12:03:03 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting fedora-tour meeting Feb 19 2012
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12:03:38 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call, pinging
12:03:49 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
12:03:50 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
12:03:54 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: here?
12:04:10 <praveenkumar> yes
12:04:22 <praveenkumar> .fas praveenkumar
12:04:23 <zodbot> praveenkumar: saipraveenkumarprem 'saipraveenkumarkatteboina' <saipraveenkumarprem@yahoo.com> - praveenkumarjayaram 'Praveen Kumar Jayaram' <Praveen.Kumar.Jayaram@gmail.com> - praveen5557 'praveenkumar' <praveenkumar5557@gmail.com> - praveen 'Praveenkumar Baithi' <bpraveenky@gmail.com> - mittal 'PRAVEEN KUMAR MITTAL' <praveenkumarmittal28@gmail.com> - praveendwivedi 'praveen kumar dwivedi' (1 more message)
12:04:50 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: well done :P
12:05:11 <FranciscoD> .fas kishan
12:05:12 <zodbot> FranciscoD: kishanpant 'Kishan Datt Pant' <kishanpant@gmail.com> - harikishan 'harikishan mitharwal' <harikishan.mitharwal@yahoo.com> - lakkoju 'Harikishan' <hari.lakkoju@gmail.com> - kishan 'Kishan Goyal' <fabhoneydew@gmail.com>
12:05:17 <FranciscoD> Subfusc: where are you?
12:05:22 * FranciscoD shakes head
12:05:26 <FranciscoD> anyway, lets continue
12:05:31 <FranciscoD> the agenda is in the topic
12:05:47 <FranciscoD> http://ur1.ca/88x5c
12:05:55 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: http://ur1.ca/88x5c
12:06:28 <praveenkumar> fot it in the mail
12:06:33 <FranciscoD> yeah
12:06:34 <praveenkumar> s/fot/got
12:06:41 <FranciscoD> Subfusc doesnt appear to be around
12:07:28 <FranciscoD> #topic Decide on a toolkit for the project.
12:07:37 <FranciscoD> I think Subfusc's batch approach is okay
12:07:39 <FranciscoD> what say?
12:07:59 <praveenkumar> yes batch approach looks good
12:07:59 <kishan> yes, that seems to be the most feasible option
12:08:06 <FranciscoD> Initially, Subfusc can take care of the lisp part while we concentrate on themes and source
12:08:16 <FranciscoD> and as we learn more lisp, we can all work on all parts
12:08:19 <FranciscoD> great
12:08:26 <kishan> the final outcome is HTML.. so it won't be *DE centric..
12:08:33 <FranciscoD> yeah, thats the good part
12:08:43 <FranciscoD> #agreed Use Subfusc's batch approach for tool
12:08:44 <kishan> yes, the best in fact :D
12:09:04 <FranciscoD> we will have to discuss more of this on the list where Subfusc and underscores can talk too
12:09:15 <praveenkumar> right
12:09:36 <kishan> okay.
12:10:12 <FranciscoD> next
12:10:16 <FranciscoD> #topic Decide git directory structure
12:10:40 <FranciscoD> here's what I had in mind:
12:11:09 <FranciscoD> 1. fedorahosted holds everything
12:11:18 <FranciscoD> html + lisp + theme etc sources
12:11:33 <FranciscoD> but I want separate repositories for the parts
12:11:53 <FranciscoD> it'll be easier to work that way IMO
12:11:56 <FranciscoD> what say?
12:12:31 <praveenkumar> you mean fedora-tour-html, lisp , theme like that ?
12:12:39 <FranciscoD> yeah
12:12:53 <FranciscoD> so we can track each component separately
12:13:00 <FranciscoD> and combine them all to form the main repo
12:13:38 <praveenkumar> hmm we can make different branch for each and merge them to main, sounds good ..
12:14:06 <kishan> ya.. looks good
12:14:21 <FranciscoD> branching isnt quite the same thing
12:14:31 <kishan> having a single thing wont be that big a trouble too though
12:14:53 <FranciscoD> hrm
12:15:02 <FranciscoD> as long as all commits are made after review
12:15:07 <praveenkumar> yeah, I understand .. that's a different thing ..
12:15:14 <FranciscoD> last time, I was the "git master"
12:15:40 <FranciscoD> so, all contributions would be sent to me, and I'd merge them into master, correct conflicts etc, and then commit to remote
12:15:44 <FranciscoD> does that sound okay?
12:16:11 <kishan> I think we should have Subfusc and underscore's opinion on this one. I'm okay with keeping them separate though.
12:16:13 <FranciscoD> its also how the kernel etc repos are maintained iirc
12:16:25 <praveenkumar> yeah right ..
12:17:56 <FranciscoD> okay
12:17:56 <FranciscoD> moving on
12:18:14 <FranciscoD> #topic Decide agenda for next meeting (in two weeks) March 5 2012 1200 UTC
12:18:31 <FranciscoD> we need to begin the actual coding part
12:18:44 <FranciscoD> I wanted each of us to take a week or two and come up with some mock ups
12:19:28 <kishan> FranciscoD:  html mock ups?
12:19:33 <FranciscoD> kishan: just images
12:19:37 <praveenkumar> ok, coding means making those data (html + css) or something else
12:19:40 <FranciscoD> like the design team makes for anaconda?
12:19:46 <praveenkumar> oh ok
12:19:57 <FranciscoD> coding means all of it, css + html + lisp etc
12:20:12 <FranciscoD> i dont want to jump into implementation without a design in mind
12:20:32 <praveenkumar> hmm correct
12:20:34 <kishan> should decide the overall flow.
12:20:51 <kishan> before actually beginning to code.
12:20:53 <FranciscoD> lots of things need to be decided actually
12:20:56 <FranciscoD> the UI
12:21:07 <FranciscoD> the workflow, how are pages ordered, how are they linked
12:21:10 <FranciscoD> etc
12:21:41 <praveenkumar> can we take some UI from previous fedora-tour?
12:21:41 <FranciscoD> what parts can be interactive needs to be looked into too
12:21:52 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: we only made the splash
12:22:00 <FranciscoD> which can be duplicated easily,
12:22:04 <praveenkumar> oh
12:22:09 <FranciscoD> nothing else was done
12:23:03 <kishan> okay, that means a *lot* is there to be done. :D
12:23:46 <FranciscoD> well, we are restarting from scratch
12:24:27 <kishan> I had assumed we'd be reusing some of the old stuff :)
12:24:32 <FranciscoD> no
12:24:35 <FranciscoD> not at all
12:24:45 <FranciscoD> it was pyclutter, how can it be reused in html? :)
12:25:11 <kishan> I mean the flow, the content, etc. not the code :)
12:25:23 <FranciscoD> no, we cant do that either
12:25:41 <FranciscoD> rather, I dont think we want to
12:25:47 <FranciscoD> why not do it all afresh?
12:25:54 <kishan> hmm, fair enough :)
12:25:58 <FranciscoD> we have a bigger team now
12:26:05 <FranciscoD> back then it was only Subfusc and me :)
12:26:13 <FranciscoD> so
12:26:17 <FranciscoD> agreed then?
12:26:23 <FranciscoD> next meeting we need to all have mock ups
12:26:28 <FranciscoD> ?
12:26:31 <praveenkumar> yes
12:26:34 <kishan> yes
12:27:20 <FranciscoD> #agreed: Next meeting to be used for discussing ui mock ups and application design
12:27:30 <FranciscoD> for UI mockups, here's a good link : http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/inkscape-class-day-1/
12:27:57 <FranciscoD> for the application design, we could use stuff like flow charts, etc
12:28:22 <FranciscoD> kishan: praveenkumar : the application design, and UI design will be pretty different in our case
12:28:24 <praveenkumar> ok
12:28:24 <kishan> hmm
12:28:54 <FranciscoD> since we have a lisp back end that stays very separate from the final UI the user sees..
12:29:14 <FranciscoD> this is going to take work :)
12:29:30 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
12:29:40 <FranciscoD> okay, any other issues?
12:30:04 <kishan> the UI would be html + css mostly
12:30:07 <FranciscoD> yes
12:30:16 <FranciscoD> hopefully, only html and css
12:30:33 <kishan> hmm ya :)
12:31:07 <FranciscoD> you folks can subscribe to the milestone calendar btw
12:31:09 <praveenkumar> FranciscoD: why final UI is different with what user sees, I think lisp is only for merging those files ?
12:31:31 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: final UI and what user sees is the same thing
12:31:36 <FranciscoD> lisp stays separate
12:31:45 <FranciscoD> (the back end)
12:31:59 <FranciscoD> the application design will handle the front and back ends
12:32:11 <praveenkumar> hmm
12:32:15 <FranciscoD> while the UI design will only handle what the final html stuff looks like
12:32:30 <FranciscoD> you folks can subscribe to the milestone calendar btw, I'll put up all the agendas etc there
12:32:39 <FranciscoD> if you use evo/thunderbird/google calendar
12:32:41 <praveenkumar> sure
12:33:05 <kishan> damn :/
12:33:08 <FranciscoD> kishanok: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour/roadmap
12:33:17 <FranciscoD> the link is on the end of the page
12:33:29 <kishan> yes, will do :)
12:33:56 <FranciscoD> thats all then
12:34:05 <FranciscoD> if theres nothing more to discuss, we can end the meeting
12:34:19 <kishan> yes
12:34:39 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting