18:01:54 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting "NeuroFedora - 20200518"
18:01:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon May 18 18:01:54 2020 UTC.
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18:02:21 <FranciscoD> #meetingname neurofedora
18:02:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
18:02:40 <FranciscoD> #chair mhough zbyszek mhough lbazan gicmo bt0 alciregi
18:02:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0 gicmo lbazan mhough zbyszek
18:02:53 <FranciscoD> If anyone else is here for the meeting, please let me know too so I can add you to the list of chairs
18:03:09 <FranciscoD> #topic Agenda
18:03:24 <FranciscoD> #info New introductions and roll call
18:03:33 <FranciscoD> #info Tasks from last week's meeting
18:03:39 <FranciscoD> #info Open Pagure tickets
18:03:45 <FranciscoD> #info Comp Neuro Lab compose check
18:03:58 <FranciscoD> #info Bug review
18:04:07 <FranciscoD> #info Neuroscience query of the fortnight
18:04:16 <FranciscoD> #info Next meeting day and chair
18:04:19 <FranciscoD> #info Open floor
18:04:26 <FranciscoD> #topic New introductions and roll call
18:04:47 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha: packaging and stuff
18:04:49 <FranciscoD> XD
18:04:51 <MeWjOr> I'm here
18:04:58 <MeWjOr> #chair MeWjOr
18:05:06 <FranciscoD> #chair MeWjOr
18:05:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr alciregi bt0 gicmo lbazan mhough zbyszek
18:05:37 <MeWjOr> #info major/MeWjOr: currently nothing... Legacy support maybe? :P
18:05:46 <FranciscoD> haha
18:06:13 <FranciscoD> let's wait a minute or two
18:06:19 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> Here
18:07:18 <FranciscoD> hello @bt0dotninja!
18:07:53 <FranciscoD> ok, next topic
18:07:58 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from last week
18:08:02 <FranciscoD> #info https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/neurofedora/neurofedora.2020-04-27-18.01.html
18:08:16 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD update docs to remove info about the iso image we generated : DONE
18:08:34 <FranciscoD> #info  FranciscoD e-mail devel list asking for volunteers: pending
18:08:38 <FranciscoD> I don't think I've done that yet
18:08:58 <FranciscoD> not sure if it's worth doing at the moment, what do you folks think?
18:09:47 <MeWjOr> We have a heap-load of packages left.. and plenty other work...
18:10:12 <bt0> maybe you can point me to some easy ones
18:10:17 <FranciscoD> yeh, but the devel list does not seem to be the set of people with the free time to take this on IMO
18:10:23 <FranciscoD> #chair bt0
18:10:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr alciregi bt0 gicmo lbazan mhough zbyszek
18:10:45 <FranciscoD> bt0: there are quite a few ones tagged with "easy" or "good first issue": perhaps start with them?
18:10:52 <MeWjOr> That too as well... :/
18:10:53 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> Cool
18:11:01 <FranciscoD> I can find ones for you after the meeting if you wish
18:11:14 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> Yeah I will take some
18:11:19 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: that's sort of why I wrote the post as "we're looking for trainees"
18:11:28 <FranciscoD> hoping that'll attract folks who are looking to learn
18:11:36 <FranciscoD> but it isn't that easy either tbg
18:11:40 <FranciscoD> s/tbg/tbh/
18:12:03 <FranciscoD> Should we discuss ideas on increasing the team in open floor perhaps?
18:12:11 <MeWjOr> yep...
18:12:24 <FranciscoD> #info Discuss ideas on increasing the team in Open Floor
18:12:41 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD add spin-master to list of open positions in blog post: DONE
18:12:58 <FranciscoD> I didn't explicitly say "spin master" because people outside the community wouldn't know what that meant
18:13:22 <MeWjOr> +1
18:13:25 <FranciscoD> i just said "software development"
18:13:35 <MeWjOr> umm... that's very generic
18:13:37 <MeWjOr> XD
18:13:58 <FranciscoD> Yeh, but how do you we envelop packaging/testing/spin generation and so on? :(
18:14:20 <MeWjOr> agreed
18:14:41 <FranciscoD> I gave some more info in there, but for a non Fedora audience writing the details isn't ideal
18:15:09 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail neuroscience mailing lists about the CompNeuro release: DONE
18:15:20 <FranciscoD> this went well, we got some retweets etc also
18:15:52 <FranciscoD> that's all the action items
18:16:40 <FranciscoD> #topic Open pagure tickets
18:16:57 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
18:17:02 <FranciscoD> Nothing here this week :D
18:17:11 <FranciscoD> #info No tickets to discuss: YAY
18:17:24 <FranciscoD> #topic Bugs
18:17:28 <FranciscoD> #info https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs
18:18:23 <FranciscoD> #info Not too many urgent bugs: a few updates, a few remaining slightly complex FTBFS bugs
18:18:31 <FranciscoD> Any particular ones that merit a discussion?
