18:00:43 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight (agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda)
18:00:43 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 26 18:00:43 2010 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:46 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
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18:00:52 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:01:00 * jsmith is here
18:01:03 * stickster 
18:01:15 * rbergeron 
18:02:21 * rbergeron peeks around
18:02:25 * stickster proceeds, we'll probably pick up a few as we go
18:02:45 * MarkDude is watching
18:02:53 * rbergeron waves at markdude :)
18:03:03 <MarkDude> rbergeron,  :)
18:03:08 <stickster> #topic Last meeting's action items
18:03:12 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-08-12/fedora_insight.2010-08-12-18.06.html <-- last meeting
18:03:24 * Sparks is here
18:03:36 <stickster> #info 1 is DONE
18:03:42 <stickster> #info 2 is DONE
18:04:08 <stickster> Is smooge around? I don't recall seeing this email on logistics@ but he may have talked to abadger1999 in IRC or otherwise
18:04:17 * stickster referring to #3
18:04:25 <rbergeron> he was here just before the meeting :)
18:04:43 <stickster> OK, he probably is just late back from grabbing a bevvie :-) We can come back to that.  In the meantime...
18:04:46 <stickster> #info 4 is DONE
18:04:51 <stickster> #undo
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18:04:59 <smooge> here
18:05:01 <stickster> #info 4 is DONE (for some value of DONE, as in "done enough")
18:05:05 <stickster> Hiya smooge!
18:06:04 <stickster> smooge: Action item 3 was "# smooge to ask Toshio on-list if he's interested in doing anything related to drak's offer of a CI build process for Zikula"
18:06:20 <smooge> oh I am reading the wrong list.. #3 was introduce myself to the logistics list
18:06:26 <stickster> haha :-D
18:06:41 * gwerra lurks
18:06:51 <rbergeron> hi gwerra :)
18:06:55 <gwerra> hey rbergeron
18:07:10 <stickster> Hi gwerra, we have theming on the agenda later if you're able to stick around, otherwise I'll rearrange
18:07:39 <smooge> one sec.. where is that @3
18:07:41 <gwerra> stickster: I will be here for the meeting
18:08:01 <stickster> smooge: Under "action items" at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-08-12/fedora_insight.2010-08-12-18.06.html
18:08:10 <smooge> ah ok .. have not gotten to it.
18:08:16 <smooge> will do so after meeting
18:08:47 <smooge> got it writing it up now
18:08:50 <stickster> Cool
18:09:00 <stickster> #action smooge to ask Toshio on-list if he's interested in doing anything related to drak's offer of a CI build process for Zikula
18:09:10 <stickster> Anything else before we move on to this week's stuff?
18:09:41 * stickster making great haste because he may not be around tomorrow and is trying to accomplish oodles today :-)
18:09:52 <stickster> OK, silence gives consent, moving on
18:09:57 * rbergeron grins
18:10:05 <stickster> #topic Drupal status
18:10:37 <stickster> #link https://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal <-- Drupal instance is up and ready for business!
18:11:10 <stickster> Yesterday, Pascal and I worked together to see how easy it was to slap a FWN issue together. It turns out the answer is "pretty easy, up to a point."
18:12:03 <stickster> There are a couple things we still need to fix. One of them is letting the beats come together as Book Pages (which is a specific type of content in Drupal), and then creating a view for users that lets them see the entire issue as a single page.
18:12:22 <stickster> We think that can be accomplished fairly easily with the Views module, which isn't installed yet.
18:13:16 <stickster> jsmith: What say you about this -- pcalarco is somewhat familiar with Drupal, probably more so than I, but does that sound like the right plan?  And am I correct that the Views module is fairly robust and well-supported?
18:14:59 <stickster> In the meantime, we also looked at the functionality of another module called the Flexifilter module. That module is used to parse data that's entered in a different format than just the restricted HTML that Drupal usually uses for content.
18:15:38 * stickster is working, therefore, on an input format that will support direct pasting of things from our Mediawiki instance. There's an example MW filter that comes with Flexifilter but it doesn't do nearly enough for us. Fortunately, customizing it is pretty easy.
