around LWN articles so I could make the style specific -- i.e. for LWN articles, treat the subheadings in a certain way 18:13:58 stickster: there are divs for almost everything IIRC 18:14:03 sweet 18:14:19 If there's an @id or a @class so I can tell LWN articles apart, I'll see about using that. 18:14:43 stickster: well with a little messing around I can do that 18:14:46 * stickster has done a little bit of his own CSS e.g. based paul.frields.org on someone else's work 18:14:46 stickster: FWN, you mean :) 18:14:51 sorry, FWN 18:14:55 pcalarco: free are the meeting I have some time 18:15:00 err 18:15:09 pcalarco: I am free after the meeting, I have some time 18:15:36 hiemanshu: I am basically not available after this meeting until 4/27, I am traveling to China tomorrow 18:15:53 awill is doing editorial duties for next FWN issue 18:16:21 hiemanshu: Do you need pcalarco there? 18:16:45 I will republish FWN 221 on FI tonight, and you can hack away at making it look better perhaps 18:16:45 stickster: just some guidelines 18:17:02 hiemanshu: guidelines for what? I can try to help if I know what you want 18:17:19 stickster: on what is what and how it should look 18:17:27 hiemanshu: I may be able to help then 18:17:35 I can hack on my own, but I always love ssecond opinions 18:17:38 * stickster will stand in for pcalarco as much as he can 18:17:47 That way you can get on with your work 18:17:50 OK? 18:17:54 stickster: thanks 18:18:11 pcalarco: btw hope you bump into my dad :P (he left for china yest) 18:18:20 OK, let's move on 18:18:25 We have a bunch of stuff to get to! 18:18:32 +/- 1? 18:18:36 go ahead 18:18:37 +1 18:18:43 #topic Logistics 18:18:50 OK, FASAuth status 18:19:06 We know that the plugin works for granting cmsadmin and exchanging that properly with the Administrators group rights on Zikula. 18:19:30 We put a bit of time on Friday into testing that, and also trying to get separate writers' and editors' groups going. 18:19:37 I am also able to log in and I am cmseditors group 18:19:45 pcalarco: right, getting to that 18:19:58 So the problem is, the code that I tried didn't work properly. 18:20:16 It *automatically* grants Zikula groups for Editors and Writers 18:20:24 Which is not quite the right thing! ;-D 18:20:40 So I would propose that we not be quite as ambitious 18:20:44 For another reason too -- 18:21:04 Which is that we're still in the mode of trying to encourage people to help edit and run things on the CMS, both for FWN and beyond 18:21:28 If we keep everyone together in the cmsadmin/"Admins" groups, people can basically help with anything. 18:21:36 That may not be ideal for a very large shared project 18:21:53 But for right now we have so few people there's no reason for us to spin wheels on complicated authentication schemes. 18:22:04 * rbergeron nods 18:22:15 We know for a fact that the password authentication is working, and that 'cmsadmin' membership gives you Administrators rights on Zikula. 18:22:18 Which is enough for now. 18:22:25 okay - so i agree we should do this 18:22:41 mostly because i just need to know something so i can write documentation on how to grant access :) 18:22:42 #info Multi-group access is harder than we have time to do, and for now it may not matter anyway -- we're not at the point of needing to pen people up 18:23:22 It's possible itbegins could fix this up in just a few minutes 18:23:38 stickster: +1 from me too 18:23:40 But it seems like something that is easily done post-production, *as long as* we know that FASAuth and the admin privs work right. 18:23:41 i've gotten the impression that it's not an extremely quick fix 18:23:50 rbergeron: It might not be 18:23:51 * rbergeron nods 18:24:08 stickster: from what you and i tried it doesn't seem to be an easy fix, at the bare minimum :) 18:24:08 I don't know for sure. I know the fix I did was halfway there, but who knows how hard the other half is :-) 18:24:24 So should we call this agreed? To stay with just cmsadmin/Admins for now? 18:24:27 stickster: have to run now, see you in about an hour or so 18:24:36 Thank you hiemanshu, see you soon 18:24:38 yes - agreed 18:24:50 i don't want it to be permanent though, if we can avoid it. 18:24:56 #info FASAuth works, and properly syncs the cmsadmin/Administrators groups 18:25:32 rbergeron: Right -- it needn't be. Once a technical RFE is filled, it's actually quite easy to manipulate people into groups and move on 18:26:19 so basically - for this piece of documentation - we just need to basically inform people that they need to apply in FAS for access to cmsadmin, correct? 