17:03:16 #startmeeting f18beta-blocker-review-9 17:03:16 Meeting started Wed Nov 21 17:03:16 2012 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:16 nirik: http://94.247.144.115/anaconda.png 17:03:16 #meetingname f18beta-blocker-review-9 17:03:16 The meeting name has been set to 'f18beta-blocker-review-9' 17:03:21 #topic Roll Call 17:03:48 * satellit_e listening FYI just did DVD install of RC1 mate i386 get openbox login only.....thought mate was removed from DVD? 17:04:27 nirik: nothing on f3/4 nor in the logs 17:04:38 nirik: not sure the screenshot is related though 17:04:48 drago01: weird. no idea what that yum error means. Never seen it before. 17:05:13 * adamw calls tflink a roll 17:05:20 * jreznik is around 17:06:04 nirik: neither do all ... "installation failed" isn't really a helpful message for debugging ... 17:07:40 adamw: a roll? ouch 17:09:02 hrm, anyone else? 17:11:42 * akshayvyas is here 17:11:59 that yum error makes me wonder if there was an issue with setup 17:12:29 there are 4 of us, lets try to get started 17:13:01 #topic Introduction 17:13:09 "issue with setup" ? 17:13:28 there is nothing "special" about it 17:13:30 drago01: an issue with getting the package set setup during install 17:13:36 tflink: ah ok 17:13:48 Why are we here? 17:13:50 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 17:13:57 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 17:13:57 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 17:14:02 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 17:14:03 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 17:14:09 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 17:14:10 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria 17:14:10 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria 17:14:10 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria 17:14:27 #info Up for review today, there are: 17:14:33 #info 4 Proposed Blockers 17:14:33 #info 8 Accepted Blockers 17:14:33 #info 1 Proposed NTH 17:14:33 #info 22 Accepted NTH 17:14:54 unless there are any objections, lets get started with the proposed blockers 17:15:09 let's! 17:15:42 * tflink skips 875942 since it's VERIFIED and already NTH 17:15:50 #topic (878225) unlock of VG w/ multiple encrypted PVs in custom leads to traceback 17:15:53 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878225 17:15:55 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED 17:16:22 this ought to be fixed in RC1, needs testing 17:16:25 kparal was unable to reproduce 17:16:43 i'm probably -1 blocker, this is a bit pokemony. 17:16:54 well, close. 17:17:06 how is it pokemony? 17:17:18 seems like you need multiple disks 17:17:31 the VM i hit it on did have two disks connected 17:18:02 so having 2 disks and using autopart is pokemon-y? 17:18:15 encrypted autopart. 17:18:27 having two disks, using encrypted autopart, and then re-installing over that setup. 17:18:33 oh, and going into custom partitioning. 17:18:41 and trying to unlock the existing PV. 17:18:57 I see your point 17:18:59 i dunno, borderline, like i said. 17:19:04 final blocker, maybe 17:19:33 someone's cloning jreznik again :) 17:19:44 other thoughts? 17:19:48 or votes? 17:19:57 for now i am +1 NTH here. 17:20:14 it's already accepted as NTH 17:20:34 question is 'do we slip if the fix is bad', more or less :) 17:20:42 * jreznik_ is back from another meeting, and you know, it's docking station vs wifi - so clone 17:21:17 drago01: i'm trying to see if i can reproduce your bug. 17:21:27 and I'm borderline on this as well 17:21:35 adamw: ok thanks 17:21:42 with what we have right now, I would say probably not 17:22:00 what we have -> information and details in the bug 17:22:32 drago01: i think it hit the slowest mirror ever, retrying... 17:22:47 * jreznik_ has to admit does not understand it very well... 17:23:03 proposed #agreed 878225 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criterion and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on the machine and thus, rejected as blocker 17:23:12 ack 17:23:17 ack 17:24:09 * tflink waits for a third 17:24:20 ack 17:24:27 #agreed 878225 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criterion and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on the machine and thus, rejected as blocker 17:25:16 bah, my inability to read today continues ... 