15:07:02 #startmeeting 15:07:02 Meeting started Mon May 17 15:07:02 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:07:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:07:05 #chair quaid 15:07:05 Current chairs: mchua quaid 15:07:26 quaid was mentioning in another channel about the evolution towards our current https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes and what they used to be before. 15:07:38 and I went "ooh, a history lesson opportunity" 15:07:59 qqhave a good un 15:08:21 * quaid kicks his irssi connection 15:08:28 * wonderer puts some [*]3 into the ring ;-) 15:08:30 ok, back 15:08:57 so, I'll be loose with dates and details, and stickster can correct me ... 15:09:07 we used to have about 3 locations where we'd do an overview of the release. 15:09:19 * a single wiki page with a laundry list of upgrades 15:09:26 * release notes overview 15:09:31 * various announcement 15:09:53 And none of them particularly more attractive than our existing release notes 15:10:01 paul and I tried to define what a modified process would be like with a single source for multiple targets. 15:10:20 for example, that became the talking points. 15:11:05 which had another purpose, allowing a localized team to write a useful release in a native language, using a native idiomatic "fun" approach (the whimsical approach) 15:11:22 * mchua digging to see if we can find examples of those old results 15:11:59 but we never really got a good handle wrapped around the multiple overview approach, because we were probably trying to .. well, do the marketing without really doing it as marketing. 15:12:32 so we wanted that owned by a marketing group, who could define it; and it took a few releases to even get other people to see that vision, or rather, make it better so it made sense from my inane ramblings. 15:12:54 Was this back in the days before the ambassador/marketing split? 15:13:02 somewhere in there it became clear our Really Big Release Notes were not cutting it for quick understanding and PR. 15:13:03 Not that far back 15:13:32 also, we cooked up big notes for Alpha, with translation, and that work got 50% replaced by Beta, then 25% more by final, so we all did lots of throw away work. 15:13:45 that's the main reason we started the one-page wiki-based release notes for the Alpha and Beta 15:13:52 (then called Test 1, Test 2, etc.) 15:14:03 then we could edit it right up to test release, etc. 15:14:19 it was also a good PR tool, point it out for journalists, etc. 15:14:34 so I think the current one-page covers all those needs: 15:14:38 * overview for the public 15:14:41 * good face on the release 15:14:50 * list of talking points addressed 15:14:56 * more attractive 15:15:01 * not done by Docs 15:15:13 * professional sauce 15:15:17 as I recall it 15:15:32 yeah, there are tons of examples on the wiki 15:16:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F9_talking_points 15:18:41 The one-page release notes started in F12 when Sparks asked me if we could make a shiny, shorter version of the release notes Docs came out with 15:18:54 it was originally supposed to be a joint Marketing/Docs thing, ended up being a Marketing thing. 15:19:12 it replaced this one: 15:19:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora10 15:19:28 the "fedora tour" before we had fedora-tour (as in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour) 15:21:17 And I believe this concludes our history lesson for the day. :) 15:21:24 * mchua wraps logs, posts to wiki and list 15:21:29 thank you for the history lesson, quaid and stickster! 15:21:32 #endmeeting