18:26:21 #agreed Use a single cmsadmin/Administrators group for now, and look into a RFE for multi-group access if/when we have enough people working on the system to demand it 18:26:27 rbergeron: That is correct, ma'am! 18:26:58 do we need detailed screenshots for this or.... i mean this really seems like the easiest kind of documentation there is, at this point :) 18:27:07 rbergeron: No screenshots needed. 18:27:22 sweet 18:27:38 * rbergeron 's task just got a lot easier 18:27:40 :D 18:27:55 #action rbergeron to complete documentation for getting access 18:27:59 Cool? 18:28:11 yes - let me make sure i know where to document it 18:28:21 * rbergeron goes and looks so we're all on the same page - figuratively and literally 18:28:27 * rbergeron is so punny 18:28:33 I partially documented this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow 18:29:10 indeed 18:29:10 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow#User_Accounts 18:29:23 so - we need to just alter this to be "cmsadmin" 18:29:31 rbergeron: yes 18:29:35 and state that all accounts are going into the cmsadmin bucket, correct? 18:29:42 rbergeron: yes 18:29:54 rbergeron: Right, there are only 2 types now, users and admins. 18:31:04 OK, move on to Docs then? 18:31:04 oh, you're right. 18:31:25 waiiiit - so i'm reading this 18:31:32 i just want to be clear 18:31:46 so - users log in with their FAS accounts 18:32:03 but if they want to contribute anything - they have to apply for cmsadmin 18:32:11 so essentially - regular users / readers won't be logging in 18:32:19 correct? 18:32:20 rbergeron: correct 18:32:45 Only if they want to make use of some sort of account priv like feedback comments, or something like that, at a later date 18:32:50 one just needs an account if you want to contribute content 18:33:20 Let's hit the Docs side of things now 18:33:25 +/- 1? 18:33:31 +1 18:34:12 #topic Documentation 18:34:26 I completed documentation for FWN workflow and this is ready for another set of eyes 18:34:31 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_FWN_Workflow 18:34:35 * stickster looking at that page right now 18:34:38 Great job pcalarco! 18:35:02 * stickster volunteers to be that pair of eyes 18:35:09 #action stickster to read and correct workflow pages for FWN 18:35:18 #undo 18:35:19 Removing item from minutes: 18:35:22 Oops, didn't want that to sound wrong 18:35:25 stickseter: feel free to tweak as necessary 18:35:29 #action stickster to read and edit, correct as necessary the workflow pages for FWN 18:35:33 :-) 18:36:14 As for general news 18:36:34 I think there's still some work to be done there 18:37:12 #action stickster to read general news workflow page and send comments and questions to logistics@ list 18:38:46 rbergeron: Would you agree? Is it OK for me to do a once-over on that page and try and tease out exactly what we need there? 18:38:54 I might be able to actually *write* some of it as I go 18:39:27 stickster - i think that is dandy. 18:39:39 rbergeron: Awesome! 18:39:42 \o/ 18:40:17 * rbergeron will brb -doorbell 18:40:18 The last bit in the agenda, the Marketing trac report, is for reference, although I've hit it and am going to make sure we've closed anything that deserves it 18:40:34 pcalarco: I want to give rbergeron a minute because we'll need her for the next segment of the agenda 18:40:42 #topic All Other Business (AOB) 18:40:58 #info Production needs to go up around 4/27 18:41:24 pcalarco: That means you won't be around then -- Monday 27 April -- but you will be around for the FWN after that? 18:42:02 Wed 29 April 18:42:37 * stickster sips his water 18:42:39 okay - i'm back 18:42:56 rbergeron: Cool, see above -- we finished out with docs and we're talking about the production schedule 18:42:58 one sec, on the phone; reading 18:43:03 Np pcalarco 18:43:06 I'll brief the meeting :-) 18:43:12 * rbergeron nods 18:43:26 mmcgrath wisely pointed out that anything we're production ready for really needs to be out on the wire by 4/27 18:43:27 stickster: yes, I will be back for 4/29 issue 18:43:31 * rbergeron was hoping for a laptop from the UPS man but instead it was books which were not worth running to the door for 18:43:44 I think we are basically ready, modulo the following risk factors: 18:43:53 * Finishing the skin properly 18:44:07 * Ensuring the FWN and general news workflows are documented properly and work as promised 18:44:22 These are the blockers. 