22:05:20 #startmeeting Fedora Magazine weekly meeting 22:05:20 Meeting started Thu Nov 5 22:05:20 2015 UTC. The chair is ryanlerch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:05:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:05:21 (to give peopel chair access, aka #info, #topic, etc) 22:05:43 #chair puiterwijk decause jflory7 robyduck dustymabe 22:05:43 Current chairs: decause dustymabe jflory7 puiterwijk robyduck ryanlerch 22:05:50 .hello ryanlerch 22:05:51 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 22:06:00 .hello decause 22:06:01 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 22:06:03 .hello puiterwijk 22:06:04 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' 22:06:05 .hello robyduck 22:06:07 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 22:06:47 thanks all! we will need to figure out the meeting time better for next week with all the DST changes :) 22:07:26 ryanlerch: ah, well, I still have issues with DST within Europe myself as well. And that impacted me directly :) 22:07:36 #topic review of this week 22:07:52 * decause gets excited 22:07:53 So this week was obviously a big one! 22:08:28 .hello mailga 22:08:28 we had two >30K days with the release announcement, and the accompanying posts 22:08:32 mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' 22:08:36 #chair mailga 22:08:36 Current chairs: decause dustymabe jflory7 mailga puiterwijk robyduck ryanlerch 22:08:40 !!! 22:09:28 we also had jstanley's post, the third installment in the systemd series, and jzb's marking call to action post 22:09:56 we beat f22's release day record by about 2K views 22:10:06 and had a more solid followup day too! 22:10:24 most of those were me refreshing to see if my ansible post was up :-P 22:10:32 also, special thanks to puiterwijk for getting the magazine ready for the big increase in traffic 22:10:33 :P 22:10:35 * dustymabe was eager 22:11:12 dustymabe: i'm going to get that one edited and out today! :) 22:11:29 anyone else have anything for the review of the week? 22:11:29 yay! 22:11:43 dustymabe: hehe 22:12:08 * decause not me 22:12:32 #topic this week's pitches 22:12:49 okies, we have two pitches this week: 22:13:01 * jflory7 is now caught up and here 22:13:28 are there two ansible posts? 22:13:54 * jflory7 is logging into the Mag now 22:14:00 first pitch is one i did up about the rust copr: 22:14:02 http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10580&preview=true 22:14:13 robyduck: I think roshi made a pitch about ansible but never had any content 22:14:27 oh, lets do that one then! 22:14:41 oh, indeed roshi is the author 22:14:50 ansibale post -- http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10574&preview=true 22:14:59 ryanlerch: this is just my personal opinion, but I am not sure whether we should advertise stuff in copr repos for "normal users" (aka, non-contributors) 22:15:33 Maybe do #link for the articles? 22:15:35 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10574&preview=true 22:15:44 jflory7: thanks! 22:15:50 * ryanlerch is a meeting leader noob 22:15:53 jflory7: it's not needed 22:16:09 zodbot picks them up anyway for the minutes 22:16:32 okies, this ansible one seems like a dupe of the one dustymabe has almost got published :) 22:16:39 so delete this one? 22:16:45 I was thinking so, yeah 22:16:45 +1 22:17:05 +1 22:17:07 #action remove duplicate ansible in f23 pitch 22:17:53 done, remooved 22:18:06 ryanlerch: is there a way to "mark" a post based on its difficulty? newbie - power users and so on? 22:18:11 okies, we will loop back to the rustlang one 22:18:19 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10580&preview=true 22:18:23 aha, sorry - again got swamped and forgot about this meeting 22:18:40 #chair roshi 22:18:40 Current chairs: decause dustymabe jflory7 mailga puiterwijk robyduck roshi ryanlerch 22:18:56 Alrighty. 