17:33:19 <decause> #startmeeting 17:33:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 1 17:33:19 2015 UTC. The chair is decause. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:33:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:33:30 <decause> #chair shibby rikki stickster 17:33:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause rikki shibby stickster 17:33:35 <decause> #topic Agenda 17:33:49 <decause> #link http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedora-magazine-osdc-braindump-090115 17:34:02 <decause> #topic braindump 17:34:12 <decause> so, Thank you Rikki/Shibby for attending 17:34:17 <JenWike> im here as well 17:34:23 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine/Editorial_meetings -- a very skeletal draft we started for Fedora Magazine 17:34:36 <decause> during FLOCK, we had a session about magazine/marketing and moving forward 17:34:45 <decause> from that session, we finally landed a weekly editorial meeting 17:34:48 <decause> and during the first one 17:34:51 <shibby> stickster, just to be clear, do you want us to chat here or update the etherpad, or both? 17:35:07 <decause> we came up with a few questions we'd like to ask you folks at Opensource.com about the way you handle the things 17:35:18 <decause> shibby: I can update the etherpad later 17:35:20 <stickster> shibby: chat here. We'll take the action of transcribing or moving over other things. You guys are doing us the favor 17:35:24 <decause> it is there mostly so you konw what is coming 17:35:28 <shibby> Deciding When to Publish Posts - we played around with this for a long time 17:35:28 <decause> stickster++ 17:35:29 <decause> exactly 17:35:41 <decause> #topic when to publish posts 17:35:54 <decause> I know you have some "science" you used to determine what time of day and how many is best 17:36:04 <stickster> yes ^ that 17:36:13 <decause> I'm sure the answer will be slightly different depending on audience/calendar, but any general rules? 17:36:20 <shibby> right now, we set all content to publish in the morning hours, usually between 3-6 am. 17:36:27 <rikki> decause: how about I send you a blank template that would work for you all? 17:36:43 <decause> rikki: any templates/guides/how-tos would be *wonderful* resources 17:36:45 <shibby> We do this because we want content on the site and in people's RSS by the time Europe is waking up / starting their day 17:36:45 <stickster> shibby: That's good to know, because ryanlerch has been pushing stories around that time when we publish 17:37:07 <decause> cool cool 17:37:13 <rikki> I'll get a spreadsheet template knocked out with tabs for scheduling, editing, metrics, etc 17:37:28 <shibby> by the tiem we get into the office, we know which content is popular that day 17:37:30 <shibby> time 17:37:33 <stickster> rikki: We've been using a plugin that's part of our WordPress site -- it gives us a calendar output 17:37:47 <decause> solid 17:37:53 <shibby> but, we are publishing 3-4 articles a day, the answer for you may be different depending on volume and audience. 17:38:21 <stickster> rikki: But it's not AFAIK integrated with any metrics; we can use story fields to show who's the editor, the status (pitch, draft, waiting for review, etc.) 17:38:26 <shibby> even though there is a lot of chatter about RSS being dead, it's not. 17:38:30 <decause> shibby: nod nod nod. Imagine OSDC "in the beginning" if you can remember. We're at the point where we are starting to need an editorial board and calendar, but progress is coming along 17:38:32 <rikki> stickster: you might be able to use some of our spreadsheets or get ideas from our process that fits into your plugins, etc. too 17:38:35 <stickster> shibby: We're more like 3-4/week currently (when we're at our best) 17:38:38 <stickster> rikki: For sure 17:38:55 <stickster> shibby: Would we do more if we could keep the pace up? Perhaps 17:39:07 <shibby> for a publishing cadence, the best advice I could it to be consistant 17:39:19 <decause> having process in place helps to get contributing authors on board (that is what helped me in the early days) 17:39:21 <rikki> agreed 17:39:22 <shibby> in the beginning of OSDC, we committed to publishing one new article a day 17:40:01 <decause> nod nod nod 17:40:01 <decause> ok 17:40:03 <decause> next item 17:40:06 <shibby> and over the years, have grown it from there, with obvious dependencies around dedicated staff and volunteers (moderators) 17:40:10 <stickster> *nod 17:40:14 <decause> #topic Tracking/Analytics 17:40:28 <shibby> we use omniture to track web analytics 17:40:29 <decause> So, we're in the process of getting piwik, and wordpress has some built in analytics 17:40:41 <decause> shibby: and sprout? 