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15:46:42 <tatica> #topic GSoC - Fedora Insight
15:47:01 <tatica> welcome to our super informal first meeting about GSoC - Fedora Insight (Calendar)
15:47:23 <tatica> let me introduce you to our super Drupal Hacker, asrob !
15:47:38 <asrob> :D
15:47:57 <LSD> is he hacker ?
15:48:06 <tatica> and even if isn't a mentor, but is OUR mentor, the greatest stickster_afk (who's away, but we love him anyway)
15:48:56 <tatica> me? I'm just the crazy girl who will try to make your code look nice on a website and the one trying to push you, however, you will have to help me on that too :P
15:49:32 <tatica> if you are asking, wth is Fedora Insight, please take a look to this
15:49:33 <LSD> any time
15:49:36 <wmmalith63> i'm malith , university of moratuwa  ,sri lanaka
15:49:46 <tatica> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight
15:49:59 <tatica> and to the first mockup, design, website... etc etc
15:50:01 <wmmalith63> thank you!
15:50:01 <tatica> #link https://insight.fedoraproject.org/
15:50:46 <tatica> Insight is a lot of things, and will be a lot of things
15:51:03 <tatica> but at Blacksburg, our awesome crew decided to focus right now on Calendars
15:51:05 <tatica> why?
15:51:13 <wmmalith63> oooh thanks tatica now i got the idea !!!
15:51:18 <tatica> 1.- Will help people to be more organized, and remove some headaches
15:51:33 <tatica> 2.- Will help people to know when/where/how will be held events/meeetings and more
15:51:59 <tatica> 3.- Will provide a place where to stay in touch with everyone and know what's happening at our community (related to events, meetings and perhaps, tasks)
15:52:37 <tatica> if you want to know a bit about the history if the project, please take a look to:
15:52:39 <tatica> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_history
15:53:24 <tatica> now, I will take less than 3 min to talk about what * I * Expect talking from an user/designer perspective
15:53:37 <tatica> and then asrob and you guys will talk about how to do it... but with realistic goals
15:53:54 <tatica> mizmo (our design leader) did this amazing mockup of how Insight should looks like
15:53:58 <tatica> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FooBar.png
15:54:33 <wmmalith63> yep it's cool!
15:54:34 <tatica> and based on what we talk at FUDcon Blacksburg, I did just a couple of easy mockups just to show some screens of the calendar (forget about the design, since I will have to port that to mizmo style)
15:54:43 <tatica> #link Frontend http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/6771084841/in/set-72157613836974776
15:54:52 <tatica> #link http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/6771084853/in/set-72157613836974776
15:54:57 <tatica> interaction once you click on a date
15:55:04 <tatica> #link http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/6771084865/in/set-72157613836974776
15:55:11 <tatica> interaction once you click on a meeting/event/whatever
15:55:28 <tatica> as you can see, we want something easy to use, withoth jump a lot between screens, and readable
15:56:05 <LSD> yes, we can do it with custome modules
15:56:22 <tatica> now... is asrob turn :P
15:56:27 <tatica> thak you for listening my mologue :P
15:56:35 <rabisg> :)
15:56:36 <asrob> thank you, tatica
15:56:39 <LSD> thankz tatica
15:56:40 <wmmalith63> thanks !
15:57:34 <asrob> well, we use drupal 7 with some contrib modules
15:57:53 <wmmalith63> For this project the Calender Module is a really comprehensive starting point.
15:58:08 <asrob> like date, ctools, views, calendar etc-etc
15:58:39 <LSD> and few custome modules may need
15:58:47 <asrob> after Blacksburg we would like to focus to Calendar and events "management" that's why we are here now :)
15:58:52 <wmmalith63> so in my idea a new content type for Event could be set up, and the "create content" persmissions be given to the "CLA signed" role.
15:59:07 <asrob> there is a drupal dev instance
15:59:21 <asrob> #link https://insight02.dev.fedoraproject.org
15:59:48 <asrob> wmmalith63, it's a little bit complicated because we would like to use our FAS
15:59:55 <asrob> FAS == Fedora Account System
16:00:27 <LSD> i suggest to use user database tables
16:00:27 <asrob> there is a Drupal 6 module, but we need to update to Drupal 7
16:00:56 <asrob> or we have to figure out how to handle FAS' database
16:01:31 <LSD> can we know more about FAS?