18:18:34 <MeWjOr> Well... I was wondering if I should start with any open tickets this week... maybe take some time off my work and get started here
18:18:57 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: sure,
18:18:58 <MeWjOr> I'll go through the "catalogue" and see which one's I can work on
18:19:02 <FranciscoD> +1
18:19:09 <MeWjOr> catalogue -> the bug list
18:19:10 <FranciscoD> but don't let it affect work :)
18:19:38 <MeWjOr> yeah, working from home has other constraints... one of which is using Windows!
18:20:03 <FranciscoD> LOL
18:20:21 <FranciscoD> #topic Compose check
18:20:59 <FranciscoD> #info Latest was incomplete: https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/1447
18:21:18 <FranciscoD> let's see if it's one of our packages or just a generic failure
18:21:32 <FranciscoD> #info koji task: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=44632603
18:21:57 <MeWjOr> It was LibreOffice that was not building correctly last time right?
18:22:03 <FranciscoD> #info root.log: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/2606/44632606/root.log
18:22:08 <FranciscoD> yes, that got fixed iirc
18:22:31 <FranciscoD> Now it's the tex stack, but I'm sure this is known and is being worked on, if not already fixed.
18:22:43 <MeWjOr> tex live?
18:22:52 <MeWjOr> I saw a mail on devel recently about it
18:22:58 <MeWjOr> texlive 2020 maybe
18:23:10 <FranciscoD> Yeh
18:23:33 <FranciscoD> #info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2JPVOJLK7NPTBI7IZPMB3L6MUHT3JMFW/ -> TeXLive 2020 is causing it, will be fixed soon
18:23:36 <FranciscoD> spot++
18:23:36 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for spot changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:23:44 <FranciscoD> only he knows how he manages the stack
18:23:52 <MeWjOr> lol
18:24:14 <FranciscoD> the spec file is generated using a C program, that's how complex it is!
18:25:00 <FranciscoD> #info Compose: nothing we need to do at the moment
18:25:18 <FranciscoD> #topic Query of the fortnight
18:25:29 <MeWjOr> spec using C... O>O
18:25:32 <FranciscoD> #info Some new stuff here that's worth looking at: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318
18:26:16 <FranciscoD> Here's a nature paper on COVID and an antibody that neurtralizes it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2349-y
18:26:59 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#318: "NeuroFedora reading/listening list" https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318#comment-652884
18:27:13 <FranciscoD> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/blind-vision-brain-stimulation-trace-letters -> was quite intersting
18:27:25 <FranciscoD> "Blind people can ‘see’ letters traced directly onto their brains | Science News"
18:28:42 <MeWjOr> Okay... how do people even conduct studies like this?
18:28:48 <FranciscoD> XD
18:29:01 <FranciscoD> I'll have to read the methods section of the paper to answer that
18:29:21 <MeWjOr> lol... I'll go through as well
18:29:42 <FranciscoD> OK, so open floor then :D
18:29:45 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
18:30:20 <FranciscoD> #info The Java SIG has been re-launched, and quite a few folks joined to help out: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/stewardship-sig@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/NGE3RS4U2LZ2DTLSSAURVDSKDKZM2PV4/
18:30:22 <FranciscoD> decathorpe++
18:30:42 * FranciscoD joined because of the java packages in NeuroFedora
18:30:52 <FranciscoD> let's hope we can get java sorted :D
18:31:04 <MeWjOr> that's good news
18:31:13 <FranciscoD> anything else before we move on to brainstorming on how to attract more folks?
