'm working through it and will do better next week.
18:29:17 <stickster> Anyhow
18:29:30 * stickster using last meeting's notes to get through
18:29:48 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-01/fedora_insight.2010-04-01-18.00.html
18:30:04 <stickster> Oh, this was supposed to be cleared from the agenda!
18:31:18 * mchua commented on workflow on the meeting notes
18:31:21 <mchua> er, content workflow
18:31:35 <mchua> when it gets to that point - I made that diagram, so can answer questions and do stuff with it if stuff needs to get done.
18:32:17 <stickster> OK, mchua, it seems like the only next thing that needs to happen is whoever owns that content workflow needs to jump in to Zikula and define how it works. pcalarco, you did that for FWN right?
18:32:38 <pcalarco> I will work on documentation this weekend, I should be able to finish it then
18:33:00 <stickster> The workflow, AIUI, simply defines who's allowed to create/change content, who can approve it for publication, and things like that.
18:33:03 <pcalarco> workflow docs that it
18:33:22 * mchua not sure if this means she's supposed to do something, or if pcalarco has the diagram and can run with it.
18:33:30 <stickster> i.e. it's based on rules in the interface that any admin can set up. Is that correct?
18:34:11 <stickster> mchua: I think we're trying *not* to add more Insight/Marketing things to your plate.
18:34:14 <pcalarco> yes, this and the pubtype templates
18:34:17 <rbergeron> but...... we need to have the groups set up, yes?
18:34:35 <stickster> rbergeron: It would probably be helpful.
18:34:52 * mchua nods.
18:34:54 <mchua> appreciated. :)
18:35:00 <stickster> #info Setting up further workflows probably require or would be very much helped by groups.
18:35:08 <pcalarco> yes, groups needed
18:35:27 * stickster proposes that he will plan to spend time on Zikula on Saturday afternoon.
18:35:42 <stickster> Maybe Sunday too.
18:35:59 <stickster> My meeting schedule of late is just too heavy for me to do much during the week.
18:37:02 <stickster> OK, we'll try to look at groups tomorrow afternoon, and then move on to trying to set up another workflow just to make sure we understand it.
18:37:10 <stickster> Does that work?
18:37:33 <rbergeron> sounds good.
18:37:40 <pcalarco> sounds good
18:37:46 <stickster> OK
18:38:03 <stickster> #action stickster to drive Friday afternoon session on groups, likely around 4:00pm Eastern or after
18:38:28 <stickster> #topic Documentation
18:38:46 <stickster> pcalarco already talked a bit about the FI workflow documentation needed, that flows right out of the last topic.
18:39:10 <stickster> I'm supposed to help with that, should be easier if we're working on it tomorrow at a set time :-)
18:39:42 <pcalarco> my schedule is open, I can move meetings around tomorrow
18:39:42 <stickster> rbergeron: You had an item to add any outstanding marketing-team tickets to the Content topic for the next agenda (er, this one) -- can you do that for next time, if there are any?
18:40:15 <stickster> pcalarco: Awesome... I have a 3pm tomorrow I believe
18:41:01 <rbergeron> stickster: yes
18:41:12 <stickster> #action stickster and pcalarco to finish [[Fedora Insight Workflow]] with instructions that come out of tomorrow's (2010-04-09) work
18:41:30 <stickster> #action rbergeron Add marketing-team tickets for FI content to the "Content" topic for next meeting agenda on [[Insight]] page
18:41:50 <stickster> Yikes. I feel like we didn't get very much done this past week on FI beyond itbegins fixing a couple things for us.
18:41:51 <stickster> But
18:42:10 <stickster> He did say, specifically, that he *really* appreciated that we had clearly outlined the precise things we needed him to work on and answer.
18:42:23 <stickster> That very much helped him laser-focus on them and bang them out on Thursday evening.
18:42:30 <stickster> So good work on that, guys!
18:43:08 <stickster> I tooled around FI a little while he was working, trying to learn a bit about the system. I know about 15% more than I did before, which is... well, better but not good enough yet.
18:43:31 <stickster> But I watched itbegins make a few changes, and that helped me understand what he was doing and how it worked.
18:43:33 <stickster> Somehwat.
18:43:53 <rbergeron> :)
18:44:09 <stickster> I'll try to devote more time to this over the next 5-6 days.
18:44:44 <stickster> The Board SWG looks to be close to done, which means a bit more time will open up for me. Or rather, I'll be less overextended than before!
