15:00:32 <MeWjOr> #startmeeting NeuroFedora 2019-10-17 15:00:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 17 15:00:32 2019 UTC. 15:00:32 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:32 <zodbot> The chair is MeWjOr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:32 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora_2019-10-17' 15:00:41 <MeWjOr> #meetingname fedora-neuro 15:00:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-neuro' 15:00:47 <MeWjOr> #chair qicmo 15:00:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: MeWjOr qicmo 15:01:01 <MeWjOr> #topic Agenda Summary 15:01:07 <MeWjOr> #info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/neuro-sig@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6XO6XQBIS3PT2WLNJ4I6NBH2HTVFUSDJ/ 15:01:15 <MeWjOr> #info Introductions and roll call 15:01:22 <MeWjOr> #info Tasks from last meeting 15:01:27 <MeWjOr> #info Pagure tickets 15:01:35 <MeWjOr> #info Bugs 15:01:45 * FranciscoD is here 15:01:55 <MeWjOr> #info Neuroscience query of the week / podcast discussion 15:02:00 <MeWjOr> #info Open floor 15:02:07 * gicmo is here too, and spelled with a g not a q :P 15:02:22 <MeWjOr> We can discuss about FOSDEM in the open floor 15:02:34 * MeWjOr needs to fix my fonts... :P 15:02:45 <MeWjOr> #unchair qicmo 15:02:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: MeWjOr 15:02:46 <tg-fedneuro1> <sanjay_ankur> @bt0dotninja @keszybz @mhough Alessio @LoKoMurdoK @lbazan @Blackfile @dan1mal @victortyau ping, meeting just begun :) 15:02:56 <MeWjOr> #chair gicmo 15:02:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: MeWjOr gicmo 15:03:01 <MeWjOr> #chair FranciscoD 15:03:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr gicmo 15:03:17 <MeWjOr> Thanks for the ping, @FranciscoD 15:03:28 <MeWjOr> #topic Introductions and roll call 15:04:05 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha 15:04:06 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email: sanjay.ankur@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active 15:04:09 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: provenpackager +packager robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa 15:04:13 * FranciscoD quickly runs off to get tea 15:04:15 <MeWjOr> Hello! My name is Aniket Pradhan... :) 15:04:22 <MeWjOr> .fasinfo major 15:04:23 <zodbot> MeWjOr: User: major, Name: Aniket Pradhan, email: aniketpradhan1999@gmail.com, Creation: 2019-02-09, IRC Nick: MeWjOr, major_, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 15:04:25 <zodbot> MeWjOr: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager wikiedit cla_done cla_fpca 15:05:21 <gicmo> .fasinfo gicmo 15:05:25 <zodbot> gicmo: User: gicmo, Name: Christian Kellner, email: ckellner@redhat.com, Creation: 2017-01-09, IRC Nick: gicmo, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 15:05:28 <zodbot> gicmo: Approved Groups: +neuro-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca 15:05:55 <zbyszek> .hello2 15:05:55 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl> 15:06:04 <MeWjOr> #chair zbyszek 15:06:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr gicmo zbyszek 15:06:09 <MeWjOr> Hello! 15:07:50 <MeWjOr> Moving onto the next topic... 15:08:00 <MeWjOr> #topic Tasks from last meeting on 2019-10-10 15:08:08 <MeWjOr> #info Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-neuro/2019-10-10/neurofedora.2019-10-10-15.01.html 15:08:23 <MeWjOr> #info FranciscoD write blog post on NeuroFedora updates: Pending 15:08:33 <FranciscoD> :( 15:08:38 <FranciscoD> please re-action it to me 15:08:44 * FranciscoD will make sure he finds time this week 15:08:58 <MeWjOr> #action FranciscoD write blog post on neurofedora updates 15:09:14 <bt0> .fasinfo bt0dotninja 15:09:15 <zodbot> bt0: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active 15:09:16 <bt0> hi 15:09:17 <MeWjOr> #info mhough create ticket to document what ITK features we need, and block other packages that need them: Pending 15:09:18 <zodbot> bt0: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager +advocates @commops +summer-coding +ask-fedora mindshare +fedora-join @fedora-mx ambassadors dotnet-team marketing cla_done cla_fpca 15:09:25 <MeWjOr> #chair bt0 15:09:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr bt0 gicmo zbyszek 15:09:59 <MeWjOr> It was an easy week...There was not much to do, I guess... :P 15:10:09 <MeWjOr> Moving on 15:10:15 <MeWjOr> #Topic Pagure tickets 15:10:26 <MeWjOr> #info Pagure tickets marked for this meeting: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting 15:10:45 <MeWjOr> #info Issue #301: NeuroFedora brochure - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/301 15:11:01 <MeWjOr> Great effort into the brochure @dan1mal. :D 15:11:45 <MeWjOr> I guess we can consult the design team about this... What are your thoughts? 