17:40:45 <shibby> but we also have Google Analytics plugged in 17:41:00 <shibby> for social media, we use booth Hootsuite and Sprout Social 17:41:06 <decause> shibby: gotcha 17:41:14 <stickster> Wordpress "analytics" (Jetpack) are kind of rudimentary in the console... but ryanlerch reminded me there's an API we might be able to pull other things from. Piwik is *much* more full featured 17:41:24 * decause just got the greenlight for Fedora SM account creds today, so will have some more thoughts on that in the near future 17:41:32 <shibby> to take a step back, you need to know what your goals are and what you want to track. Before we do anything new, we ask ourselves 2 things 17:41:37 <shibby> 1) what does success look like 17:41:43 <shibby> 2) how are we going to track this 17:41:48 <decause> shibby++ 17:41:48 <zodbot> decause: Karma for shibby changed to 1 (for the f22 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:41:54 <shibby> big picture/metric for us is page views 17:42:19 <decause> what about reporting? 17:42:32 <shibby> reporting, we do a bunch 17:42:36 <decause> I know we get the "daily digest" but is that hand-generated or machine generated? 17:42:42 <shibby> we have a daily heartbeat that goes out 17:42:43 * stickster has a couple goals in mind: (1) increase avg page views by at least 25% YoY; (2) decrease bounce rate, not sure of margin yet 17:42:55 <stickster> shibby: Did you have any contact/concerns/research around doing a tracking code for analytics on OSDC? 17:43:06 <shibby> we roll that up into a weekly report which we send to osdc-list and internal to memo-list 17:43:28 <shibby> also weekly, JenWike does a top 5 video for YouTube that's not technically a report, but could be 17:43:29 <decause> shibby: does the daily heartbeat come from a machine, or is it hand-compiled? 17:43:59 <shibby> and we have a monthly report where we consolidate all of our metrics. We can show you the google doc we use, but we can't post it publicly 17:44:21 <shibby> stickster, we use salesforce campaign codes in our weekly emails 17:44:30 * stickster 's question about tracking code is to address the inevitable privacy concerns 17:44:48 <shibby> stickster, on the enterprisers project, we have integrated both SFDC campaign codes and eloqua cookie tracking 17:44:53 <decause> stickster: less of a concern for OSDC readers than our audience for sure 17:44:59 <rikki> the monthly report google doc will be part of the template I send over 17:45:06 <decause> rikki++ 17:45:08 <decause> thank you 17:45:11 <stickster> IMHO analytics are a required business function for this site, and as such I don't think they fall into the bin of needing to provide an opt-out. If we don't measure I don't see a point in doing the Magazine 17:45:26 <stickster> Anyway, not to rathole here. shibby, just wanted to know if you guys discussed that topic from privacy POV 17:45:35 <decause> nod nod nod 17:45:37 <decause> ok 17:45:37 <JenWike> the Top 5 is being treated as a report to some readers -- i got an email last week asking why an article that had been popular didn't make it on the list 17:45:40 <shibby> stickster, we rely on the marketing ops team to help us with privacy compliance and adhere to whatever legal advices us on 17:45:43 <stickster> er, s/opt-out/opt-in/ 17:45:45 <JenWike> a good sign / thing 17:45:54 <decause> #topic Tracking Pitches/Ideas for Stories 17:46:06 <stickster> shibby: If you have a contact person for that, please feel free to send me a name offline 17:46:31 <decause> how does OSDC handle story ideas? I know there is a spreadsheet of ideas/stories that is a bread-and-butter doc for OSDC I've seen a few times 17:46:31 <shibby> decause, daily report is half and half, we have a template and pull the numbers from omniture / other sources 17:46:38 <decause> shibby: nod nod, thanks 17:47:09 <rikki> pitches/ideas: also part of the template 17:47:19 <decause> rikki: kk, then we can keep moving then 17:47:21 <shibby> stickster, for trackign stuff, I would recommend you start with Kyle Phelps (not the famous swimmer one) 17:47:28 <stickster> :-) thanks shibby 17:47:39 <decause> #topic Tracking/Editing Pitches 17:47:45 <decause> #topic Tracking/Editing Stories 17:47:50 <shibby> pitches - we recently moved to a sweet google form that Rikki can tell you all about 17:47:56 <stickster> #action stickster