18:16:17 <stickster> #info pcalarco and stickster are looking at Views to provide the proper book formatting for a FWN issue, but otherwise publishing an FWN looks to be dead-simple
18:16:47 <stickster> #info stickster is working on a custom Flexifilter that will allow pcalarco (and others) to paste in Fedora wiki text, making the process that much faster
18:17:07 <rbergeron> so we could literally pipe in whatever is on a wiki page? would that be by linking or by copypasta of wiki format?
18:17:14 <stickster> rbergeron: copypasta
18:17:27 <rbergeron> is there a way to link?
18:17:32 <stickster> rbergeron: Or for that matter, writing directly on the Drupal instance in the same format that people are used to
18:17:34 * rbergeron just thinks of the whole "have to do it twice thing"
18:17:39 * rbergeron nods
18:18:02 <stickster> rbergeron: There is probably a way to retrieve automagically.  I don't know enough to know how to do it yet.
18:18:12 <rbergeron> okay. just curious!
18:18:17 * rbergeron doesn't want to overload the plate :)
18:18:29 <stickster> rbergeron: That's a very important point!
18:18:46 <stickster> But I can tell you that it took Pascal all of ten minutes to do it via copypasta. He seemed nonplussed by it, but that may be because he's familiar with Drupal already.
18:18:48 <gwerra> stickster: you can always use py magic to make it automatic, but thats secondary
18:19:18 <stickster> Is there anyone who can devote some time to installing the Views module, and creating this custom view for a unified Book to show a FWN issue?
18:19:55 <stickster> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/2 <-- pcalarco's test Book for an FWN issue
18:19:58 <gwerra> stickster: sure, I have the time
18:20:24 <stickster> gwerra: That would be awesome! I have made a plan where I'd like people to indicate any customizations they make, so that we have a recipe book for the future
18:20:29 <stickster> s/plan/page
18:20:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_content_configuration <-- wiki page to record any content customizations made
18:21:14 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal <-- wiki page to record additional modules and other core changes
18:21:37 <stickster> gwerra: Can I #action you for that part then?
18:21:42 <stickster> Oops!
18:21:44 <gwerra> stickster: sure
18:21:47 <stickster> #chair gwerra rbergeron jsmith smooge
18:21:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: gwerra jsmith rbergeron smooge stickster
18:22:19 <stickster> #action gwerra Install Views module and create a custom view that will display the FWN issue Book as a single unified page with all children
18:22:31 <stickster> gwerra: I'll likely learn something about Views by seeing what you did
18:23:17 <rbergeron> stickster: can i get a bump up in admin status when you get a chance?
18:23:26 <rbergeron> login is rbergero :)
18:23:45 <smooge> passwrd is doughnuts
18:24:05 * rbergeron laughs
18:24:14 <stickster> rbergeron: Yes, sure!  By the way -- we've ascertained that the role stuff Just Works(tm).  We don't need to spin wheels wondering whether people's permission assignments will work.  We can spend time instead making sure that roles just have the right permissions assigned.
18:24:24 <rbergeron> i thought it was c00kies..... ;)
18:24:25 <stickster> I took my best guesses to start with, and they're shown on that customizations page above
18:24:43 <rbergeron> :)
18:24:51 <stickster> So if people want admin on the Drupal instance, just apply for 'cmsadmin' in FakeFAS at http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/accounts
18:25:07 <rbergeron> ohhhhh
18:25:10 * rbergeron forgot about that part
18:25:37 <stickster> rbergeron: I should probably remind people, no worries --
18:25:48 * rbergeron applied
18:25:54 <rbergeron> sorry to divert!
18:26:23 <stickster> #info Remember that access levels in Insight are controlled through FakeFAS.  You shouldn't do any direct manipulation of users in Drupal, since their group memberships will get overwritten when they login according to whatever FakeFAS says they should be.  (Which is how we want it.)
18:26:41 <stickster> rbergeron: You're approved, not a diversion at all.  Thanks!
18:27:36 <stickster> So if you're interested in seeing progress I'm making on the custom Fedora wiki filter, you can look at this node:
18:27:48 <stickster> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/11 <-- Test of custom Flexifilter being written by stickster
18:28:10 <stickster> If you have access and can edit that page, you'll see it's straight wikitext.
18:28:31 <stickster> I'm adding more coverage to different markup commonly found in the FWN, and can add more later for other types of pages that might be copied or linked in.
18:29:16 <rbergeron> stickster: what about links within a wiki page to other wiki pages - ie [[Marketing]], etc?
18:29:16 <stickster> Note that the reference, for instance, isn't yet right -- but I think I know how to deal with that and will tackle it next time I get a chance to do some Drupaling, hopefully tonight or Sunday.
18:29:22 <stickster> rbergeron: They just work ;-)
18:29:28 <rbergeron> will that automatically convert to like a fedoraproject.org/wiki/whatever? :)
18:29:31 * rbergeron cheers
18:29:34 <rbergeron> yes?
18:29:47 <stickster> Does everyone see the text "Some text and a link." on that page?
18:30:01 <rbergeron> yes
18:30:05 <stickster> Here's the text that I wrote in Drupal:
18:30:13 <pcalarco> sneaks in, sorry
18:30:20 <stickster> Some text and a [[User:Pfrields|link]].
18:30:29 <rbergeron> ah - yeah, that's what makes it hard to know - i can't see the source :)
18:30:31 <stickster> Note that it not only gets the link right, but it uses the substitute text correctly.
18:30:48 * rbergeron nods
18:31:00 <stickster> rbergeron: If you logout and logon, you'll have your new cmsadmin permissions and then you should be able to see the "edit" link to view/change the source
18:31:11 <stickster> Hey pcalarco!
18:31:55 <stickster> pcalarco: I was telling everyone about our current status and the work you and I did the other day.
18:32:09 <stickster> pcalarco: Did you want to say anything about that?
18:32:48 <pcalarco> stickster: I think we made good progress but the wiki markup isn't translating completely yet
18:33:42 <pcalarco> link# http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/2
18:33:49 <pcalarco> is what we mostly worked on
18:34:43 <stickster> Yup -- pcalarco, gwerra is going to work on a custom View for that unified page issue we talked about
18:35:01 <pcalarco> stickster: that would be great
18:35:55 <gwerra> stickster: I take it, the module needs packaging too
18:36:09 <stickster> gwerra: Yes, I think the same thing is true for Flexifilter module
18:36:19 <gwerra> I can package both if you like
18:36:27 * stickster notes that Drupal packaging is actually pretty dead-simple, and we have several modules already in Fedora and EL-5
18:36:43 <stickster> gwerra: You'll want to coordinate with Jon Ciesla whose drupal6 is still under review
18:37:07 <gwerra> stickster: sure, I ll send him an email
18:37:18 <stickster> To make sure we have a way to install drupal6 modules that are separate and distinct from drupal (i.e. v5) modules in EL-5
18:37:23 <stickster> Or EL-6 for that matter
18:38:40 <stickster> gwerra: I'm checking on whether views is packaged for drupal v5
18:39:26 <stickster> gwerra: Looks like not
18:39:33 <stickster> At least not in EL-5
18:40:01 <stickster> #action gwerra will reach out to Jon Ciesla and work on packaging Flexifilter and Views for drupal6 in EL-5 and maybe EL-6
18:40:18 <stickster> OK, on to the project plan stuff
18:40:24 <stickster> Anything else on current status?
18:40:52 <jsmith> stickster: Shouldn't be *too* hard to package up
18:41:24 <stickster> Nope
18:41:29 <stickster> OK, moving on
18:41:33 <stickster> #topic Project plan
18:41:47 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_project_plan <-- something resembling ready
18:42:01 * jsmith reads that, quickly
18:42:32 <stickster> I could use some eyeballs, input, and editing on this.