17:25:24 * tflink skipped the wrong bug before 17:25:32 #topic (875942) KeyError: None 17:25:33 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875942 17:25:33 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED 17:27:21 * kparal joins 17:27:33 this is effectively the same bug, you're not having deja vu 17:27:33 I'm thinking the same as the other encryption bug 17:27:41 so same decision 17:27:56 dlehman just happened to find 878225 while looking into 875942 17:28:00 yeah, it took me a minute - the last bug appeared with the fix for this 17:29:01 proposed #agreed 875942 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criteria and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on affected machines and thus is rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. 17:29:30 ack 17:30:16 well, ack 17:30:56 ack 17:31:02 #agreed 875942 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release criteria and seems to be outside the most common paths - this doesn't prevent installs on affected machines and thus is rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. 17:31:24 * tflink skips 875278 since it's NTH and already VERIFIED 17:31:31 #topic (878967) Installation fails when selecting german language 17:31:31 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878967 17:31:31 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 17:31:47 * kparal is just testing that 17:32:00 this sounds kind of blockery to me 17:32:08 yes 17:32:19 but does it happen only with updates-testing? need to check 17:32:37 * adamw is testing it 17:32:48 * kparal is doing DVD installaiton 17:32:59 yeah, i just hit the error 17:33:16 adamw: netinst? 17:33:23 I can install man-pages-de in a F18 system 17:33:38 kparal: yeah 17:33:43 but that's an upgraded F17 install I had handy 17:33:49 adamw: do you see the same yum error? 17:33:58 yes, and i have the backing error 17:33:59 just a sec 17:34:07 +1 here but tmrw is go/no-go 17:34:09 http://fpaste.org/UE5w 17:34:28 final line: "error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/man/de/man2/_exit.2.gz;50ad0e03: cpio: open failed - Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" 17:34:32 well the last version of man-pages-de is from july 19 17:34:38 :( 17:34:46 * nirik wonders if they did a dir to symlink change there. 17:34:52 what does that error message say? 17:34:57 so, this sounds odd. 17:35:00 "File or directory not found" 17:35:07 google says 17:35:11 I suppose google translate could have helped there 17:35:13 tflink: it means "no such file or directory" 17:35:19 ^^ 17:35:44 I wonder if this is just for german or if other lanugages are affected 17:36:10 I'm probably +1 blocker, though 17:36:15 why it happens in anaconda but not on installed f18 system? 17:36:49 jreznik_: missing dep? 17:36:50 I wonder if the yum errors that drago01 saw are related 17:36:54 http://94.247.144.115/anaconda.png 17:37:32 to my somewhat-uneducated eyes, that sounds like something went wrong in install prep but didn't manifest until the package was installed 17:37:58 assuming that they're related, anyways 17:38:14 the yum2 subdir doesn't appear to exist 17:38:20 just added a comment with some data to the bug 17:38:31 adamw: yum2? you mean man2 right? 17:38:36 yeah, man2, sorry. 17:38:46 there's man1, man3, man5 and man8, but no man2. 17:38:55 rpm -qf /usr/share/man/de/man2 17:38:55 man-pages-de-0.5-6.fc17.noarch 17:38:55 filesystem-3-2.fc17.x86_64 17:39:00 f17 though 17:39:15 I don't see the error when installing from DVD 17:39:16 yeah, and repoquery claims that man-pages-de owns it 17:39:44 'yum install man-pages-de' on this f18 system works fine 17:40:08 yep, it works fine on f18 system 17:41:25 adamw: how do you install, see kparal does not hit it from DVD - netinstall? 17:41:47 jreznik_: yes he already said netinstall (I did a netinstall too) 17:41:51 the sha256sum of the copy of man-pages-de in the yum cache matches the sha256sum of a copy manually downloaded from a mirror 17:41:53 jreznik_: yes, netinst 17:42:08 anyone else want to check? i have sha256sum 3028e760f5bd544b7ae5d27e7dd0637deb82760f2703e30da2ee6de6dd36d1ee 17:42:09 possibly related: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569392 17:43:15 Ticket notification - f18finalnicetohave: [Bug 878985] MATE entry on RC1 i386 DVD install results in an incomplete mate-desktop (openbox login only) please remove mate from DVD left list 17:43:25 adamw: downloaded from koji ff0be786942cf045a8c8fd340f98c06a1a4eef5c717682e0e4bc2901562b5d2d 17:43:34 huh. 17:43:38 wonder if some mirror copies are bad. 17:44:00 I'll checksum the file on DVD 17:44:17 adamw: i386, right? 17:44:18 adamw: odd that filesystem package shows as not signed in your output too... 17:44:20 I did i386 17:44:30 no. x86-64 :) 17:44:41 why the hell do you use i386? 17:44:43 adamw: the report says i386 17:44:44 kparal: it's noarch 17:44:49 jreznik_: ah 17:44:51 oh, yeah, package is noarch so shouldn't matter. 