18:31:49 <MeWjOr> Java guys literally deserve an applause... I couldn't even get the how to package native java code
18:32:02 <FranciscoD> if it's maven, I now understand it
18:32:07 <MeWjOr> spot++
18:32:07 <zodbot> MeWjOr: Karma for spot changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:32:14 <MeWjOr> let's hope they come back :P
18:32:23 <FranciscoD> but the whole gradle system is just not something I understand yet
18:32:55 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: a lot of the java bits were managed by RH folks initially, and i think they moved off it and dropped their packages
18:33:06 <MeWjOr> gradle was a mess when I was starting out with mobile app development :P
18:33:13 <MeWjOr> whoa
18:33:26 <FranciscoD> not entirely sure of the history there, but let's hope the new SIG lives long and well
18:33:36 <MeWjOr> yep
18:34:11 <FranciscoD> Should we move on to brainstorming for ideas?
18:34:42 <mhough> Hey there, sorry
18:35:10 <FranciscoD> mhough: hello, no worries :)
18:35:21 <FranciscoD> #topic Attracting more contributors
18:35:39 <mhough> Happy to talk later too about neuroimaging
18:35:43 <FranciscoD> So, let's start with a 5 minute brainstorm: put down whatever comes into our heads as infos.
18:35:56 <FranciscoD> (the idea is not to overthink and just put everything down, and then filter later)
18:36:00 <FranciscoD> #info More outreach
18:36:16 <FranciscoD> #info Make meetings even more open: advertise on social media also
18:36:22 <FranciscoD> #info packaging classroom sessions?
18:36:47 <FranciscoD> #info invited talks from folks in the field?
18:36:58 <FranciscoD> #info university collaborations
18:37:30 <FranciscoD> #info move to more accessible meeting format: jitsi/zoom and all that?
18:37:52 <FranciscoD> #info speak to tool devs to ask what it would take for them to make neurofedora their default usage platform?
18:38:21 <FranciscoD> #info poke new folks in the join sig channels towards packaging (I already do this :P)
18:38:40 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr mhough : any ideas? please just throw them out
18:38:44 <FranciscoD> bt0: ^
18:38:48 <mhough> will do
18:39:11 <MeWjOr> I was just looking at your ideas... I can't think of anything better
18:39:43 <FranciscoD> #info regular packaging classroom sessions
18:39:49 <FranciscoD> #info vFADs
18:40:13 <FranciscoD> #info blog posts on using NeuroFedora for actual work
18:40:31 <FranciscoD> #info replicating bits and publishing in rescience using NeuroFedora (https://rescience.github.io/)
18:40:47 <FranciscoD> #info calls for volunteers on academic mailing lists (may not get through moderation)
18:41:23 <FranciscoD> #info get funding/grants/sponsorshipts: MONEY (dunno how: don't think it can be done in an academic capacity, but perhaps in a FOSS capacity)
18:41:45 <FranciscoD> #info Use contacts in academia to encourage students
18:42:09 <FranciscoD> zbyszek mhough : you folks have any contacts who may supervise students etc and may be open to encouraging participation on FOSS/NeuroFedora?
18:42:46 <FranciscoD> #info "hire" volunteers: not even sure how or what this would be tbh
18:43:23 <FranciscoD> #info tweet to scicomm etc folks
18:43:42 <FranciscoD> #info link up with INCF somehow
18:44:14 <FranciscoD> #info student internships (can we give actual letters/certificates that universities require??)
18:45:12 <MeWjOr> well.. I am out of ideas...
18:45:37 <FranciscoD> I think my neurons have spiked all they would too
18:45:53 <MeWjOr> But I particularly like the idea of inviting people for some talk and university collaborations
18:45:54 <FranciscoD> OK, out of this pile of random text, which ones can we try for a start?
18:46:18 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: I do too, but now we've got to do a "cost analysis"
18:46:28 <FranciscoD> inviting academics to such talks is *hard*
18:46:49 <FranciscoD> university collaborations are even harder: Fedora had a campus something initiative that broke down iirc
18:47:06 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors
18:47:34 <FranciscoD> What ideas have a higher return/effort ratio?
18:47:42 <FranciscoD> ie., more return on less effort?