Contact marketing ops regarding tracking details 17:48:10 <decause> shibby: nice 17:48:18 <shibby> long story short, we have an email address for people to send stuff, but we found that we kept asking the same questions 17:48:51 <shibby> so we push people to the form for 2 reasons, it gets us the info we need up front and it crufts out the riff raff of most of the content farms 17:49:08 <rikki> here's the google form: http://opensource.com/how-submit-article 17:49:21 <stickster> nice 17:49:25 <shibby> JenWike, can talk more about that process they use to go through submission 17:49:28 <rikki> it dumps into our spreadsheet 17:49:41 <shibby> we basically move ideas from the form to a Google Doc (spreadsheet) 17:49:50 <stickster> Currently we have http://fedoramagazine.org/submit-an-idea-or-tip/ but it doesn't feed directly IIRC 17:49:51 <decause> nod nod nod 17:49:58 <shibby> we were using etherpad, but outgrew it with volume and needed to be able to move ideas from tab to tab 17:50:13 <rikki> the form automatically puts the submissions into the spreadsheet because I linked them 17:51:15 <decause> I like the workflow on that, we'd maybe have to use slightly different pipes, but the concept is solid 17:51:24 <decause> pitches should include certain info up front 17:51:38 <shibby> also, for pitches, we have a public facing editorial calendar 17:52:04 <JenWike> the main idea is we need some sort of understanding of not only what the topic is but what the outline for the article is, so we can really judge if it's a good fit 17:52:05 <shibby> and this is a huge help. partly on the next topic, is one way we attract new contributors 17:52:19 <shibby> for ex, we just started back to school with open source this week 17:52:21 <stickster> decause: Our form apparently feeds https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedoramagazine-tips 17:52:26 <shibby> that's been in the work for like 4-6 weeks. 17:52:45 <JenWike> right. with the editorial calendar in place we can easily call for new contributors and link to the ed cal for upcoming topics of interest to the site 17:52:54 <shibby> JenWike, will put a call out to our osdc-writers list (more on that in a moment) and to our voluneteer moderators 17:53:07 <shibby> sometimes people will submit using the form 17:53:20 <JenWike> we've been doing monthly themes on certain topics for 2-3 years now, which was our original idea/way to call for writers 17:53:24 <shibby> ed cal: http://opensource.com/resources/editorial-calendar 17:53:43 <shibby> one thing I wish we did earlier was the writers list 17:53:54 <shibby> we have 700+ people on the now, JenWike can confirm 17:54:00 <stickster> shibby: How often do you update that calendar? 17:54:00 <decause> wow! 17:54:15 <JenWike> wel... 17:54:16 <JenWike> 217 17:54:20 <JenWike> but on our way 17:54:23 <shibby> we basically invite any one that have written for us since 2014 to be part of that list 17:54:30 <shibby> oops, i was way off, thanks JenWike 17:54:38 <shibby> stickster, big updates, twice a year 17:54:48 <JenWike> we plan out 6 months in advance 17:54:57 <decause> stickster: we brainstorm at AllThingsOpen Moderator Summit 17:54:58 <shibby> stickster, minor updates when needed (ie, we add a new conference interview series) 17:54:59 <stickster> shibby: JenWike: Thanks, that was what I was looking fro 17:55:01 <stickster> *for even 17:55:18 <shibby> stickster, we want to give people the roadmap, just like OSS projects 17:55:44 <stickster> #info editorial calendar for topical weeks/months is populated 2x/year, and 6 months in advance 17:56:06 <decause> stickster: it works well for soliciting particular articles 17:56:22 <decause> stickster: and, OSDC does a great job of pre/post conference interview coverage 17:56:24 <JenWike> we also have a "contact list" where we place all names and email addresses of writers we work with, as soon as they write their first piece -- in that row in the spreadsheet we list what topic they wrote about so that we can use it to track info as well as use when looking for a writer for a topic 17:56:39 <shibby> +1 JenWike I wish we started that years ago 17:57:05 <shibby> we have a weekly task for everyone on the team to update that with new contacts. we love our roladex 17:57:19 <decause> osdc++ 17:57:35 <rikki> (all of this is in the template I'm prepping now) :) 17:57:47 <decause> so, we're almost done here if you folks wanna get out with 30 mins 17:57:48 <JenWike> agreed. it's been hard to get all the great info out of our first few years of writers