22:19:07 o/ 22:19:09 .hello cydrobolt 22:19:10 cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' 22:19:15 hey all 22:19:19 I thought jzb was going to write this - I just wanted to get the pitch in to see if people thought it was a good fit, as ansible not being supported would be quite a shock to people who haven't been reading along 22:19:29 roshi: I wrote it instead 22:19:34 just wanted to get it out there this week 22:19:37 sooner than later 22:19:58 yeah, that makes sense 22:20:05 roshi: yeah the one dustymabe wrote is pretty much ready to go -- i will get it out just after the meeting 22:20:16 awesome, glad to hear it :) 22:20:18 So looks like next and last pitch on the list is the Rust programming language available in Copr? 22:20:24 #chair cydrobolt 22:20:24 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause dustymabe jflory7 mailga puiterwijk robyduck roshi ryanlerch 22:20:31 * roshi is getting ready to take some PTO and has been swamped getting ready for that :p 22:21:05 yeah, my issue with the rustlang one is that it ships the binary, and i wanted to see if it was okay to advertise this 22:21:10 So about the rustlang one: I am personaly -1 to advertising COPR repos to non-contributors given the dubious state of COPR supportability. It is not official production 22:21:33 (that is me as infra guy speaking) 22:22:05 puiterwijk: fair enough -- this is why I proposed this one as a pitch -- this might be something that we talk to mattdm and co about 22:22:13 (but of course I'm not official mktg so have no voting power) 22:22:24 Perhaps a ping on the mailing list too to be sure. 22:22:25 i think if we put enough of a warning on it it might be ok 22:22:34 Worst case scenario, it could go onto the Planet. 22:22:44 but it might be of use to our users 22:22:47 I think copr stuff should be on the planet 22:22:54 and supported stuff on the magazine 22:23:11 however, a post about the planet might be good - showcasing some of the posts? 22:23:27 we have had a few links to coprs on magazine before 22:24:01 ryanlerch: well, do you want to put a warning on there "Warning: COPR may go down any moment and stay off for multiple days, maybe a week, if you're unlucky"? 22:24:16 (if other stuff breaks, COPR gets the lowest priority, in my opinion) 22:24:29 roshi: I actually like the idea of doing a Planet post on the Magazine. Depending on whether that's been already written or published recently, I could do that as a pitch. 22:24:37 * robyduck thinks puiterwijk's concern makes perfectly sense 22:24:46 yeah, the post does need to make it clearer that copr is experimental 22:25:34 okies -- lets put this one in the holding pen, and i'll try to get some guidance from mattdm to see if this might be a good or bad idea 22:25:41 Yeah 22:25:48 I don't think Copr stuff should be on Fmag 22:25:56 ryanlerch: we may also want to wait a little bit as I'm going to have a meeting on copr supportability soon with the team 22:26:14 If we decide we want to make COPR really stable, supported, production, that would change my opinion on this. 22:26:16 The packages in Copr don't have the same QA assurances as official packages 22:26:57 But yeah, the contents of COPR is the next thing then yeah. Also, the fact that this is someone's personal COPR, so you never know if they're going to update it, and even if there's acritical security issue, provenpackagers can't update them 22:27:29 i have one other pitch for this week 22:28:08 let's mark an action for this pitch and the go ahead, or? 22:28:20 s/the/then 22:28:43 I'll second that 22:28:48 Yeah, I think this needs more discussion, so action sounds good 22:28:56 cydrobolt: puiterwijk yeah those points are things that need to be pointed out in the post 22:29:08 sorry fell off there for a minute 22:29:58 okies -- putting it in the holding pen 22:30:08 dustymabe: a new pitch? 22:30:36 ryanlerch: yeah.. sent to the mail list 22:30:40 did you guys not get it? 22:31:30 * ryanlerch has not checked his mail this morning 22:31:44 dustymabe: can you give us the quick overview here? 22:31:46 #action move Rust to holding pen, seek guidance from mattdm regarding Copr 22:31:55 ryanlerch: sure 22:32:03 its basically promoting vagrant boxes in atlas 22:32:09 https://gist.github.com/dustymabe/f4db1ef857260d216ab2 22:32:34 also I sent a mail to the list to ask about the use of the logo on https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora 22:32:40 would appreciate a response to that 22:33:00 dustymabe, might want to send an email to logo@fp.o 22:33:14 cydrobolt: :( 22:33:24 lots of rules to follow 22:33:34 looks like a good concept to me -- we probably just need a little more information in the post about what atlas / vagrant are, and why you would want to do this 22:33:45 +1 to the pitch for me 22:33:58 ok so you want me ot add some content? 