15:00:32 #startmeeting NeuroFedora 2019-10-17 15:00:32 Meeting started Thu Oct 17 15:00:32 2019 UTC. 15:00:32 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:32 The chair is MeWjOr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:32 The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora_2019-10-17' 15:00:41 #meetingname fedora-neuro 15:00:41 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-neuro' 15:00:47 #chair qicmo 15:00:47 Current chairs: MeWjOr qicmo 15:01:01 #topic Agenda Summary 15:01:07 #info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/neuro-sig@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6XO6XQBIS3PT2WLNJ4I6NBH2HTVFUSDJ/ 15:01:15 #info Introductions and roll call 15:01:22 #info Tasks from last meeting 15:01:27 #info Pagure tickets 15:01:35 #info Bugs 15:01:45 * FranciscoD is here 15:01:55 #info Neuroscience query of the week / podcast discussion 15:02:00 #info Open floor 15:02:07 * gicmo is here too, and spelled with a g not a q :P 15:02:22 We can discuss about FOSDEM in the open floor 15:02:34 * MeWjOr needs to fix my fonts... :P 15:02:45 #unchair qicmo 15:02:45 Current chairs: MeWjOr 15:02:46 @bt0dotninja @keszybz @mhough Alessio @LoKoMurdoK @lbazan @Blackfile @dan1mal @victortyau ping, meeting just begun :) 15:02:56 #chair gicmo 15:02:56 Current chairs: MeWjOr gicmo 15:03:01 #chair FranciscoD 15:03:01 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr gicmo 15:03:17 Thanks for the ping, @FranciscoD 15:03:28 #topic Introductions and roll call 15:04:05 .fasinfo ankursinha 15:04:06 FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email: sanjay.ankur@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active 15:04:09 FranciscoD: Approved Groups: provenpackager +packager robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa 15:04:13 * FranciscoD quickly runs off to get tea 15:04:15 Hello! My name is Aniket Pradhan... :) 15:04:22 .fasinfo major 15:04:23 MeWjOr: User: major, Name: Aniket Pradhan, email: aniketpradhan1999@gmail.com, Creation: 2019-02-09, IRC Nick: MeWjOr, major_, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 15:04:25 MeWjOr: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager wikiedit cla_done cla_fpca 15:05:21 .fasinfo gicmo 15:05:25 gicmo: User: gicmo, Name: Christian Kellner, email: ckellner@redhat.com, Creation: 2017-01-09, IRC Nick: gicmo, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 15:05:28 gicmo: Approved Groups: +neuro-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca 15:05:55 .hello2 15:05:55 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 15:06:04 #chair zbyszek 15:06:04 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr gicmo zbyszek 15:06:09 Hello! 15:07:50 Moving onto the next topic... 15:08:00 #topic Tasks from last meeting on 2019-10-10 15:08:08 #info Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-neuro/2019-10-10/neurofedora.2019-10-10-15.01.html 15:08:23 #info FranciscoD write blog post on NeuroFedora updates: Pending 15:08:33 :( 15:08:38 please re-action it to me 15:08:44 * FranciscoD will make sure he finds time this week 15:08:58 #action FranciscoD write blog post on neurofedora updates 15:09:14 .fasinfo bt0dotninja 15:09:15 bt0: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active 15:09:16 hi 15:09:17 #info mhough create ticket to document what ITK features we need, and block other packages that need them: Pending 15:09:18 bt0: Approved Groups: neuro-sig fedorabugs packager +advocates @commops +summer-coding +ask-fedora mindshare +fedora-join @fedora-mx ambassadors dotnet-team marketing cla_done cla_fpca 15:09:25 #chair bt0 15:09:25 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr bt0 gicmo zbyszek 15:09:59 It was an easy week...There was not much to do, I guess... :P 15:10:09 Moving on 15:10:15 #Topic Pagure tickets 15:10:26 #info Pagure tickets marked for this meeting: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting 15:10:45 #info Issue #301: NeuroFedora brochure - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/301 15:11:01 Great effort into the brochure @dan1mal. :D 15:11:45 I guess we can consult the design team about this... What are your thoughts? 15:12:16 +1 15:12:23 It will definitely help the PR of the SIG... 15:12:36 mktg + design should be consulted, since they need to check fro brand guidelines etc 15:12:41 +1 15:13:09 So that is more targeted at getting new SIG members than neurofedora users? 15:13:10 Okay then... Since dan1mal is not here, I will ask if he can pursue with the design team on Pagure... 