17:44:53 ah, i missed that 17:45:17 3028e760f5bd544b7ae5d27e7dd0637deb82760f2703e30da2ee6de6dd36d1ee man-pages-de-0.5-7.fc18.noarch.rpm 17:45:37 jreznik_: something's wrong with your checksum 17:45:55 adamw: I wanted to install a vm to do some sysprof runs (with does not really work well on x86_64) so I deciced to just use f18 beta rc for that .... -> boom 17:46:05 i match jreznik's result downloading from koji 17:46:11 oh, signature? 17:46:17 yep, signature 17:46:18 koji packages are unsigned 17:46:20 right. 17:46:31 sorry for confusion... 17:48:18 so, let's see...we have the same copy of the package in failed (netinst) and working (dvd) cases 17:48:22 somebody trying a different language? 17:48:39 well a different language won't have this directory... 17:48:55 oh I see 17:49:04 yep, seems to be related to this package only 17:49:05 it seems that on DVD man-pages-de wasn't installed at all 17:49:13 it's not in the packaging.log 17:49:15 ah. hm 17:49:29 seems like a bug in itself 17:49:37 rebooting to check 17:50:26 confirmed, not installed 17:50:38 that's why it haven't crashed 17:51:09 add that to the bug? 17:51:18 will do 17:52:07 ok so that's the difference between dvd and netinst, but why it works on f18 and not during installation? 17:52:19 not sure 17:53:09 * drago01 has no idea either 17:54:03 so...let's see. this is kinda nasty, though there is a workaround - 'use the dvd or live'. 17:54:12 i'm not sure we're gonna get any idea what causes it. 17:54:20 do we want to make a call or delay for data? 17:54:25 * tflink is trying a netinstall w/ japanese 17:54:31 %{_mandir}/de/* 17:54:33 i guess it would be really useful to know if we can fix it via repos or if we need new images 17:54:52 drago01: is this new, btw? did you try it with previous builds? 17:54:52 adamw: the dvd workaround is bug itself but yeah, for rc1 it's workaround... 17:54:54 yeah, if this is only netinstall it could be fixed w/ update 17:55:03 tflink: for sure? what if it's something weird in yum on the dvd? 17:55:17 you're assuming the bug is in something that gets pulled from repos during install, but i'm not sure we know that yet. 17:55:24 adamw: I have not done any installs for a while so can't really say 17:55:24 adamw: then it wouldn't be only on the netinstall 17:55:35 there was an _if_ in there 17:55:36 adamw: my "current vm" is a f17 + fedup upgrade 17:56:57 thoughts on punting for data vs. accepting? 17:57:29 tflink: oh sorry, misparsed 17:57:31 adamw: if there is something wrong with youm then the error wont be language specific 17:57:37 it's likely it will hit some other languages as well 17:57:55 unless the problem is unique to the man-de 17:57:58 * drago01 tries french 17:58:10 but the whole not-on-dvd part concerns me a bit 17:59:20 I think we can release Beta with just a german glitch, documented. I'd say punt and test at least several other common languages 17:59:34 if it happens more often -> blocker 17:59:49 it'd be nice to figure out why man isn't being installed from DVD, though 17:59:58 and we can discuss it again tomorrow 17:59:58 I wonder if other languages do the same 18:00:16 Ticket notification - f18betanicetohave: [Bug 878959] firewall-config can't set permanent rule 18:00:22 kparal: well, seems reasonable and we should take a look on that missing man pages translations... 18:00:51 proposed #agreed 878967 - This could be a blocker but it needs more triage to figure out exactly what's going on and if other languages are affected. Will re-visit once more information is available. 18:00:52 gotta pop downstairs brb 18:00:54 ack 18:00:57 jreznik: we should, but I don't think that's Beta material 18:00:59 ack 18:01:04 tflink: wait 18:01:14 tflink: let me finish the french test first 18:01:48 well i dont think the error is language specific 18:02:06 akshayvyas: true but the cause might be specific to the man-de package 18:02:27 of this specific error, anyways 18:02:29 lets see what drago01 test says 18:03:04 I'd rather wait until we also have more info about why the DVD isn't installing man but either way 18:03:34 tflink: man-pages are installed, just man-pages-de aren't 18:03:52 kparal: but it should be part of custom lang install 18:04:19 I guess. but I don't see it as that big problem. desktop translations are more important 18:04:34 no crash so far (still running) but no man-pages-fr so far 18:05:33 kparal: yeah the problem is that the installtion does not work when selecting a not so uncommon language ... 