16:02:01 <wmmalith63> yep what is the FAS ?
16:02:49 <asrob> yeah, http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts and http://www.google.hu/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffedoraproject.org%2Fwiki%2FAccount_System&ei=jp5sT_WBK8mS0QW-xOHEDw&usg=AFQjCNGEheBssON0ptnHKsZZcfsaYm6Gsw
16:02:56 <asrob> ohmy...
16:02:57 <asrob> sorry
16:03:25 <asrob> http://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Account_System
16:03:47 <asrob> here you can read it what that is
16:04:43 <wmmalith63> can any one do any changes without log in to FAS in calender ?
16:04:50 <rabisg> so would we have access to the FAS database or is there some kind of API/tunelling?
16:05:52 <tatica> well
16:06:01 <asrob> wmmalith63, yeah, because we are not using FAS on our Drupal 7 instance, there is no Drupal 7 version of FAS module
16:06:06 <tatica> we can also merge that with twitter + fas usernames
16:06:10 <tatica> and push people to create their wikipages
16:06:16 <asrob> tatica, +1
16:06:30 <tatica> everyone has at least one Social Network account
16:06:38 <tatica> and those who has a FAS account SHOULD have a wiki page
16:07:00 <tatica> if we can't go with FAS yet (maybe we could get some admin/infra/XXX in here) we shoukld use whatever we have in our hands
16:07:15 <tatica> now... auth... I read that one of you know about this
16:07:21 <tatica> who's the guilty as charge? :P
16:07:32 <rabisg> that would be me...
16:07:49 <wmmalith63> so can we put SSO feature in to the site !
16:08:02 <rabisg> but I was talking about OAuth (FB/Twitter)
16:08:14 * kital is just trowing OpenID in the ring - not nowing what the topic is
16:08:47 <tatica> kital, my love!
16:08:53 <tatica> yes, OpenID would be awesome
16:09:09 <asrob> kital, hey, we are trying figure it out how to use FAS and Drupal login system together
16:09:09 <kital> FAS is a OpenID provider maybe that helps
16:09:28 <asrob> kital, you think can we handle it with OpenID?
16:09:37 <asrob> wow, that's cool
16:09:49 <kital> why not ...
16:10:20 <wmmalith63> can u guys explain what is  OpenID?
16:10:26 * FranciscoD|away notes that askfedora also provides the OpenID option.
16:10:29 <FranciscoD|away> Pretty convenient
16:10:42 <tatica> #link http://openid.net/get-an-openid/what-is-openid/
16:11:00 <rabisg> wmmalith63,  a  general login system works across sites
16:11:03 <kital> but toshio is the hero here ;)
16:11:05 <rabisg> to summarise it
16:11:05 <FranciscoD> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenID
16:11:13 <FranciscoD> more specific :)
16:12:07 <wmmalith63> but kital it'll be a risk for the site !
16:12:09 <rabisg> asrob, so if thats the case, then logging would become pretty convinient, im sure there would be a contrib module in drupal
16:12:11 <tatica> let me see if he's online
16:12:12 <FranciscoD> uhm https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680423
16:12:14 <kital> FranciscoD: i also remember that http://fudcon.in/ was supporting it
16:12:24 <FranciscoD> I think there's a drupal module for FAS integration
16:12:38 <asrob> rabisg, yeah
16:12:38 <FranciscoD> at least the description of the bug report says so. It's in the repos apparently
16:12:39 <asrob> FranciscoD, ++
16:12:42 <FranciscoD> kital: I think so, yess
16:12:58 <asrob> there is an openid module in D7 core
16:13:01 <kital> wmmalith63: as said i do not know what you are talking about - just throw it in the ring as a option to authenticate agains FAS
16:13:08 <kital> s/agains/against
16:13:34 <tatica> oki, Toshio is comming
16:13:38 <tatica> oh, here he is
16:13:38 <abadger1999> hola
16:13:43 <asrob> abadger1999, hi
16:13:45 <kital> hola ;)
16:13:46 <rabisg> asrob,  yup
16:13:49 <FranciscoD> http://fpaste.org/bm6L/
16:14:14 <FranciscoD> nothing on Drupal7 though, as asrob said
16:14:19 * FranciscoD sits back down
16:14:26 <asrob> FranciscoD, yeah, Paul wrote it, it's great but there is no Drupal 7 version
16:14:34 <asrob> oops, you were faster :)
16:15:06 <LSD> cant we code for Drupal7 version then?