as we have for writers now, but one step at a time right? we've been moving a million miles an hour since day 1 17:58:08 <JenWike> thanks rikki 17:58:37 <shibby> for editing drafts.... JenWike has a whole process for that mapped out that we can share, it's on Mojo I think 17:58:41 <JenWike> decause: my big takeaway would be track your writers and what they write about from day 1 17:58:52 <JenWike> update that when they write new stuff 17:59:00 <stickster> The great thing is we should be able to do much of this from existing WP dataq 17:59:03 <stickster> er, data. 17:59:03 <JenWike> it is, i can paste here? 17:59:39 <decause> one thing on my plate that has come up is the possibility of regular content from the Magazine cross-pollinating over to OSDC when it makes sense to (and the RHT community blog for that matter) 17:59:43 <decause> JenWike: yes please 17:59:44 <shibby> as with anything community, find ways to reward your contributors 17:59:47 <stickster> JenWike: Send to us in email 17:59:56 <JenWike> ok, done 17:59:57 <stickster> decause: InfoSec isn't keen on publishing internal URLs 18:00:01 <shibby> for new authors, jen will send them their stats on day one after publication 18:00:11 <decause> lol, my bad 18:00:16 <stickster> decause: no worries 18:00:21 <shibby> for returning authors we do the same thing 18:00:30 <shibby> and lots of mentions on social media when possible 18:00:49 <shibby> we give out community awards each January to recognize efforts 18:00:57 <shibby> decause, might have gotten an award or two :) 18:01:08 <decause> :) 18:01:15 <stickster> we haz badges ;-) 18:01:19 <decause> we have some badges, yep :) 18:01:24 <shibby> people love badges 18:01:37 <JenWike> just sent: "Opensource.com Content Management & Strategy" 18:01:40 <shibby> I saw the note about fedora column for OSDC - yes 18:01:47 <stickster> Thanks JenWike 18:02:02 <JenWike> it's a beast... and also nerdy publishing fun :) 18:02:16 <shibby> we have an interesting way to approach that and have had some success in what we call "collaborative columns" where we have authors sign-up for future publishing slots 18:02:24 <decause> shibby: yeah, as we formalize the editorial process, i"m hoping to drive more contributing authors via commops team (also in progress) where we can start curating a pipeline 18:02:55 <shibby> it worked great for 4-6 months, but then lost momentum because I don't think people understood we wanted them to keep contributing and help us find new contributors 18:02:58 <rikki> One perk writers might like is to get a free conference "press pass" 18:03:01 <rikki> but 18:03:15 <rikki> they have to have article samples already to be considered for this by conferences 18:03:27 <rikki> so that's a nice perk for regular writers who show that they can cover event news 18:03:38 <rikki> for example, Nicole Engard on our site 18:03:49 <decause> who did *amazing* coverage for OSCON this year, btw 18:03:52 <rikki> you can't even apply for a press pass without writing samples though 18:03:56 <rikki> I know, right?! 18:03:58 <rikki> she's awesome 18:03:59 <JenWike> :) 18:04:06 <shibby> that's all i've got today, great questions stickster decause - we're happy to share want we've learned 18:04:07 <rikki> so I didn't have any problem getting her a pass to SXSW 18:04:17 <stickster> thanks shibby for being here! 18:04:25 <shibby> come to my talk at ATO and I go into more details about alot of this stuff 18:04:27 <decause> shibby: rikki: JenWike: Thanks much for making the time :) 18:04:30 <rikki> that's a pretty sweet perk for her, and great content for us, and great coverage for the events 18:04:34 <JenWike> notw: nengard is a moderator, but we also have "regular contributors" do coverage too 18:04:37 <JenWike> *notw 18:04:39 <JenWike> note 18:04:41 * decause will be at ATO, and showing up for some time at the Tower too 18:04:51 <rikki> decause: let us know if you have other questions 18:04:59 <rikki> i'll get that template over to you either today or tomorrow 18:05:03 <decause> rikki: I'll follow up after the Editorial Meeting on Thursday 18:05:06 <JenWike> would be happy to do another 30 min sesh going forward too 18:05:07 <decause> rikki: great 18:05:11 <JenWike> once you get going and have more questions 18:05:21 <decause> JenWike: I'll schedule them sparingly, I konw you folks have full plates :) 18:05:30 <decause> JenWike++ 18:05:31 <decause> shibby++ 18:05:33 <decause> rikki++ 18:05:42 <decause> stickster++ 18:05:46 <decause> thanks everyone! 18:05:48 <decause> #endmeeting