22:34:31 anyone else on this pitch? 22:34:49 ryanlerch: for a vote? 22:35:17 yeah we usually vote on pitches 22:35:19 it's not for beginners, so it should explain what vagrant and atlas is, I agree on that 22:35:28 dustymabe: hmm, who uploaded the files there under that name? 22:35:36 yeah, the why is important too 22:35:37 yeah 22:35:38 + for a pitch 22:35:42 I was confused by "atlas" 22:35:51 I hadn't heard of it before, so an explanation would be very helpful 22:35:55 cydrobolt: would one of you might asking the logo list for me. I really don't want another mailing list to keep up with 22:35:58 ryanlerch: it seems a bit advanced for me. 22:36:05 dustymabe, not a ML afaik 22:36:12 cydrobolt: ok 22:36:18 I'll add content to the post about atlas 22:36:37 mailga: advanced is typically ok for the magazine, as long as it is targeted at users 22:36:42 puiterwijk: I uploaded the content.. it's actually just uploading our URLS for our download loacations 22:36:50 release engineering is aware of what I am doing 22:36:55 and legal has signed off 22:37:08 dustymabe: okay, then I'll stay silent. Thanks for that info 22:37:18 ryanlerch: I see, +1 for me 22:37:36 (just wanted to be sure you had sign-off, as we had more projects sort of like this that were stopped by legal) 22:38:04 puiterwijk: np 22:38:14 dustymabe: okies, pitch approved 22:38:16 Looking further, this looks pretty cool. I would personally be interested in reading this 22:38:17 ok i'll add the content and send a follow up mail to the list 22:38:29 #info dustymabe to draft atlas post 22:38:34 is it possible that I might be able to get that published tomorrow if there isn't something else already going out? 22:38:35 Looking at the Gist, I think it's a good starting point for an article for targeted users. 22:38:39 +1 from me 22:39:43 any editors want to help dustymabe get the post ready for tomorrow, us time? 22:39:49 jflory7: :) 22:39:56 I can help from a non-technical perspective. 22:40:42 #info atlas post aimed for tomorrow 22:40:55 Might be a good idea if someone more knowledgeable helped edit too - I'd just be doing the English-y sort of stuff 22:41:09 But yes, I can definitely volunteer to help edit that for tomorrow 22:41:14 ok.. could use someone to work on a picture maybe? 22:41:19 jflory7++ 22:41:35 If it's technical and I count, I could help perhaps 22:41:35 okies, lets move on to Drafts 22:41:46 Sounds good, +1 22:42:11 #topic draft review 22:42:38 Okies, the next systemd post should be going out next week. 22:42:53 we had the converting init scripts one this week 22:43:19 Right. Unit dependencies one was next, I think? 22:43:57 I know we swapped some of the order around 22:44:26 Looks like that was the one Bryan was working on but had to forego - if I recall correctly, Paul said he was going to take on that next article? 22:44:31 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10228&preview_id=10228 22:45:01 okies -- we are getting these out on thurdays, so we will aim for that time again, 22:45:20 however paul is not here, so we will need to move this discissoin to the list 22:45:31 +1 22:45:34 +1 22:45:45 #action ryanlerch to start a new thread on the mailing list about this week's systemd post 22:46:02 Want to hit the KDE one next? 22:46:05 okies, the next one is one talking about whats new in the KDE spin 22:46:08 :) 22:46:19 yeah, i approached the kde folks for this one 22:47:02 Content looks good to me, definitely will be some interested people. Minor cleanup but overall +1 from me 22:47:09 http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10726&preview=true 22:47:30 yeah -- a proper cover image, and probably make some of the screenshots a bit bigger 22:47:51 +1 for me -- lets aim for an ASAP on this one, so ride the f23 wave a bit 22:48:00 +1 22:48:03 I can volunteer to help edit that one - are we looking at Friday or Monday? 