16:15:11 * FranciscoD wonders: is there a programming language Paul doesn't know? XD
16:15:22 <kital> wmmalith63: why do you consider OpenID a risk?
16:15:48 <asrob> I think there is two options, 1. Update drupal6-authfas to Drupal 7, 2. Use OpenID
16:16:04 <FranciscoD> kital: to start with, openID isn't limited to FAS holders
16:16:23 <asrob> FranciscoD, something like that, but he wrote it well ;)
16:16:28 <FranciscoD> we want fas holders only to use the service, right?
16:16:45 <asrob> right
16:16:47 <kital> understood ... if this is the risk
16:17:10 <abadger1999> asrob: So when I talked to stickster_afk a few months ago... he thought openid wouldn't be suitable
16:17:20 <abadger1999> because you needed fas group information for drupal
16:17:28 <FranciscoD> aye, makes sense
16:17:28 <asrob> abadger1999, you are right
16:17:34 <abadger1999> and openid doesn't do groups
16:18:03 <wmmalith63> kital : because when some one log in more sites using same password ! imagine when one site hacked by some one he can log in to others as well ?
16:19:28 <abadger1999> wmmalith63: So..  that's somewhat taken care of by openid (but not fas auth)
16:19:32 <kital> the password is not given away from the initial platform when using openid - but OpenID is not an option anyway as we have seen
16:19:41 * kital should learn to read the backlog ;)
16:19:56 <abadger1999> wmmalith63: with openid, the website redirects you to the openid providing website to type in your username and password.
16:20:17 <abadger1999> wmmalith63: so you never give your password to the foreign website.
16:21:01 <LSD> i think FAS reqst strong passwrd. User may not use it in other web .
16:21:18 <abadger1999> wmmalith63: but -- it could be subject to compromises where the hacked website you're logging into creates a page that looks like the openid server's website and you don't notice.
16:21:52 <kital> LSD which is not the case with openid
16:21:58 <wmmalith63> because most of the fedora users have FAS accounts !
16:22:09 <kital> but this is offtopic now - right ;)
16:22:14 <asrob> :)
16:22:16 <abadger1999> LSD: that is true.  I'd hope that you could limit what openid hosts are acceptable (for instance: just fedoraproject.org's openid service to have the same accounts as currently)
16:23:11 <FranciscoD> dont think that can be done, is kinda against the purpose of openid, isnt it? :)
16:23:19 <rabisg> abadger1999, but then  it would go against the idea of openid
16:23:53 <rabisg> FranciscoD, u beat me at it..
16:24:03 <FranciscoD> XD
16:24:11 <abadger1999> rabisg: not sure... when I first looked into openid, it was a specific use case we wanted to be sure was supported...
16:24:20 <abadger1999> Otherwise I could make my own openid server
16:24:51 <abadger1999> and log into a site that accepted openid from anywhere...
16:25:25 <abadger1999> which wouldn't give it trusted information (ie: is this email address verified or have you just signed up to spam a different person?)
16:25:33 <wmmalith63> but there are two common phishing attacks in the OpenID
16:25:37 <asrob> abadger1999, what do you think, do we support OpenID login or not?
16:26:13 <abadger1999> asrob: Seems like groups are an unavoidable problem that openid cannot overcome.
16:26:46 <wmmalith63> i think FAS is good !
16:27:53 <asrob> okay
16:28:09 <asrob> has anyone a question?
16:29:25 <tatica> not yet... but I do want profiles to be link with wiki pages
16:29:30 <tatica> that way, I can push people to fill it
16:29:33 <asrob> err, I mean... does anyone have a question?
16:31:04 <wmmalith63> The event can be categorised based on a taxonomy setup on drupal, as say a Fedora Team Meeting or Fedora Release Schedule, etc which can be themed in the end to let the user know the category of the event in the Calender from the look of the event on the calender.
16:31:31 <wmmalith63> can we do that ?