15:13:25 * FranciscoD needs to check again 15:13:34 I've forgotten what the brochure was 15:14:03 #action MeWjOr ask Dan1mal on the pagure issue if he can pursue the ticket with the design team 15:14:10 gicmo: it seems to be a general information brochure, one that we can give out at events to get the word out 15:14:30 but yes, the text seems to aim at encouraging people to join us 15:15:06 I guess we can work up the text once the design is ready..? Or do we ready up the text first? 15:15:58 am I missing something or is the inside(?) of it not missing? I assume it is folded twice and then there would be something printed on the other side of the paper too? 15:16:03 (cool stuff anyway) 15:16:31 gicmo: Yes... Folded twice to form three partitions... 15:16:55 Yeh, if that's the case, it needs the other side too 15:16:57 I just realized that there would be extra space on the back 15:17:17 that's good though---one side for users, one that encourages contribution 15:17:19 :D 15:17:33 yeah!! 15:17:40 great 15:17:45 my thoughts exactly 15:18:22 next issue 15:18:33 #info Issue #250: Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/250 15:18:43 Still blocked by the badges ticket, I'm afraid 15:18:46 The issue is on hold until https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/678 is resolved. 15:18:51 yes... :( 15:18:55 maybe I can ping in..? 15:19:25 I'm just doing that now 15:19:50 done 15:20:11 is the badges web-app going to remain after the CPE team are done? 15:20:13 I commented as well... :P 15:20:35 I guess it should be there.. 15:21:02 Yeh, we'll have to wait and see. Doesn't matter at the moment 15:21:18 :P 15:21:27 Moving on... 15:21:43 #info Comp Neuro lab image PR has been merged: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8873 15:21:52 Congrats people!.... 15:22:09 Yay! 15:22:25 :) 15:22:42 Has it been built yet? 15:22:58 Anyone know where releng puts the composes? 15:23:34 There has not been a rebuild yet... right? They notify it on the devel ML and I did not see any info regarding that 15:24:12 I think there might have been some issue with composes recently. 15:24:28 Some packages I built in F32 koji haven't been pushed out yet. 15:25:49 The last compose report came out three days ago 15:26:41 #chair blackfile 15:26:41 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr blackfile bt0 gicmo zbyszek 15:26:44 OK, it'll happen eventually 15:26:53 .fas blackfile 15:26:56 blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' 15:27:13 moving on to the next topic then... 15:27:26 #topic Open bugs 15:27:37 #info Open bugs: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs 15:28:00 There are regular package updates... and a review request and some more bugs.. 15:28:13 Can I review this package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1759883 15:29:15 .bug 1759883 15:29:16 FranciscoD: 1759883 – Review Request: dolfin - FEniCS computational backend and problem solving environment - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1759883 15:29:16 Alas, it is being blocked by some other bug 15:29:27 yeh, the deps are being worked on 15:29:35 It's mostly done. 15:29:47 there are a few bugs missing from the list---qfang's bugs arent there 15:29:50 * FranciscoD goes to look 15:29:50 I'm trying to build slepc, but it's a mess. 15:30:09 :P 15:31:16 * MeWjOr still cannot figure out how to assign bugs 15:31:32 MeWjOr: let's sort that today after the meeting---very very odd 15:31:42 I guess its time to talk to infra about this... 15:31:45 Ohh..sure 15:32:00 Did you find qfang's bugs? 15:33:27 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1761576 is one 15:33:33 the others are .. lost 15:34:17 maybe they were resolved? 15:34:34 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=__open__&bug_status=__closed__&email1=fangqq%40gmail.com&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=10575809&query_format=advanced 15:34:37 yeh, most of them 15:35:07 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1760617 15:35:23 that's on my list to review 15:35:28 * FranciscoD throws it through fedora-review now 15:36:02 #action FranciscoD Review package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1760617 15:36:06 MeWjOr: I guess there aren't a lot of packages to review---maybe just pick up another from the list to package? 15:36:13 #chair mhough 15:36:13 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr blackfile bt0 gicmo mhough zbyszek 15:36:24 .fas mhough 15:36:24 mhough: adamhough '' - mhough 'Morgan Hough' 15:36:26 Sure... 15:36:56 #action MeWjOr Pick and package something... 