18:05:41 drago01: it's installed almost at the end, according to adamw's output 18:05:49 kparal: well, I'm with you - missing translated man-pages is probably not beta blocker 18:05:52 it might also be nice to test this on tc9. or tc4. 18:06:17 drago01: yep, so DVD is ok, we need workaround for netinst :) 18:06:35 adamw: which part? not sure if it would make much of a difference for netinstall since it pulls from the current stable + updates-testing 18:06:43 kparal: that's odd ...https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=649304 this wasn't at the end at all 18:06:48 sure. it would be good to test that assumption. :) 18:06:56 I'd be interested in seeing if this happens with netinstall w/o updates-testing 18:06:56 and it might go some way to determining where the problem is. 18:07:34 could you retry it? 18:07:43 (w/o updates-testing) 18:07:55 the package has not changed for a long time though 18:08:02 did rpm change in the meantime? 18:08:12 right, that's what interests me. 18:08:23 and why I want to test with something old. to see if this has been broken forever and we just didn't notice. 18:08:34 drago01: rpm changed, it's more strict in F18 18:09:30 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864622 seems to be a change related to man pages 18:09:35 * tflink tries with TC7 netinstall x86_64 18:10:46 i'm trying tc6. 18:11:05 it's a good thing I've done a few installs. I can't read german at all :) 18:12:03 tflink: I'm unable to delete partitions at all in german... 18:12:20 jreznik: huh? 18:12:35 jreznik: because it doesn't work or because you also can't read german? 18:12:47 tflink: can't read :) 18:13:00 sorry for heart attacks :) 18:13:13 "delete" is the bottom entry 18:13:23 jreznik: get remote support from drago01 :) 18:13:57 i did it with a german minimal dvd install 18:14:01 it seems odd that the installation pane isn't localized? have the strings been changing too quickly? 18:14:06 french works 18:14:08 or is it not localized yet? 18:14:26 translations seem to be incomplete 18:14:47 tflink: there's a bug report about it 18:14:49 the fonts change but everything is in english for both japanese and german 18:15:09 some strings are not i18n'd 18:15:29 *internationalized 18:15:48 tflink: translation was much worse in tc7 than it is in rc1. 18:16:00 something got fixed in between. 18:16:25 translations are now more final issue, let's concentrate back on this german bomb 18:16:41 now that you mention it, I remember a bunch of talk about dealing with transifex and i18n a week or so back 18:17:04 jreznik: I think we're just waiting for installs to finish ATM 18:17:17 346/1175 18:18:00 323/1175 on the german TC7, post-install on the japanese install 18:18:52 well if you're at post-install, you didn't hit the bug 18:18:58 did you spot if man-pages-ja got installed? 18:19:06 * tflink checks 18:19:09 I think we should continue with the meeting and return to this one later. after an hour, or tomorrow. in the meantime we can test 18:19:37 kparal: +1 18:19:42 afaics man-pages-ja doesn't own any directories 18:19:45 yes, it was install 18:19:47 installed 18:19:52 this may be related to man-pages-de's bogus ownership of directories, as someone linked 18:19:59 RC1 x86_64 netinstall, Gnome, japanese language 18:20:18 we can also check which man pages own directories first 18:20:55 adamw: is there a way to test with a fixed pages? 18:20:59 *package? 18:20:59 #info may be related to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569392 18:21:08 adamw: i.e new man-pages-de build? 18:21:27 doing that with a netinstall is a bit harder 18:21:49 could just push one to updates-testing :) 18:22:12 that would probably be just as easy 18:22:28 as long as we get an u-t push and the main repo is selected instead of a mirror 18:22:57 or, hum 18:23:04 we could probably loop mount a DVD and use it as a network repo... 18:23:26 I could set up a repo, too 18:23:40 but that's going to be stateside, I don't have access to anything in europe 18:23:42 * drago01 submits a build 18:24:00 my tc6 is at 943 18:24:07 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4713781 18:24:41 adamw: I wonder if just building a smoke test-ish DVD and publishing the exploded repo would be the best choice for balancing effectiveness/ease 18:24:56 it wouldn't take much longer on my end for the build 18:25:22 assuming that man-de is on the DVD 18:26:26 drago01: btw. rawhide too pls 18:26:51 jreznik: rawhide should inherit that if there is no f19 build yet 18:27:06 can someone check to make sure that man-pages-de is on the DVD? 18:27:15 * tflink gets set up for a build 18:27:18 tflink: sure, sec 18:27:20 tflink: it is 18:27:28 kparal: thanks 18:27:33 drago01: it should