15:12:16 <FranciscoD> +1 15:12:23 <MeWjOr> It will definitely help the PR of the SIG... 15:12:36 <FranciscoD> mktg + design should be consulted, since they need to check fro brand guidelines etc 15:12:41 <gicmo> +1 15:13:09 <gicmo> So that is more targeted at getting new SIG members than neurofedora users? 15:13:10 <MeWjOr> Okay then... Since dan1mal is not here, I will ask if he can pursue with the design team on Pagure... 15:13:25 * FranciscoD needs to check again 15:13:34 <FranciscoD> I've forgotten what the brochure was 15:14:03 <MeWjOr> #action MeWjOr ask Dan1mal on the pagure issue if he can pursue the ticket with the design team 15:14:10 <FranciscoD> gicmo: it seems to be a general information brochure, one that we can give out at events to get the word out 15:14:30 <FranciscoD> but yes, the text seems to aim at encouraging people to join us 15:15:06 <MeWjOr> I guess we can work up the text once the design is ready..? Or do we ready up the text first? 15:15:58 <gicmo> am I missing something or is the inside(?) of it not missing? I assume it is folded twice and then there would be something printed on the other side of the paper too? 15:16:03 <gicmo> (cool stuff anyway) 15:16:31 <MeWjOr> gicmo: Yes... Folded twice to form three partitions... 15:16:55 <FranciscoD> Yeh, if that's the case, it needs the other side too 15:16:57 <MeWjOr> I just realized that there would be extra space on the back 15:17:17 <FranciscoD> that's good though---one side for users, one that encourages contribution 15:17:19 <FranciscoD> :D 15:17:33 <gicmo> yeah!! 15:17:40 <MeWjOr> great 15:17:45 <gicmo> my thoughts exactly 15:18:22 <MeWjOr> next issue 15:18:33 <MeWjOr> #info Issue #250: Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/250 15:18:43 <FranciscoD> Still blocked by the badges ticket, I'm afraid 15:18:46 <MeWjOr> The issue is on hold until https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/678 is resolved. 15:18:51 <MeWjOr> yes... :( 15:18:55 <MeWjOr> maybe I can ping in..? 15:19:25 <FranciscoD> I'm just doing that now 15:19:50 <FranciscoD> done 15:20:11 <FranciscoD> is the badges web-app going to remain after the CPE team are done? 15:20:13 <MeWjOr> I commented as well... :P 15:20:35 <MeWjOr> I guess it should be there.. 15:21:02 <FranciscoD> Yeh, we'll have to wait and see. Doesn't matter at the moment 15:21:18 <MeWjOr> :P 15:21:27 <MeWjOr> Moving on... 15:21:43 <MeWjOr> #info Comp Neuro lab image PR has been merged: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8873 15:21:52 <MeWjOr> Congrats people!.... 15:22:09 <FranciscoD> Yay! 15:22:25 <bt0> :) 15:22:42 <FranciscoD> Has it been built yet? 15:22:58 <FranciscoD> Anyone know where releng puts the composes? 15:23:34 <MeWjOr> There has not been a rebuild yet... right? They notify it on the devel ML and I did not see any info regarding that 15:24:12 <zbyszek> I think there might have been some issue with composes recently. 15:24:28 <zbyszek> Some packages I built in F32 koji haven't been pushed out yet. 15:25:49 <MeWjOr> The last compose report came out three days ago 15:26:41 <MeWjOr> #chair blackfile 15:26:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr blackfile bt0 gicmo zbyszek 15:26:44 <FranciscoD> OK, it'll happen eventually 15:26:53 <blackfile> .fas blackfile 15:26:56 <zodbot> blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' <luis@blackfile.net> 15:27:13 <MeWjOr> moving on to the next topic then... 15:27:26 <MeWjOr> #topic Open bugs 15:27:37 <MeWjOr> #info Open bugs: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs 15:28:00 <MeWjOr> There are regular package updates... and a review request and some more bugs.. 15:28:13 <MeWjOr> Can I review this package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1759883 15:29:15 <FranciscoD> .bug 1759883 15:29:16 <zodbot> FranciscoD: 1759883 – Review Request: dolfin - FEniCS computational backend and problem solving environment - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1759883 15:29:16 <MeWjOr> Alas, it is being blocked by some other bug 15:29:27 <FranciscoD> yeh, the deps are being worked on 15:29:35 <zbyszek> It's mostly done. 15:29:47 <FranciscoD> there are a few bugs missing from the list---qfang's bugs arent there 15:29:50 * FranciscoD goes to look 15:29:50 <zbyszek> I'm trying to build slepc, but it's a mess. 15:30:09 <MeWjOr> :P 15:31:16 * MeWjOr still cannot figure out how to assign bugs 15:31:32 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: let's sort that today after the meeting---very very odd 15:31:42 <MeWjOr> I guess its time to talk to infra about this... 15:31:45 <MeWjOr> Ohh..sure 15:32:00 <MeWjOr> Did you find qfang's bugs? 15:33:27 <FranciscoD> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1761576 is one 15:33:33 <FranciscoD> the others are .. lost 15:34:17 <MeWjOr> maybe they were resolved? 15:34:34 <FranciscoD> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=__open__&bug_status=__closed__&email1=fangqq%40gmail.com&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=10575809&query_format=advanced 15:34:37 <FranciscoD> yeh, most of them 15:35:07 <FranciscoD> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1760617 15:35:23 <FranciscoD> that's on my list to review 15:35:28 * FranciscoD throws it through fedora-review now 15:36:02 <MeWjOr> #action FranciscoD Review package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1760617 15:36:06 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: I guess there aren't a lot of packages to review---maybe just pick up another from the list to package? 15:36:13 <MeWjOr> #chair mhough 15:36:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr blackfile bt0 gicmo mhough zbyszek 15:36:24 <mhough> .fas mhough 15:36:24 <zodbot> mhough: adamhough '' <adam@gradientzero.com> - mhough 'Morgan Hough' <morgan.hough@gmail.com> 15:36:26 <MeWjOr> Sure... 15:36:56 <MeWjOr> #action MeWjOr Pick and package something... 15:37:13 <MeWjOr> moving on to the next part 15:37:31 <MeWjOr> #topic Neuroscience query of the week/podcast discussion 15:38:28 <MeWjOr> I found the topics discussed quite interesting and full of information... Specially the definition of Genome 15:38:49 <FranciscoD> #info Podcast link: http://brainsciencepodcast.libsyn.com/bs-159-kevin-mitchell-author-of-innate-how-the-wiring-of-our-brains-shapes-who-we-are 15:39:16 <FranciscoD> Yeh, lots of good info about changes in the brain during development etc 15:39:21 <mhough> Kevin Mitchell has a lot of great pieces 15:39:50 <FranciscoD> I think such podcasts fit our "neuroscience query of the week" better 15:40:24 <FranciscoD> maybe we just rename it to "Neuroscience of the week" and someone can suggest an interesting podcast each week 15:40:37 <FranciscoD> (instead of a research paper that we may all find too technical) 15:41:07 <MeWjOr> the one thing I was not able to figure out was the definition of "trait"... The author defined it as the variations present in the population but I sort of don't exactly get what he meant by it 15:41:52 <FranciscoD> any geneticists here? XD 15:42:20 <FranciscoD> This seems to fit, although as an academic I shouldn't be referring to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotypic_trait 15:42:44 <MeWjOr> He gave an example of the color of an eye, saying that it is variable and hence is considered a trait... but the number of eyes are not and hence it is not... He also gave some points on how Intelligence is a trait... can someone explain this one? 15:42:54 <MeWjOr> Lol... 15:43:51 <FranciscoD> there is no variation in the number of eyes in humans, so that's not a trait 15:44:08 <FranciscoD> a trait by definition is something that in the population being observed, can vary 15:44:11 <FranciscoD> I *think* 15:44:23 <MeWjOr> No... I meant how Intelligence is a trait... because it cannot be inherited... right? 15:44:38 <zbyszek> No. 15:44:44 * FranciscoD doesn't know 15:44:46 <mhough> It is heritable 15:44:51 <mhough> to some degree 15:44:57 <zbyszek> Of course it can inherited, and is variable in the population. 