18:47:57 <FranciscoD> we can advertise the meetings on social media, that's easy
18:48:10 <FranciscoD> #info have a neurofedora twitter handle and tweet from it daily
18:48:18 <FranciscoD> another relatively less effort requiring idea
18:48:19 <MeWjOr> yep... and can move from the IRC
18:48:34 <FranciscoD> OK, let's try that
18:48:43 <mhough> that was a lot of good ideas
18:48:46 <MeWjOr> to some other easy platform, like gitter, or jitsi/zoom
18:48:46 <FranciscoD> #agreed we'll advertise meetings on social media
18:49:26 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: should we try zoom and irc in parallel, is that doable do you think?
18:49:32 <mhough> We are using Jitsi
18:49:38 <FranciscoD> mhough: working well?
18:49:50 <FranciscoD> how many folks, it had performance issues last time we tried it for Fedora classrooms
18:50:14 <mhough> It was until today
18:50:33 <MeWjOr> I'm not really certain of zoom, but we can try other video conferencing solutions like Google Meet alongside IRC/Telegram
18:50:44 <FranciscoD> hangouts you mean?
18:50:47 <mhough> We got zoom bombed in jitsi too
18:50:51 <FranciscoD> google meets is a paid account iirc
18:51:00 <MeWjOr> Google meet is free for all now
18:51:04 <FranciscoD> uh, yeh, the trolling is an issue
18:51:06 <mhough> I think zoom has better features with a waiting room
18:51:22 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: aha? should we try meet next time for a start
18:51:34 <FranciscoD> and the chair can keep logs using meetbot here also?
18:51:47 <MeWjOr> zoom had some vulnerabilities... leading to data loss... That's why many/I avoid it
18:51:52 <FranciscoD> +1
18:51:54 <MeWjOr> s/had/has
18:52:01 <FranciscoD> meet should be OK for a start
18:52:13 <FranciscoD> even jitsi really: works well if there aren't too many people
18:52:19 <MeWjOr> Yep... I'm always in for a video call... Better than staring at a text-editor
18:52:32 <FranciscoD> we could start with jitsi, and if that gives issues, use meet instead
18:52:51 <FranciscoD> jitsi is foss, and doesnt require a google account: many folks I know are quite anti-google :D
18:52:51 <MeWjOr> agreed
18:53:06 <FranciscoD> #agreed Have meetings on jitsi to make them more accessible
18:53:19 <FranciscoD> will have to be wary of the trolling bits, but that can be managed
18:53:31 <MeWjOr> yep
18:53:36 <FranciscoD> how about a dedicated twitter account with regular tweets?
18:53:44 <MeWjOr> ++
18:54:13 <FranciscoD> #agreed finally create a dedicated twitter account for NeuroFedora and tweet every day
18:54:29 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD set up twitter account using neuro-sig private ML address
18:54:34 <FranciscoD> like I did for the github account
18:54:36 <MeWjOr> do we create a new FAS mail for neurofedora twitter?
18:54:40 <MeWjOr> oohhh
18:54:47 <FranciscoD> no, I just use the neuro-sig private ml XD
18:55:28 <FranciscoD> what other low hanging fruits are there?
18:55:29 <MeWjOr> gotta make sure to unsubscribe from twitter notifications then... I get plenty of twitter feeds on my mail
18:55:40 <FranciscoD> yeh, and they'll get stuck in moderation anyway
18:56:20 <FranciscoD> that's better than using neuro-sig-members@fp.o or another account that doesn't have moderation
18:56:30 <FranciscoD> (using the private ML)
18:56:37 <MeWjOr> > speak to tool devs to ask what it would take for them to make neurofedora their default usage platform?
18:56:50 <MeWjOr> we can start with one tool dev?
18:56:58 <FranciscoD> hrm, well I can probably speak to the nest folks
18:57:03 <MeWjOr> so that they would also "recommend" us
18:57:06 <FranciscoD> yeh
18:57:16 <MeWjOr> and we can also say, "as used by ____ devs"
18:57:22 <FranciscoD> +1
18:57:48 <FranciscoD> #agreed reach out to tool devs to ask what it would take for them to make neurofedora their suggested usage platform
18:58:01 <MeWjOr> gicmo, you're in G-Node, right?
18:58:07 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD reach out to NEST folks when possible
18:58:16 <gicmo> MeWjOr: used to, now I am Red Hat
18:58:35 <MeWjOr> oohh... I remember now...