be banned and we're working on policy to forbid it :) 18:27:35 at least i386 18:27:43 huh, tc6 install succeeded 18:27:47 jreznik: and there are non so this should be in the next rawhide push as well 18:27:48 so something somewhere changed 18:28:05 jreznik: hire some bodyguards before doing that ;) 18:28:06 yes, man-pages-de is on the RC1 DVD 18:28:52 do we want to move on or keep working on this? 18:29:11 it looks like most of the accepted blockers are somewhat OK right now 18:29:21 * tflink has some testing to do and request for fedup, though 18:30:01 well, if anyone can take a look on this one, I'm ok with moving on - at least we know it worked in tc6 - rpm? yum? 18:30:30 let's blow through any other business 18:30:35 huh, tc7 x64 netinstall seems ok too 18:31:15 proposed #agreed 878967 - This could be a blocker but it needs more triage to figure out exactly what's going on and if other languages are affected. Will re-visit once more information is available. 18:31:44 ack 18:31:53 ack 18:31:57 ack 18:32:15 #agreed 878967 - This could be a blocker but it needs more triage to figure out exactly what's going on and if other languages are affected. Will re-visit once more information is available. 18:32:39 it seems that no other man-pages own directories 18:32:58 OK, that's all of the proposed blockers 18:33:23 kparal: that would tie in 18:33:29 i'll ask yum folks 18:33:47 on to the proposed NTH 18:33:58 #topic (877871) KeyError: None 18:33:58 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877871 18:33:58 #info Proposed NTH, anaconda, ASSIGNED 18:35:15 still -1. 18:35:33 -1 NTH 18:37:09 proposed #agreed 877871 - RejectedNTH - This seems like a rather non-standard use case and avoidable enough to not take a fix past freeze. 18:37:14 I have problems to say 'no' 18:37:21 but I assume it can break a lot of other stuff 18:37:28 so ack 18:37:42 well we don't have specific info that it breaks anything else, it's just normal precaution at this point 18:37:51 since we're trying to get something releasable like *now*, we should be strict on nth 18:37:57 ack 18:37:58 the fix can break other stuff, I mean 18:38:03 that's what i meant 18:38:14 yeah, I'm not saying it's not a bug, just that the benefit doesn't seem to outweigh the risk of taking a fix past freeze 18:38:19 it's not like we have specific info that it might, it's just the general principle that poking partition stuff at this point is a bad idea 18:38:31 #agreed 877871 - RejectedNTH - This seems like a rather non-standard use case and avoidable enough to not take a fix past freeze. 18:38:37 it's good that crash in partitioning no longer affects user data 18:38:40 #topic (878959) firewall-config can't set permanent rule 18:38:40 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=878959 18:38:41 #info Proposed NTH, firewalld, MODIFIED 18:39:43 -1 NTH. could be fixed with an update 18:39:50 could/should 18:39:53 -1 nth 18:40:02 -1 18:40:37 ack 18:40:38 -1 18:40:41 monkeys 18:40:57 proposed #agreed 878959 - RejectedNTH - This could be fixed with an update and thus, does not need to be pulled in past freeze and does not qualify for NTH status/ 18:41:00 proposed #agreed 878959 - RejectedNTH - This could be fixed with an update and thus, does not need to be pulled in past freeze and does not qualify for NTH status. 18:41:23 ack 18:42:00 other ack/nak/patch? 18:42:14 ack 18:42:24 I suppose that ack/patch would be better 18:42:45 since I pretty much ignore naks w/o patches :) 18:43:08 eh, good enough 18:43:09 ack 18:43:15 #agreed 878959 - RejectedNTH - This could be fixed with an update and thus, does not need to be pulled in past freeze and does not qualify for NTH status. 18:43:22 OK, that is all of the proposed NTH that I see 18:43:33 on to the accepted blockers 18:43:44 er, non-VERIFIED accepted blockers :) 18:43:50 #topic (868755) rsync error handling - UEFI and live installs without enough space 18:43:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868755 18:43:56 #info Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED 18:44:09 i should be able to test this later if no-one else can. 18:44:17 it's already been tested 18:44:29 someone forgot to change the status 18:44:38 mkrizek tested it 18:44:42 #info this has been tested with RC1 and appears to have been fixed 18:44:48 #info move to VERIFIED 18:45:02 moved 18:45:10 #topic (872047) fedup-dracut builds do not exist in F18 18:45:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872047 18:45:10 #info Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ON_QA 18:45:24 #info builds exist in updates-testing and were pulled into RC1 18:45:32 #info builds need testing and karma 18:45:56 I'll send out testing requests later today since fedup seems to be good enough to request wider testing 18:46:13 maybe the test case should be created, so that we have it in the matrix? 