15:37:13 moving on to the next part 15:37:31 #topic Neuroscience query of the week/podcast discussion 15:38:28 I found the topics discussed quite interesting and full of information... Specially the definition of Genome 15:38:49 #info Podcast link: http://brainsciencepodcast.libsyn.com/bs-159-kevin-mitchell-author-of-innate-how-the-wiring-of-our-brains-shapes-who-we-are 15:39:16 Yeh, lots of good info about changes in the brain during development etc 15:39:21 Kevin Mitchell has a lot of great pieces 15:39:50 I think such podcasts fit our "neuroscience query of the week" better 15:40:24 maybe we just rename it to "Neuroscience of the week" and someone can suggest an interesting podcast each week 15:40:37 (instead of a research paper that we may all find too technical) 15:41:07 the one thing I was not able to figure out was the definition of "trait"... The author defined it as the variations present in the population but I sort of don't exactly get what he meant by it 15:41:52 any geneticists here? XD 15:42:20 This seems to fit, although as an academic I shouldn't be referring to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotypic_trait 15:42:44 He gave an example of the color of an eye, saying that it is variable and hence is considered a trait... but the number of eyes are not and hence it is not... He also gave some points on how Intelligence is a trait... can someone explain this one? 15:42:54 Lol... 15:43:51 there is no variation in the number of eyes in humans, so that's not a trait 15:44:08 a trait by definition is something that in the population being observed, can vary 15:44:11 I *think* 15:44:23 No... I meant how Intelligence is a trait... because it cannot be inherited... right? 15:44:38 No. 15:44:44 * FranciscoD doesn't know 15:44:46 It is heritable 15:44:51 to some degree 15:44:57 Of course it can inherited, and is variable in the population. 15:45:00 I'm not even sure of how one defines intelligence tbh 15:45:06 whoa... 15:45:13 Thats a good question 15:45:25 I doubt it is the IQ scores 15:45:32 or the SAT scores 15:45:40 Consider height, rather than inteligence, because it's a) better defined, b) easier to measure. 15:45:44 But that is what we use in neurogentics 15:46:19 There's a correlation with parents, and there are some hereditary components, and some non-hereditary influences. 15:46:48 So height is a trait, dependent on some complex combination of genes (and other things, like amount of food). 15:47:02 We used IQ tests in high school kids to look for brain correlates of intelligence 15:47:34 YEs 15:47:52 zbyszek: according to the podcast, Kevin stated traits as charracterstics that are either inherited or influenced by the environmental noise 15:48:29 not "either" as in mutually exclusive 15:48:51 that was my next question... :P 15:48:53 Well, almost everything is "or" those two things, in the sense of "one and the other". 15:50:13 mhough: Do neuroscientests use any other measure of intelligence other than the IQ... say considering one's family history? 15:50:24 I seem to remember that the point Kevin was trying to make was that there's a third factor when it comes to brain development, the stochastic nature of changes in brain networks 15:51:10 MeWjOr: so, neuroscience covers many levels---from genes, to cells, to behaviour 15:51:13 There might be some other tests that are included 15:51:27 intelligence is generally studied at the top level---because it is so hard to define clearly 15:52:20 Ohh... that's interesting 15:52:27 yeh, there must be some "standard" metrics 15:52:50 Its important to not focus on "Intelligence" and know you are just looking at whatever the test is asking from people 15:53:31 +1 A higher metric on one of these tests does not imply that the individual is better at anything other than the one task they were asked to undertake 15:53:34 and at that point in time 15:53:39 the next day, they may not fare so well 15:53:41 XD 15:54:06 I think the Allen Institutes work on teaching a system to do 8grade math problems is interesting for understanding what an IQ test is really testing 15:54:27 Not a lot of scientists I meet like to look at "intelligence" or "consciousness"---they're not well defined enough. 15:54:44 yeh, the standard IQ tests are quite controversial 15:55:17 A computer is very good at math, much better than humans, but understanding word problems is a different problem 15:55:29 MeWjOr: TLDR; don't worry about intelligence---we don't know enough to study/define it 15:55:52 or build it:) 15:55:52 focus on the cool stuff---like how the brain develops :D 15:55:56 :P 15:56:01 * FranciscoD does structural plasticity 15:56:10 so that's my PhD, but I don't look at development---only adults 15:56:14 I am going to read his book for sure 15:56:17 development is far too complex 15:56:46 How would you define structural plasticity in 2-3 sentences? 