16:32:02 <asrob> wmmalith63, it makes sense, yes, we can
16:32:17 <rabisg> wmmalith63, to add to that, we can also choose to see events belonging to a certain taxonomy
16:32:47 <tatica> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_use_cases_for_calendar
16:33:20 <tatica> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Insight
16:33:37 <rabisg> or even add it to our Google Calendar
16:34:16 <asrob> do we have Google Calendar?
16:34:19 <asrob> tatica, ^
16:34:36 <tatica> what if people doesn't have google (it can happen...)
16:34:42 <tatica> we should not link us to a single service
16:34:59 <wmmalith63> can we send daily notifications to fedora desktop ?
16:35:08 <LSD> we can put calender to fedora insight
16:36:41 <wmmalith63> when we use google calender then we can send email notification also !
16:36:58 * tatica will keep making notes
16:37:18 <asrob> I don't think that we should use Google Calendar
16:37:25 <tatica> people should set how often they want notifications, and select which groups to et info from
16:37:38 <tatica> do I want to get all events info? all meetings? design meetings? events in my country?
16:37:42 <tatica> daily? weekly?
16:38:23 <asrob> right, I think we can handle it with Drupal and some contrib modules like messaging, notifications, registration etc-etc
16:39:27 <LSD> asrob, agree
16:40:55 <wmmalith63> so we can send only details what they request from the site !
16:40:56 <asrob> ok, I have to leave soon, is there anything else? tatica?
16:41:07 <asrob> wmmalith63, you are right
16:41:09 <tatica> I think the crew has a better idea now of what we want
16:41:24 <tatica> what do you think if one of you open a thread and we keep this in there?
16:41:25 <tatica> also
16:41:42 <tatica> I would like to know if this time is ok with you, and if you want to have weekly (or more/less) meetings like this
16:41:43 <rabisg> asrob, tatica what about nsight_use_cases_for_status_and_microblogging
16:42:55 <LSD> this time is perfect
16:43:17 <tatica> excellent
16:43:27 <tatica> ok, guys, do you have any other question?
16:43:28 <wmmalith63> yep!
16:43:33 <tatica> can we move foward to mail list?
16:44:05 <asrob> rabisg, what do you think about that?
16:44:35 <rabisg> im fine with it.
16:44:58 <LSD> me too
16:45:02 <tatica> good!
16:45:13 <asrob> tatica, wait a sec
16:45:18 <tatica> wut
16:45:41 <asrob> rabisg, any question in microblogging topic?
16:45:56 <wmmalith63> i think now i have a idea about this project ! thanks see you guys with great ideas !
16:46:34 <rabisg> yes, it would be better if the community has a discussion like this on the topic. So that I'll have a better idea of what is it that is required
16:46:53 <tatica> maybe we can have another meeting before next friday
16:47:04 <asrob> rabisg, sure
16:47:13 <asrob> tatica, okay, rabis?
16:47:18 <asrob> sorry, rabisg
16:47:58 <rabisg> yea fine.. meanwhile can we continue the discussions in an open thread? i am relatively free this weekend, would like to work upon it
16:48:19 <rabisg> next weekend I have some commitments
16:48:19 <tatica> perfect
16:48:20 <asrob> rabisg, ok, weekend it good to me
16:48:26 <tatica> I will be online tomorrow morning as well
16:48:30 <tatica> maybe sunday evening
16:48:40 <asrob> tomorrow is good
16:48:44 <asrob> rabisg?
16:48:50 <rabisg> yup.. excellent
16:48:51 <tatica> same timing?
16:48:58 <asrob> +1
16:49:00 <rabisg> +1
16:49:01 <tatica> good
16:49:15 <tatica> LSD, wmmalith63 ? you too ok with it?
16:49:44 <LSD> yes :)
16:49:45 <asrob> thank you, tatica and guys, I'm glad you are here and we can discuss
16:49:50 <tatica> :D
16:50:00 <tatica> we apreciate a lot that you decide to take this project :)
16:50:00 <wmmalith63> yep i waiting for the another discussion !
16:50:11 <wmmalith63> bye guys !
16:50:12 <tatica> will represent a lot for us and for the community any help you can provide us
16:50:22 <tatica> ok, sending logs to mail list and we should continue from there
16:50:41 <LSD> I will be with fedora after the GSOC
16:50:46 <LSD> :)
16:50:46 <tatica> :D
16:50:50 <asrob> :)
16:50:54 <tatica> #endmeeting