15:45:00 <FranciscoD> I'm not even sure of how one defines intelligence tbh 15:45:06 <MeWjOr> whoa... 15:45:13 <mhough> Thats a good question 15:45:25 <MeWjOr> I doubt it is the IQ scores 15:45:32 <MeWjOr> or the SAT scores 15:45:40 <zbyszek> Consider height, rather than inteligence, because it's a) better defined, b) easier to measure. 15:45:44 <mhough> But that is what we use in neurogentics 15:46:19 <zbyszek> There's a correlation with parents, and there are some hereditary components, and some non-hereditary influences. 15:46:48 <zbyszek> So height is a trait, dependent on some complex combination of genes (and other things, like amount of food). 15:47:02 <mhough> We used IQ tests in high school kids to look for brain correlates of intelligence 15:47:34 <mhough> YEs 15:47:52 <MeWjOr> zbyszek: according to the podcast, Kevin stated traits as charracterstics that are either inherited or influenced by the environmental noise 15:48:29 <FranciscoD> not "either" as in mutually exclusive 15:48:51 <MeWjOr> that was my next question... :P 15:48:53 <zbyszek> Well, almost everything is "or" those two things, in the sense of "one and the other". 15:50:13 <MeWjOr> mhough: Do neuroscientests use any other measure of intelligence other than the IQ... say considering one's family history? 15:50:24 <FranciscoD> I seem to remember that the point Kevin was trying to make was that there's a third factor when it comes to brain development, the stochastic nature of changes in brain networks 15:51:10 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: so, neuroscience covers many levels---from genes, to cells, to behaviour 15:51:13 <mhough> There might be some other tests that are included 15:51:27 <FranciscoD> intelligence is generally studied at the top level---because it is so hard to define clearly 15:52:20 <MeWjOr> Ohh... that's interesting 15:52:27 <FranciscoD> yeh, there must be some "standard" metrics 15:52:50 <mhough> Its important to not focus on "Intelligence" and know you are just looking at whatever the test is asking from people 15:53:31 <FranciscoD> +1 A higher metric on one of these tests does not imply that the individual is better at anything other than the one task they were asked to undertake 15:53:34 <FranciscoD> and at that point in time 15:53:39 <FranciscoD> the next day, they may not fare so well 15:53:41 <FranciscoD> XD 15:54:06 <mhough> I think the Allen Institutes work on teaching a system to do 8grade math problems is interesting for understanding what an IQ test is really testing 15:54:27 <FranciscoD> Not a lot of scientists I meet like to look at "intelligence" or "consciousness"---they're not well defined enough. 15:54:44 <FranciscoD> yeh, the standard IQ tests are quite controversial 15:55:17 <mhough> A computer is very good at math, much better than humans, but understanding word problems is a different problem 15:55:29 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: TLDR; don't worry about intelligence---we don't know enough to study/define it 15:55:52 <mhough> or build it:) 15:55:52 <FranciscoD> focus on the cool stuff---like how the brain develops :D 15:55:56 <MeWjOr> :P 15:56:01 * FranciscoD does structural plasticity 15:56:10 <FranciscoD> so that's my PhD, but I don't look at development---only adults 15:56:14 <mhough> I am going to read his book for sure 15:56:17 <FranciscoD> development is far too complex 15:56:46 <MeWjOr> How would you define structural plasticity in 2-3 sentences? 15:56:47 <mhough> psychiatry is really about developmental pyschopathology 15:57:23 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: changes in the structure of cells of the brain is structural plasticity in the brain 15:57:45 <FranciscoD> since neurons change structure, it can result in changes in the way they connect to each other 15:58:10 <FranciscoD> which affects the circuits of the networks they are in, and thus, how the networks process information 15:58:26 <FranciscoD> which, of course, can affect behaviour 15:58:34 <MeWjOr> Ahh... I never knew that cells can change shapes 15:59:01 <FranciscoD> well, not too much---but they have microscopic bits that sprout and retract 15:59:12 <MeWjOr> Do neurons change structure to connect to other neurons when in need? 15:59:29 <FranciscoD> looks like it, but that's still an open question 15:59:39 <mhough> They are changing their internal metabolism 15:59:48 <FranciscoD> +1 16:00:05 <FranciscoD> lots of calcium pathways and changes to actin chains etc 16:00:11 <FranciscoD> it gets really chemical really fast XD 16:00:16 <mhough> you know the cells are using different sets of genes at different times of the lifespan 16:01:03 <MeWjOr> different sets from the whole combination of the genes we have? 16:02:27 <mhough> yes 16:02:34 <MeWjOr> neuroscience is really fascinating.... 