18:44:48 <stickster> Either way is good :-)
18:45:20 <stickster> OK, moving topic...
18:45:25 <stickster> #topic All Other Business (AOB)
18:45:51 <stickster> I want to suggest that if we are not substantially ready to roll in about 2 weeks, we are going to need to wave FI off until after F13 release.
18:46:19 <stickster> By "ready to roll" I mean, have moved to official staging and are resolving minor problems, as opposed to missing functionality
18:47:00 <stickster> The missing functionality right now:
18:47:04 <stickster> * A few styling issues
18:47:15 <stickster> * FASAuth more questions than answers at this moment, but might be simpler than we think
18:47:39 <stickster> oops
18:47:44 <stickster> Wrong key!
18:47:58 <rbergeron> lol
18:48:00 <stickster> * Weighting problem
18:48:12 <stickster> That's the biggies as I see it.
18:48:23 <stickster> I'm projecting that we'll be ready to have FWN on the feed and not much else yet.
18:48:36 <stickster> The "general marketing content moves to FI" stage would come post-F13
18:48:50 <rbergeron> I don't know that fasauth is going to be a huge blocker - we could certainly at least work around it for a bit if absolutely necessary
18:48:52 <stickster> Is there anyone who wants to add to or correct that list?
18:48:59 <rbergeron> i should say
18:49:07 <rbergeron> s/is going / has to be
18:49:24 <stickster> Well... basically you're right, rbergeron, and I agree.
18:49:33 <stickster> We could carry around a separate database for authentication.
18:49:33 <rbergeron> i just hate to keep pushing out FI - having a sense of urgency really helps us to need to get it done
18:49:37 <stickster> Yeah
18:49:47 <stickster> I'm really hopeful that FASAuth is not as big a deal as we think
18:49:51 <rbergeron> me too
18:49:56 <stickster> and that part of the problem is just having the groups up and tested.
18:51:00 <stickster> #idea Big Come to $DEITY meeting next week to see if we have *substantially* advanced our progress to the extent that we're feeling good about rolling out to staging.
18:51:32 <stickster> I'm guessing that hiemanshu will help us with the moving of stuff from pt6 -> stg
18:51:38 * rbergeron nods
18:51:44 <stickster> Now that we know exactly what to back up and carry from one host to another.
18:51:48 <mchua> Anything it would be useful to relay up to the zikula list for help?
18:52:01 <mchua> itbegins suggested shouting-out to http://groups.google.com/group/zikula-discussions
18:52:20 <stickster> mchua: For which type of help?
18:52:27 <mchua> I've got that context email I can send out in a moment if people want to follow up on it with a more updated version of things we need to know.
18:52:36 <mchua> stickster: Anything we'd normally ask itbegins for, that could be answered by any other zikula-hacker.
18:52:58 <stickster> I don't think we're lacking knowledge of Zikula so much as testing our own specific Fedora piece (FASAuth) and learning the cotton-pickin' system so that we can run it.
18:53:09 <stickster> sorry,  s/knowledge/hacking/
18:53:47 <stickster> All of us (other than mchua) will need to roll up sleeves and jump in if we want this to be ready.
18:53:59 <stickster> Otherwise the urgency is somewhat of a red herring :-)
18:54:04 * rbergeron nods
18:54:19 <stickster> But I think on the whole everyone here understands that
18:54:37 <stickster> And we'll use part of the next 5 days to do said jumping/plunging!
18:54:58 <stickster> OK, I'm set for another meeting in ~5 min
18:55:14 <stickster> I'll leave the floor open for a minute to see if there's any other AOB
18:55:56 <rbergeron> stickster: i think the word you're looking for is "plow"... not jumping / plunging :)
18:56:02 <stickster> plow!
18:56:02 <rbergeron> ploowwwwwing.
18:56:03 <stickster> There you go
18:56:06 <stickster> LORD OF THE PLOW.
18:56:08 <hiemanshu> stickster: yes I will be doing that
18:56:18 <stickster> hiemanshu: Thank you sir!
18:56:46 <stickster> hiemanshu: I have a minimum amount of puppet skill and may be able to lend a hand if needed
18:57:36 <hiemanshu> stickster: I am sure nb can help with tat
18:57:45 <stickster> cool!
18:57:50 <stickster> All right, I think that's all for today then
18:57:52 <stickster> #endmeeting