15:56:47 psychiatry is really about developmental pyschopathology 15:57:23 MeWjOr: changes in the structure of cells of the brain is structural plasticity in the brain 15:57:45 since neurons change structure, it can result in changes in the way they connect to each other 15:58:10 which affects the circuits of the networks they are in, and thus, how the networks process information 15:58:26 which, of course, can affect behaviour 15:58:34 Ahh... I never knew that cells can change shapes 15:59:01 well, not too much---but they have microscopic bits that sprout and retract 15:59:12 Do neurons change structure to connect to other neurons when in need? 15:59:29 looks like it, but that's still an open question 15:59:39 They are changing their internal metabolism 15:59:48 +1 16:00:05 lots of calcium pathways and changes to actin chains etc 16:00:11 it gets really chemical really fast XD 16:00:16 you know the cells are using different sets of genes at different times of the lifespan 16:01:03 different sets from the whole combination of the genes we have? 16:02:27 yes 16:02:34 neuroscience is really fascinating.... 16:02:51 Anyhow... We are a tad bit out of time.. 16:02:58 so let's move onto the next section 16:03:04 #topic Open Floor 16:03:05 Yeh, :) 16:03:21 So... FOSDEM? 16:03:42 zbyszek said he would be attending as well 16:03:54 and so did gicmo 16:04:03 yeh, and we'll try to get you there as well 16:04:13 :) 16:04:15 Yeah, pretty sure I will be there! 16:04:19 deadlines for submission is 1st Dec, so we have time 16:04:37 plenty of time, I would say... :P 16:04:46 I can start working on the submission and send you folks a link when I have a draft ready? 16:05:02 What would we submit, though? 16:05:12 https://research-fosdem.github.io/ 16:05:21 A talk similar to what we did at Flock really 16:05:28 sounds great! 16:05:29 Ahh.. 16:05:47 Introduce NeuroFedora, speak about the motivation behind it, and where we are now---showcase the comp-neuro ISO etc 16:06:12 the three of you will have to decide who wants to do the talking :P 16:07:04 Happy to do it, if nobody wants to ;) 16:07:06 i am hoping to come 16:07:08 XD 16:07:10 I can... but I would really like if any other wants to do as well 16:07:20 plenty of time to decide that as well 16:07:41 mhough: ooo... great! 16:08:18 I would like to close the meeting in about 2 minutes... ' 16:08:33 Any other discussions? 16:09:06 #topic Next meeting and chair 16:09:07 Just that I am hoping to make the open source software meetups at SfN this weekend 16:09:14 mhough: nice 16:09:26 It might help for FOSDEM too 16:09:30 +1 16:09:40 very cool 16:09:41 too bad I have all the stickers, and I can rarely make it to any confs :( 16:09:49 seems great! 16:09:50 I'll make sure I get them to fosdem, though! 16:10:00 Definitely 16:10:04 mhough: some of the guys who organize the FOSDEM devroom are at SfN 16:10:22 oh cool 16:10:47 So... next meeting? next week? 16:10:56 +1 if you agree 16:10:59 +1 16:11:05 +1 16:11:13 +1 16:11:18 +1 16:11:27 any volunteers for the chair? 16:11:32 My daughter is in a new school so I have trouble making it at 8AM sorry 16:11:38 mhough: Achilleas for sure will be, I am sure you can find him at the G-Node booth at the Neuroscience in Germay section 16:11:57 gicmo: awesome thanks 16:12:15 different time? I normally have Destkop Teem Meeting at Thursday in this time slot 16:12:24 Yeah I am definitely going to catch up with INCF too 16:12:37 gicmo: sure, we could do another whenisgood? 16:12:45 I guess we can change the meeting time, if it affects gicmo and mhough 16:12:56 that would be great. 16:13:04 let's do that then 16:13:17 I can setup an issue for that... 16:13:27 on Pagure 16:13:43 \o/ 16:13:55 #action Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:01 MeWjOr: I can set up a whenisgood and send it to the list 16:14:04 it'll take me 5 min 16:14:08 #undo 16:14:08 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by MeWjOr at 16:13:55 : Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:08 * FranciscoD is a whenisgood ninja 16:14:15 #action FranciscoD Set-up a new meeting time for the weekly meetings 16:14:20 ++ 16:14:24 great 16:14:38 next meeting and chair will be decided later on I guess then.. 16:14:46 sweet 16:14:49 closing the meeting in a few seconds 16:14:50 +1 16:15:00 #endmeeting