18:44:47 I think we can finish these but we'll all need to put some time in -- other than pcalarco who is on travel! :-) 18:45:21 rbergeron: hiemanshu: I can be around on Sunday to do some work here 18:45:28 And on Friday afternoon/evening 18:45:38 stickster: sunday suits me best 18:45:53 hiemanshu: OK, noted 18:45:59 Sunday is probably better for me too, honestly 18:46:04 sunday is best for me as well - 18:46:07 great!~ 18:46:24 i have to drive down to phx on friday - and somewhere in there we're having a 6pm meeting for FAD NA stuff 18:46:27 well, 6pm my time 18:46:34 I'll plan to be around by about 1500 UTC -- that's 11:00am Eastern 18:46:39 I know that rbergeron won't be there until later 18:46:44 hiemanshu: What's your TZ? 18:47:16 stickster: i can pop in on sunday morning. we'll still be at the in-laws house == free babysitting :) 18:47:21 stickster: +5.5 18:47:51 hiemanshu: OK, would that time work for you? 18:47:59 * stickster can do earlier 18:48:11 stickster: any time upto 4 PM EST works for me 18:48:37 hiemanshu: Awesome 18:48:40 OK 18:49:12 #action stickster hiemanshu rbergeron Rendezvous on #fedora-mktg anytime after 1500 UTC on Sun 2010-04-18 to work on workflow doc and skin issues 18:49:35 smooge: Are you here to listen in from Infra? 18:49:39 Or should I ping mmcgrath? 18:49:58 * stickster wants to make sure we capture what's required to go from pt6 to staging on the Infra side, and then staging to production. 18:50:06 (for sake of notes and clarity) 18:50:17 please, please do stickster :) 18:50:36 #topic Infrastructure sync up 18:50:47 stickster: I am kind of infra-ish, I think I can help 18:51:17 hiemanshu: Oh, of course! 18:51:35 Sorry hiemanshu, I thought you need to be afk and didn't want to bug you too much :-) 18:51:56 stickster: Well I got back earlier 18:51:58 We have a list of all the files and content that need to be copied, apart from the Zikula db of course 18:52:29 itbegins noted them in ticket #2006 for us 18:53:05 hiemanshu: If we want to be on production by 4/27, what does that tell us about deadlines for the skin and the docs? 18:53:29 stickster: it takes atleast a couple of days to get stuff on like the DB etc, and testing 18:53:45 so 24 should be a deadline, with a day of slipage 18:54:03 hiemanshu: OK, will you have enough time between now and, say, 4/22 or 4/23 to have the skin complete? 18:54:24 I think the docs we can have done by then, especially if we work on it this weekend 18:54:27 stickster: I have the weekends off, so I am free those days 18:54:49 hiemanshu: Awesome! So does that mean you can complete the skin by 4/22 or 4/23? 18:55:20 stickster: yup 18:55:20 #info stickster asserts we can have docs done by 4/22 or 4/23 18:55:29 #info hiemanshu asserts he can have skin done by 4/22 or 4/23 18:55:56 #info hiemanshu says, We need to get staging up around 4/24 18:56:04 hiemanshu: ^^ correct? 18:56:20 stickster: yup 18:56:25 \o/ 18:56:48 #info If we hit the above deadlines, we can be ready for a 4/27 production deployment that will serve FWN and general news. 18:57:07 Well folks, I think that was the only AOB I had to cover 18:57:09 Anyone else? 18:57:11 * stickster eof 18:57:18 stickster: you wanted to cover marketing stuff? 18:57:33 * rbergeron has no AOB 18:57:42 rbergeron: Anything in specific? 18:57:43 * hiemanshu has nothing 18:57:49 * stickster memory not so good as he's staring 40 down the barrel 18:58:18 * hiemanshu feels young 18:58:22 i have nothing specific. :) 18:58:26 hiemanshu: You *are*! 18:58:30 OK 18:58:35 Then I think that's a wrap everyone 18:58:41 * rbergeron will be here to help sunday :) 18:58:47 I'm going to leave the channel open for another minute or two in case pcalarco wanted to add anything 18:58:54 * stickster holds gavel until 1900 UTC 19:00:48 stickster: nothing to add here 19:00:57 Okay pcalarco -- I hope you have a great trip 19:01:02 And thank you for all your hard work 19:01:08 stickster: thanks! 19:01:14 * stickster will try to make sure adamw is OK 19:01:14 pcalarco: safe journey 19:01:20 #endmeeting