18:46:20 yeah, in the process of that as well 18:46:20 sounds good 18:46:36 since I'm not sure if fedup works on UEFI yet 18:46:52 I think it was tested but I remember reading varied results and I'm not 100% everything was fixed 18:47:10 #topic (873459) Upgraded system does not reboot if a kernel upgrade is part of the upgrade 18:47:12 i'm not hugely worried about that case. UEFI in practice is still pretty corner-case-y. we should make sure it works for final, but beta, eh. 18:47:13 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873459 18:47:16 #info Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, ON_QA 18:47:33 I've done some testing of this and it appears to have been fixed with the most recent fedup-dracut and systemd 18:47:48 I'd rather hold off on moving it to verified until a bit more testing is done, though 18:48:08 as far as I can see thus far, it's been fixed though 18:48:19 ok 18:48:30 #info this appears to have been fixed from limited testing 18:48:45 #info it will be moved to VERIFIED if more detailed/varied testing holds up 18:48:57 #topic (876366) New kernel copies its args from the Upgrade System entry 18:48:57 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876366 18:48:57 #info Accepted Blocker, fedup-dracut, MODIFIED 18:49:02 bah, this should be ON_QA 18:49:34 again, this appears to have been fixed from my testing 18:49:45 #info this appears to have been fixed in limited testing 18:49:57 #info will move to VERIFIED after a more detailed verification 18:50:10 sounds good. 18:50:25 #topic (876655) Lorax does not support building initramfs for fedup 18:50:25 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876655 18:50:25 #info Accepted Blocker, lorax, MODIFIED 18:50:35 again, this should be ON_QA and I just changed it 18:50:55 #info RC1 does include upgrade.img built by lorax 18:51:13 I'm trying to remember if I did an upgrade from the RC1 repo 18:51:16 * tflink checks 18:51:27 yes, I did 18:51:43 #info this has been fixed, moving to VERIFIED 18:52:38 * kparal notes man-pages-it installs OK 18:53:03 OK, I think that's all of the accepted blockers 18:53:06 did I miss anything? 18:53:13 looks good to me 18:53:52 #topic Open Floor 18:54:00 Any other topics that need to be brought up? 18:54:03 I have an item... 18:54:07 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/975 18:54:18 ie, fesco needs to decide if SB is a blocker or not. 18:54:50 #info fesco has not yet decided whether secureboot functionality is a blocker for F18 beta 18:55:00 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/975 18:55:05 just FYI if anyone wishes to weigh in 18:55:22 yeah, that'll involve at least a week slip 18:55:29 assuming we can find HW to test with 18:55:46 or at least a few days if we allow the 'release on tue/wed/thur' thing 18:55:52 * kparal notes we still don't have any SB machine in Brno 18:56:14 I need to reply to that thread 18:56:25 * tflink is strongly against the idea of only slipping a few days 18:56:51 the added overhead of meetings, status reports and general panic doesn't help anything IMHO 18:57:17 anything else? 18:57:56 * tflink assumes that silence == nothing else 18:58:02 oh... 18:58:13 nothing else, except keep working on the man-pages-de bug. 18:58:14 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/974 also needs input. ;) 18:58:24 tflink: it may help if you could build a DVD image with dracut's 'fixed' man-pages-de build 18:58:26 it's a request to consider releases on tue/wed/thu 18:58:32 i ought to then be able to use that as a repo for a netinstall 18:58:32 so we could have <1 week slips. 18:58:37 adamw: dracut's build? 18:58:44 tflink: drago1's 18:58:45 sigh 18:58:52 adamw: build is running as we speak 18:59:02 cool 18:59:14 * tflink is planning to push the full pungi output for netinstall testing 18:59:40 #info fesco is also deciding whether to loosen the "1 week slips only" policy 18:59:51 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/974 19:00:18 #info input to the decision process would (probably) be appreciated by fesco 19:00:55 #info The next blocker review meeting (if needed, pending go/no-go decision) will be on 2012-11-28 @ 17:00 UTC 19:01:03 if there's nothing else ... 19:01:18 * tflink sets fuse for some period of time (might be negative) 19:01:38 * tflink will send out minutes shortly 19:01:43 Thanks for coming, everyone! 19:01:47 #endmeeting