18:43:00 <stickster> smooge: It would be great if you could shred this up from the Infrastructure perspective. Feel free to be detailed and Type-A as needed
18:43:19 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to look at Insight Project Plan and add items from Marketing perspective
18:43:44 <stickster> Thanks rbergeron -- Note that I've built in a couple extra phases, and we can *add as we go*
18:43:51 <stickster> Which was always the case with our Insight plan, regardless of platform
18:44:24 * rbergeron nods
18:44:28 <stickster> I think mmcgrath, for instance, wants to see us deploy *something* and not let this rot while we wait to handle everything in one go
18:44:43 <pcalarco> do we have a timeframe goal when we'd like to have FWN via Insight in production, or is it too early to say yet?
18:44:54 <stickster> As long as we're able to duplicate our work in the event of a setback or disaster, I don't think it's going to take long to get FWN working on this, pcalarco
18:45:38 <stickster> I spent a lot of time over last weekend working on the customizations pages so it would be easier for people to see what changes I made as I went.
18:45:49 <stickster> I think I'm behind by a couple things here and there but I'm going to do another pass by Sunday
18:45:52 <pcalarco> stickster: right, yes; I will start working with beat writers to get them looking at pt4
18:46:22 <stickster> pcalarco: That would be great -- especially if you can give me some instances of things you guys are doing on the wiki that need to be handled in the input format I'm building.
18:46:34 <stickster> pcalarco: Actually, I can probably just look at the wiki version of the latest issue for that! :-D
18:46:36 <smooge> ok I am more Type E but I can try
18:47:10 <rbergeron> stickster: can we update the page with some of the info we wound up needing before wrt when things can be pushed and moved around - ie: infrastructure schedule type stuff?
18:47:22 <pcalarco> stickster: its most [[User:xxx]] and <ref></ref>
18:47:24 * rbergeron isnt' sure what all there is, but remembers we had questions about it last time around, i don't know if it is a conflict but it might be useful.
18:47:25 <stickster> rbergeron: We certainly can
18:47:34 <pcalarco> er, mostly
18:47:34 <stickster> I agree totallyl
18:48:08 <stickster> We also need to look at the theming. gwerra, how involved are you with the general work on the www.fp.o redesign?
18:48:12 <smooge> actually I would say the following:
18:48:14 <stickster> s/general/theming/
18:48:47 <smooge> actually never mind.. forgot to scroll down.. different conversation
18:48:59 <stickster> :-)
18:49:21 <stickster> rbergeron: Would you be willing to look up the Infrastructure freezes and note them in our plan?
18:49:38 <rbergeron> stickster: i will do my best to comprehend and notate that information :)
18:49:44 <stickster> haha
18:49:58 * rbergeron is pretty sure she can handle it :)
18:50:08 <rbergeron> if not, i have a big box of cookies
18:50:08 <stickster> #action rbergeron Put infrastructure freeze calendar items in our plan so we know when we can't move things around
18:50:21 * stickster is out of topics for today
18:50:27 <smooge> our freezes match development freezes
18:50:46 <stickster> Well that makes it easier to remember then :-)
18:50:49 <smooge> so if you want this before F-14 comes out.. you will want to have it done by Oct
18:50:55 <stickster> smooge: Correct
18:51:04 <smooge> if not I would say MAJOR SCRUM AT FUDCON
18:51:13 <stickster> Ugh, I hope we don't have to wait that long
18:51:17 <smooge> and have that as a produceable
18:51:17 <rbergeron> me either
18:51:29 <pcalarco> #action pcalarco will notify FWN team of direction of FWN @ Fedora Insight on Drupal, and get them looking at pt4
18:51:35 <stickster> This might depend on gwerra's availability because I am a CSS idiot
18:51:37 <smooge> hehehe.. its just around the corner to me.
18:51:43 * rbergeron would venture we could get some good stuff done while at olf, possibly :)
18:51:50 <smooge> are we on open floor yet?
18:52:00 <smooge> olf?
18:52:06 <rbergeron> ohio
18:52:09 <rbergeron> linuxfest
18:52:18 <rbergeron> we being the few of us who are there, anyway
18:52:20 <smooge> oh you people and your ability to go to all these events
18:52:32 <stickster> #action stickster and gwerra Figure out gwerra's availability and what it will take to complete the theming within ~3-4 weeks
18:52:50 <gwerra> stickster: I am not that much into the redesign
18:52:53 <gwerra> (corry got DCed)
18:52:56 <smooge> can I go? oh no we need you to clean out the chimney and sleep in the cinders.
18:52:57 <gwerra> sorry**
18:53:17 <stickster> gwerra: No problem -- Let's move forward with the theming then. Can you  reuse the repo you have now for insight theme?
18:53:24 <stickster> I think I asked this before but didn't hear back
18:53:36 <gwerra> stickster: yes, we can use the same thing
18:53:39 <stickster> Cool!
18:53:48 <stickster> #undo
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18:53:52 <gwerra> I only have to git rm -rf and git add files
18:54:12 <stickster> #action gwerra Start theming as soon as he's ready, and advertise his repo again to the list please
18:54:18 <stickster> gwerra: Superb!
18:54:28 <smooge> speaking of theming and packages
18:54:41 <gwerra> I havent got anything to show yet, just trying to merge the CSS from the zikula theming
18:54:42 <stickster> #action stickster Start discussion on list of schedule, after we see change freeze deadlines
18:54:56 <gwerra> which is the main part IMO
18:55:19 <stickster> #topic Theming
18:55:26 <stickster> Go ahead smooge  :-)
18:55:38 <smooge> sorry my find crashed..
18:56:33 <smooge> we had a bunch of packages for zikula and insight before.
18:56:52 <smooge> I want to make sure I can remove them from infrastructure repos to make sure we are EOL on it
18:56:54 <stickster> smooge: Like a zikula-specific authfas module and theme, yes?
18:56:58 <smooge> yes
18:57:12 <stickster> Those can be removed -- we have the content in git repos as an "upstream"
18:57:57 <smooge> ok anything else from insight-0.1 that I should whack?
18:58:12 <stickster> smooge: Hmm
18:58:38 <stickster> #action smooge can remove the old Fedora-specific insight RPMs from infrastructure repo
18:58:54 <stickster> Nothing comes immediately to mind -- I think the work right now is concentrated on
18:58:57 <stickster> oops
18:59:08 <gwerra> smooge: anything that has zikula or insight in the name can go really
18:59:10 <smooge> oh I did have a puppet module but it got killed
18:59:18 <smooge> when we rebuilt staging
18:59:27 <smooge> so now its time to make a drupal6 module
18:59:35 <stickster> Nothing comes immediately to mind -- I think the work right now is concentrated on making sure we can put content up the way we want, and that it looks the way we intend
18:59:50 <stickster> We could really use drupal6 to get out of review and into EL-5
18:59:52 <stickster> :-)
19:00:00 <smooge> what packages will we have and how are we going to deploy theming?
19:00:14 <stickster> #topic Packages etc.
19:00:31 <stickster> #info We really need drupal6 to make it into EL-5 proper... Review looks to be completed
19:00:57 <stickster> smooge: We'll have a Fedora-specific package for AuthFAS, and a Fedora-specific package for the theme
19:01:47 <stickster> smooge: Plus we need to package any drupal6 modules we need, but that is actually very easy because Drupal demands GPL only packages
19:01:51 <smooge> and other 'drupal6' modules
19:01:57 <stickster> right :-)
19:01:59 <smooge> psych
19:02:05 <gwerra> stickster: those can be in EL-5 directly
19:02:12 <stickster> Their licensing seems to be as careful as Fedora's -- another good match
19:02:37 <stickster> gwerra: Right, we want to get those drupal6 contrib modules packaged for EPEL
19:02:47 <gwerra> only theme and authfas go into infra, the rest will be in EPEL
19:02:54 <stickster> gwerra: Correct!
19:03:23 * stickster notes we are at :03 and moves that we adjourn if there's nothing further that can't be done on the list.
19:04:04 * gwerra has nothing
19:04:52 <stickster> OK then
19:05:00 <pcalarco> notes that cmseditors allows him to get to http://old.el-una.org/web/admin/content/node to review submitted content, which is good
19:05:20 <smooge> nothing
19:05:32 <stickster> Thanks, everyone, for coming -- please feel free to mess around on the Drupal instance and learn!
19:05:35 <stickster> #endmeeting