16:02:51 <MeWjOr> Anyhow... We are a tad bit out of time.. 16:02:58 <MeWjOr> so let's move onto the next section 16:03:04 <MeWjOr> #topic Open Floor 16:03:05 <FranciscoD> Yeh, :) 16:03:21 <MeWjOr> So... FOSDEM? 16:03:42 <MeWjOr> zbyszek said he would be attending as well 16:03:54 <MeWjOr> and so did gicmo 16:04:03 <FranciscoD> yeh, and we'll try to get you there as well 16:04:13 <MeWjOr> :) 16:04:15 <gicmo> Yeah, pretty sure I will be there! 16:04:19 <FranciscoD> deadlines for submission is 1st Dec, so we have time 16:04:37 <MeWjOr> plenty of time, I would say... :P 16:04:46 <FranciscoD> I can start working on the submission and send you folks a link when I have a draft ready? 16:05:02 <MeWjOr> What would we submit, though? 16:05:12 <FranciscoD> https://research-fosdem.github.io/ 16:05:21 <FranciscoD> A talk similar to what we did at Flock really 16:05:28 <gicmo> sounds great! 16:05:29 <MeWjOr> Ahh.. 16:05:47 <FranciscoD> Introduce NeuroFedora, speak about the motivation behind it, and where we are now---showcase the comp-neuro ISO etc 16:06:12 <FranciscoD> the three of you will have to decide who wants to do the talking :P 16:07:04 <gicmo> Happy to do it, if nobody wants to ;) 16:07:06 <mhough> i am hoping to come 16:07:08 <FranciscoD> XD 16:07:10 <MeWjOr> I can... but I would really like if any other wants to do as well 16:07:20 <FranciscoD> plenty of time to decide that as well 16:07:41 <MeWjOr> mhough: ooo... great! 16:08:18 <MeWjOr> I would like to close the meeting in about 2 minutes... ' 16:08:33 <MeWjOr> Any other discussions? 16:09:06 <MeWjOr> #topic Next meeting and chair 16:09:07 <mhough> Just that I am hoping to make the open source software meetups at SfN this weekend 16:09:14 <FranciscoD> mhough: nice 16:09:26 <mhough> It might help for FOSDEM too 16:09:30 <FranciscoD> +1 16:09:40 <gicmo> very cool 16:09:41 <FranciscoD> too bad I have all the stickers, and I can rarely make it to any confs :( 16:09:49 <MeWjOr> seems great! 16:09:50 <FranciscoD> I'll make sure I get them to fosdem, though! 16:10:00 <mhough> Definitely 16:10:04 <gicmo> mhough: some of the guys who organize the FOSDEM devroom are at SfN 16:10:22 <mhough> oh cool 16:10:47 <MeWjOr> So... next meeting? next week? 16:10:56 <MeWjOr> +1 if you agree 16:10:59 <MeWjOr> +1 16:11:05 <mhough> +1 16:11:13 <gicmo> +1 16:11:18 <FranciscoD> +1 16:11:27 <MeWjOr> any volunteers for the chair? 16:11:32 <mhough> My daughter is in a new school so I have trouble making it at 8AM sorry 16:11:38 <gicmo> mhough: Achilleas for sure will be, I am sure you can find him at the G-Node booth at the Neuroscience in Germay section 16:11:57 <mhough> gicmo: awesome thanks 16:12:15 <gicmo> different time? I normally have Destkop Teem Meeting at Thursday in this time slot 16:12:24 <mhough> Yeah I am definitely going to catch up with INCF too 16:12:37 <FranciscoD> gicmo: sure, we could do another whenisgood? 16:12:45 <MeWjOr> I guess we can change the meeting time, if it affects gicmo and mhough 16:12:56 <mhough> that would be great. 16:13:04 <FranciscoD> let's do that then 16:13:17 <MeWjOr> I can setup an issue for that... 16:13:27 <MeWjOr> on Pagure 16:13:43 <gicmo> \o/ 16:13:55 <MeWjOr> #action Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:01 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: I can set up a whenisgood and send it to the list 16:14:04 <FranciscoD> it'll take me 5 min 16:14:08 <MeWjOr> #undo 16:14:08 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by MeWjOr at 16:13:55 : Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:08 * FranciscoD is a whenisgood ninja 16:14:15 <MeWjOr> #action FranciscoD Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:20 <FranciscoD> ++ 16:14:24 <MeWjOr> great 16:14:38 <MeWjOr> next meeting and chair will be decided later on I guess then.. 16:14:46 <gicmo> sweet 16:14:49 <MeWjOr> closing the meeting in a few seconds 16:14:50 <FranciscoD> +1 16:15:00 <MeWjOr> #endmeeting