22:48:09 i'll try to edit this one today a bit, and get it out 22:48:20 early in the AM us time 22:48:52 Okies -- on to the next one 22:49:06 OpenVPN -- jflory7 what's the status on this one? 22:49:21 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10253&preview=true 22:49:38 (Time check, we're getting down to the last ten minutes) 22:49:46 thanks jflory7 22:50:07 Sounds good, ryanlerch. 22:50:28 As for OpenVPN, still haven't had a chance to flesh out my draft :( 22:50:41 all good, we can keep it in drafts! 22:50:54 decause, any updates on the SFD post? 22:51:08 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10153&preview=true 22:51:21 I know it's been sitting in there for a while - was looking at this week for sure. Hopefully that ZNC article can carry any "how-to" sort of stuff while I'm working on the OpenVPN one 22:51:31 it was some time ago now, but I did add the conclusion and and converted the bullet points to narrative 22:51:51 I looked over at that one - I thought it was looking pretty ready to go 22:51:53 I suppose since I wasn't around for the last couple of meetings that it didn't move, but I thought I had gotten it "ready" for publishing 22:52:12 okies, do we want to aim for it on tuesday next week? 22:52:27 I'm good shipping it whenever, sure 22:52:32 Tuesday sounds good to me, +1 22:52:41 +1 22:52:56 #action decause to get SFD post ready for tuesday next week 22:53:10 I'll move it over to pending review 22:53:19 #topic pending review 22:53:42 so, the ansible one will be going out shortly after the meeting, as discussed eariler 22:54:10 jflory7: ZNC -- want to aim for a wednesday publish on that one? 22:54:40 +1, Wednesday works for me. As far as I know, last thing it needs is a featured image. I think stickster gave that one a thorough edit too 22:55:12 #action znc to publish on wednesday 22:55:21 anyone keen to do the cover image for ZNC? 22:55:33 * ryanlerch will do it 22:55:48 * jflory7 should probably do more playing around with Inkscape 22:55:57 okies -- the final item is the community blog post 22:56:08 I think that one is definitely imminent 22:56:10 jflory7: there is a decent compilation of how-to in old HFOSS repos 22:56:28 once the blog is launched, we will puch this one out 22:56:34 decause: Ooohh - think you can link me that after meeting? 22:56:39 jflory7: np 22:56:44 ryanlerch: Think we could coordinate that to tomorrow? 22:56:56 Or do we want to get more input from the mailing list? 22:57:12 yeah, its up to commops when that blog launches though :) 22:57:23 i'm happy to launch now :) 22:57:33 +1 22:57:54 Cool, can try to coordinate over IRC / mailing list depending 22:57:55 #link http://hfoss-ritigm.rhcloud.com/static/books/inkscapelessons-mairinduffy.pdf 22:58:00 * mailga says that waiting replies from ML is a suicide 22:58:07 +1 22:58:08 Yeah, that's my worry 22:58:29 okies, so this weeks schedule is: 22:58:38 I think this is pretty fresh, I think tomorrow would be preferred 22:58:45 1. after meeting -- ansible post -- ryanlerch to edit and publish 22:59:23 ryanlerch: if you don't mind making a note of the changes you make.. I'd like to see them 22:59:23 2. tomorow atals post -- jflory to edit for publish friday 22:59:33 just for future reference 22:59:42 you can go ahead and push.. I'd just like to see the diff 23:00:19 3. tuesday SFD post 23:00:29 #action jflory7 edit Atlas post by end of Thursday night for Friday publication 23:00:35 4. Wednesday ZNC post 23:00:43 -- ryanlerch to do cover image 23:01:25 jflory7: it might be later tonight before I have that post fully updated.. do you mind holding off on editing until tomorrow? 23:01:33 5. Thursday new systemd post -- needs to be discussed on mailing list though 23:01:40 does that look good to everyone? 23:01:48 lgtm +1 23:01:50 agreed 23:02:00 * ryanlerch thinks he might be failing at using meetbot properly 23:02:03 yes, +1 23:02:04 dustymabe: Think you'd have it ready by the AM hours US EST? 23:02:08 ryanlerch: +1 from me. 23:02:26 jflory7: yeah 23:02:30 i'm US east 23:02:35 i'll have it in the AM 23:02:42 dustymabe: Cool, I will make sure to be up early then for an afternoon publication 23:02:51 ok cool 23:03:01 dustymabe: are you on for much later now? 23:03:10 how do i close the meeing? 23:03:21 #endmeeting when you're ready 23:03:28 #endmeeting