18:58:53 <MeWjOr> anyways, could you also reach out to some folks at G-Node for the same?
18:58:53 <FranciscoD> mhough: any idea how hard it would be to get INCF endorsement?
18:59:22 <FranciscoD> I think regular packaging workshops may be doable, I'll think about how that can be done
18:59:51 <mhough> Yeah definiteyl
18:59:55 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD speak to -devel and -classroom to see if regular packaging workshops/classrooms can be held to increase package maintainers
19:00:15 <FranciscoD> mhough: what does one have to do for INCF endorsement? IIRC there's a whole process, right?
19:00:28 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: do you want to look into this?
19:00:41 <FranciscoD> #info https://www.incf.org/activities/endorse
19:00:56 <FranciscoD> if nothing else, we'll get some good feedback from the scientific community
19:01:06 <MeWjOr> okay... I'll see and report the details about the same
19:01:11 <FranciscoD> we have some neuroscience researchers here in the team, so we can use our affiliations etc
19:01:31 <FranciscoD> great, it's not super important, but if we do get INCF endorsed, that'll help a lot with outreach
19:01:39 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr look at INCF endorsement
19:02:11 <FranciscoD> OK, some good ideas there. We can see at the next meeting how it affected things
19:02:36 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD MeWjOr gicmo mhough bt0 : discuss effects of our measures at the next meeting
19:02:51 <gicmo> MeWjOr: I can reach out yeah
19:03:00 <FranciscoD> gicmo: that'd be awesome, thanks :D
19:03:20 <FranciscoD> even if they can tell us what improvements they want to use Fedora/NeuroFedora, we will have something to work on
19:03:28 <FranciscoD> gicmo++
19:03:28 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for gicmo changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:03:29 <MeWjOr> Thanks a lot gicmo ... you're awesome
19:03:38 <MeWjOr> gicmo++
19:03:38 <zodbot> MeWjOr: Karma for gicmo changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
19:03:43 <FranciscoD> #action gicmo reach out to folks at g-node for feedback/comments on NeuroFedora
19:04:00 <FranciscoD> #topic Next meeting: date, time, chair
19:04:07 <FranciscoD> two weeks? same time?
19:04:12 <MeWjOr> ++
19:04:28 <mhough> Sounds good
19:04:29 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: will you chair?
19:05:07 <MeWjOr> yep... I'll do it
19:05:07 <mhough> I am talking to INCF about membership for NeuroTechX
19:05:34 <FranciscoD> mhough: nice, if NeuroFedora can fit in anywhere, do let us knwo
19:05:40 <FranciscoD> we're not neuro-imaging ready yet, though
19:05:46 <FranciscoD> #action MeWjOr chair next meeting
19:05:48 <mhough> Yeah will do
19:05:53 <FranciscoD> #info Next meeting in 2 weeks, same time
19:06:03 <FranciscoD> OK, let's close, we're 5 minutes over!
19:06:09 <FranciscoD> If there's nothing else, I'll close in a minute
19:06:22 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs etc
19:06:26 <mhough> FranciscoD: let me know if you want to chat neuroimaging
19:06:39 <FranciscoD> mhough: yeh, let me e-mail you and we can perhaps fix a time?
19:06:52 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: how's your week looking, would you have time for a video call too?
19:06:56 <FranciscoD> maybe this or next week
19:06:56 <mhough> Ok np
19:06:57 <FranciscoD> ?
19:07:06 <mhough> Sure
19:07:07 <FranciscoD> I already seem to have plenty of meetings this week XD
19:07:19 <mhough> nilearn dev days this week BTW
19:07:23 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD e-mail folks for a neuro-imaging focussed meeting setup
19:07:26 <MeWjOr> video call + IRC?
19:07:29 <FranciscoD> Yeh, saw that, forwarded it to some folks
19:07:32 <MeWjOr> I could try..
19:07:42 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: if it's only 2-3 of us, just an informal video chat would be OK
19:07:58 <FranciscoD> OK, I'll send you folks a whenisgood
19:08:02 <mhough> OK
19:08:05 <MeWjOr> yep... sounds great for me
19:08:13 <FranciscoD> OK, closing now then.
19:08:16 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting