19:49:56 #startmeeting 19:49:56 well we can try it, then how about we shedule a meeting properly give people notice so they can come a long, i wouldn't mind having a monthly meeting :D 19:49:57 Meeting started Thu Feb 25 19:49:56 2010 UTC. The chair is ascenseur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:49:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:50:11 #topic UK EventBox Meeting Test 19:50:15 hello 19:50:20 hi 19:50:33 hey bruce89 - we're just testing the MeetBot for the UK Event Box 19:50:37 do feel free to chip in :) 19:50:39 so I see 19:50:57 hence my saying hello to the insomniacs who read logs 19:51:08 what have we got so far ascenseur perhaps you can fill people in? 19:51:10 Ok, so we are thinking about creating a UK EventBox as MooDoo knows 19:51:17 Ok, let me put up the link 19:51:39 #link https://fedoraproject.org/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox 19:51:54 First off, the USB keys 19:52:10 #idea USB Keys 19:52:16 that the right link ascenseur ? 19:52:37 argh! thanks for that moodoo :) 19:52:43 new link 19:53:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox 19:53:14 ok, back to the USB keys 19:53:45 I have spoken to Lousie at PrimoIT, and they have the best quality and value USB keys - They sent me a sample and it has survived quite well in my "school testing" 19:54:08 ! 19:54:25 Go ahead MooDoo :) 19:55:08 i notice from the wiki page you're on about selling them, shouldn't they be giveaway? i know the initial cost, so it might pay to find out the process of claiming back from emea funding? 19:55:43 That is a good point 19:55:58 i think what we've got to aim for is everything is giveaway... 19:56:16 #action USB keys - find out about funding from EMEA 19:56:30 the link from PrimoIT is: 19:56:39 speak to inode0 or someone like that 19:56:39 #link http://www.usbownlogo.co.uk 19:56:54 #action speak to inode0 about funding 19:57:23 another action is licensing for logos on items etc 19:57:33 sorry i'm sounding like a pain :D 19:57:44 MooDoo: I shall have to speak to the logo dept. about that 19:58:00 #action speak to logo dept. about licensing for items etc. 19:58:17 Is it ok to move on MooDoo? 19:58:30 ascenseur: yes sorry about that, you're chair :D 19:58:48 thats fine - You're much more experienced than me - this is my first meeting! 19:58:52 anyway, moving on 19:59:11 #topic shipping case 19:59:31 We need something to carry all this stuff around in - I was looking at this from maplin 19:59:44 #link http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=228650 20:01:06 we also need to secure it - padlock seems an idea 20:01:30 ! 20:01:36 Go Ahead MooDoo :) 20:02:08 i was only thinking about something like this - http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Plastic-Storage/Storage-Box-And-Lid-Clear-80ltr/invt/0239167?htxt=Vc02TdoxD4%2BtpwsWlztIXP6Ua143hY1l%2BFLPXLE3H%2BC0%2FJr0dBa86IHIZ2Uj6ZBJHWJ%2FI%2BnUP4ff%0AIrdbXBjF2A%3D%3D does it really need to be lockable? 20:02:49 #link http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Plastic-Storage/Storage-Box-And-Lid-Clear-80ltr/invt/0239167?htxt=Vc02TdoxD4%2BtpwsWlztIXP6Ua143hY1l%2BFLPXLE3H%2BC0%2FJr0dBa86IHIZ2Uj6ZBJHWJ%2FI%2BnUP4ff%0AIrdbXBjF2A%3D%3D 20:03:01 that does seem a good idea - it doesnt need to be lockable, it was just a thought 20:03:14 #action investigate about wilko box 20:03:29 and it is massive 20:03:36 thanks for that MooDoo :) 20:03:41 i'm thinking that box as it's cheaper and to be honest at events will be monitored at all times? 20:04:00 definatley - and its great value-for-money 20:04:14 #idea suggest the wilko box to other ambassadors to see their thoughts 20:04:42 Is there anything else you want to say about this topic MooDoo? 20:05:09 you guys still babbling on ? 20:05:22 sure am LinuxCode :) 20:05:23 is there no peace and quiet ? 20:05:26 haha 20:05:26 LinuxCode: we're in a meeting about a possible uk event box :D 20:05:40 ahh well, I will try and keep a uqarter eye on here then 20:05:46 thanks LinuxCode 20:05:56 hey Southern_Gentlem - welcome to the meeting 20:06:02 what box do you have in mind 20:06:03 no it's ok, we're just testing the meetbot and just having a general chin wag! 20:06:21 Southern_Gentlem: just a plasting one to be honest but as ever welcome to suggestions 20:06:27 plastic 20:06:37 we've never done this before :D 20:06:39 like a pelican?? 20:06:55 Southern_Gentlem: more like a childrens toy container, but 80lts of it 20:07:05 http://bit.ly/bEuxhU 20:07:18 something like that 20:07:29 yup MooDoo :) 20:07:45 Is everyone ok with moving on? 20:07:55 ok but i think you will quickly outgrow that 20:08:05 i can hope 20:08:12 Southern_Gentlem: we did mark it open to suggestions :) 20:08:25 me to but we're just starting out and as there is no events in the uk at the moment, it's a good small start 20:08:56 Southern_Gentlem: how does yours work with regards shipping it around the us? 20:08:58 definatley MooDoo 20:09:04 MooDoo, that box is way too small 20:09:12 MooDoo - can I keep that as another topic? thanks :) 20:09:20 MooDoo, its shipping approved 20:09:20 sorry ascenseur :) 20:09:22 think of switches, power extension cables 20:09:30 http://www.pelican-case.com/1610.html?gclid=CKbLo8SljqACFQk65QodZ270eg 20:09:34 LinuxCode - that is already thought of - another topic 20:09:37 media alone would fill that box 20:09:45 thats the one we have and it is actually too small 20:09:50 wow 20:10:03 ascenseur: looks like we're thinking way to small here :D 20:10:11 that is remarkably small that pelican one 20:10:14 event box and media should be considered different items 20:10:17 Southern_Gentlem, yeh looks a tad tiny 20:10:23 #action work out the size needed for the box 20:10:31 its bigger than that pic looks 20:10:36 the amount of stuff Joerg drives around is nuts 20:10:49 Moving On! 20:10:54 hehe glad i've a people carrier then :) 20:10:54 without foam 20:11:00 ok ascenseur :) 20:11:08 Unless you guessed, im working down the list on my wiki page :) 20:11:11 ok, next topic 20:11:20 #topic Netbook/Laptop/SFF PC 20:11:50 It seems essential to have a computer at these events - now, I may be able to supply an Aleutia T1 for this use 20:12:05 #link http://www.aleutia.com/products/t1 20:12:06 ascenseur, dell Uk lent us some 20:12:10 i've also got my laptop 20:12:14 3 20:12:19 dell laptops 20:12:24 LinuxCode: lent permanently or or loan? 20:12:25 I always dragged them home 20:12:28 loaned 20:12:39 Max sent them via Red Hat Germany back 20:12:48 as I was staying in Germany for another 3 weeks 20:12:49 yes, but if the T1 is permanently for the box, it makes it easier 20:12:54 or I would have taken them 20:13:01 and the t1 is smaller than a paperback 20:13:09 ascenseur, just saying 20:13:26 * ascenseur politely reminds LinuxCode to use to keep things organised :) 20:13:30 Dell was forthcoming before, so maybe they would be willing again 20:13:35 definatley recognised LinuxCode 20:13:41 #idea Dell UK loans? 20:14:29 MooDoo knows about the laptops my school may be selling 20:14:44 but, this now seems a bad idea, as they are bulky, old and fugly 20:14:58 as long as they run fedora they should be fine? 20:15:12 I will still investigate, as it could be a cheap laptop - an yes, they would run fedora fine MooDoo :) 20:15:21 #idea laptops from school - investiagte! 20:15:30 What spec are they? 20:15:50 DiscordianUK: erm, they are from ~2005, so not extravagant, but not awfule asier 20:15:52 Bear in mind that F13 will have higher requirements than F12 20:15:56 ! 20:15:57 s/easier/either 20:16:02 GA MooDoo :) 20:16:32 ascenseur: can i make a suggestion for you to contact max to see what he can or isable to provide to help us out? 20:16:43 thank you MooDoo :) 20:16:43 or put that as an action point? 20:16:52 ascenseur, max proable can get you an OLPC as well 20:17:07 #action investigate with max or isable about support/OLPC 20:17:34 Anyone else got any more comments on the laptop topic? 20:18:33 Ok, moving on! :D 20:18:43 * Southern_Gentlem highly suggest pelican 1610 box or a Pelican Protectorâ„¢ 1780 20:19:01 could speak to the sugar folks about OLPCs 20:19:14 there were 4 of them making the rounds 20:19:15 LinuxCode, max can proable get you a OLPC 20:19:17 couple of topics late Southern_Gentlem, but I shall add it :) 20:19:32 Southern_Gentlem, we already have a number in Europe 20:19:42 just have to ask hehe 20:19:53 #idea Pelican boxes 20:20:01 I think there ws one in the EU event box anyway 20:20:04 #idea talk to sugar folks about OLPC 20:20:12 ok then, next topic 20:20:17 #topic Swag 20:20:42 It seems essential to get fedora swag - the EMEA-Swag-Tracker is being used for this 20:20:51 however, as mentioned above, we need USB keys 20:21:16 or atleast a way for others to program their keys 20:21:24 yeh 20:21:32 would be better budget wise too 20:21:38 spend more dosh on other stuff 20:21:42 like media 20:21:46 we have foound in the US that usbkeys are way tooo expensive 20:21:47 * ascenseur politely asks LinuxCode and Southern_Gentlem to use when wanting to speak 20:21:47 stickers... 20:21:52 LinuxCode: we've got that covered with the usb booth station 20:22:09 yes, as MooDoo said, there is a USB booth being planned, but thats another topic 20:22:37 ok - I think MooDoo said that it would be better to give them away rather than sell them 20:22:46 Now, this would require funding 20:22:51 #idea funding for USB keys 20:23:09 the rest has been covered above about USB keys :) 20:23:27 More swag - t-shirts and stickers etc 20:23:46 I was going to enquire at the 2 local creative deisgn companies near me about printing them 20:24:04 however, the logo will need permission from the logo dept, but that is another topic :) 20:24:19 that was probably pointless to mention, so I'll move on unless anyone else has some ideas 20:25:07 ascenseur, sorry but you need to slow down and let people think and respond 20:25:17 we need an event first 20:25:19 ;-p 20:25:21 Southern_Gentlem: I am pausing :) 20:25:47 It was only this, as I have just found out that i covered all things in this topic without realising, so its useless 20:26:02 LinuxCode: there isn't any at the moment, the only one i'm attending in may is oggcamp but that's not really a foss event 20:26:30 tbh, we could relly do with a FAD 20:26:46 I mean Gerold means well, but that it is always in Rheinfelden, kinda sucks 20:27:00 LinuxCode: FAD/FUDcon ? 20:27:03 there shouldm be more country specific ones 20:27:05 FAD 20:27:12 Fedora Activity Day 20:27:19 FUDcon was in Berlin last year 20:27:29 LinuxCode: ah :) 20:27:36 ascenseur: fudcon = fedora users and developers conference 20:27:38 #idea what about a FAD for the UK? 20:27:55 MooDoo - yup :) i think the terms got inter-mingled earlier! 20:28:05 ascenseur: that opens a whole new can of worms, location etc just for a start :D 20:28:16 I should go begging at my local Unis 20:28:32 ascenseur, a UK fad just to organize the UK ambassador would be a good start 20:28:38 :D I can do it at my school LinuxCode :) 20:28:40 all of the halls of residence are empty during the summer 20:28:53 Southern_Gentlem: good idea 20:29:05 LinuxCode: my whole school is empty in Summer :P 20:29:17 ascenseur, Im thinking more of a FUDcon level atm 20:29:26 ie big :D 20:29:30 LinuxCode: i shall note that 20:29:31 200 people with accommodation 20:29:46 #idea FUDcon at a massive uni 20:29:59 I dont see why they would say no, as we had IPICS here year before last 20:30:08 thanks for that LinuxCode :) 20:30:10 well accomoations maybe lunch as an example 20:30:29 May be some expense, but it is definatley an idea :) 20:30:50 Southern_Gentlem, be nice if Red Hat would agree funding for travel, if accommodation was given 20:30:57 but would have to see 20:31:03 definatley :) 20:31:07 ok to move on? 20:31:12 is all UK ambassadors on the Ambassadors map 20:31:16 yep 20:31:19 Southern_Gentlem, no 20:31:21 I am not 20:31:28 Southern_Gentlem: should be, perhaps not me... 20:31:42 get everyone on the map as see if you can find a central point 20:31:46 Southern_Gentlem: i emailed them all that was on the list and got about 3 replys, might be a time for a cull :) 20:31:52 Southern_Gentlem, good point 20:32:04 MooDoo, I had a message from Robert 20:32:11 not from you 20:32:18 ok then, thanks everyone :) | next topic: USB Creator Stand 20:32:21 or did you email the Uk ambassadors ? 20:32:27 #topic USB Creator Stand 20:32:28 yes just the uk ones 20:32:30 k 20:32:36 that explains 20:33:07 Ok, so we decided to create a USB LIve Creator stand like they have for France/Belgium - Now, its pretty basic, but some things can be found here 20:33:17 ! 20:33:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ascenseur/UKEventBox/USBcreator 20:33:26 Go Ahead Southern_Gentlem :D 20:33:29 why 20:33:55 is this needed as one of the first things 20:33:57 Southern_Gentlem: it is because it provides an aesthetically pleasing interface to the public for fedora live usb's 20:34:15 that is suppose be you guys working the booth 20:34:30 also, the fact that it is near enough nil-cost for me to create - so if it draws people in because they are intrigued as to what it is, that is good 20:34:31 Southern_Gentlem: from what ascenseur is telling me it's easy to knock up straight away 20:34:44 ok 20:34:58 Southern_Gentlem: yes, MooDoo is correct - but this connects to a laptop via a USB cable so that it is just like a massive extension cable 20:35:19 it also allows you to position the stand near the edge of a table, so the public can plug the key in themselves 20:35:28 the commercial versions are a bit more complicated 20:35:39 but to do just a few its fine, I guess 20:35:52 LinuxCode: also, it can have additional USB receptacles added at any time 20:35:59 hmm 20:36:05 you tested this ? 20:36:13 here is a draft - http://ascenseur.fedorapeople.org/fedora_usb.odg 20:36:19 * LinuxCode looks 20:36:20 LinuxCode: how do you mean? 20:36:30 LinuxCode: i don't think it's built yes, just a concept 20:36:33 disregard the LED - IT is no longer needed 20:36:48 #action knock up another draft, this time a little better 20:36:54 well you cant just use a hub 20:37:05 to flash 5 sticks with the same image 20:37:16 LinuxCode: it is not a hub - it's a neutrik USB-W recpetacle 20:37:23 LinuxCode: just one stick at a time 20:37:26 google it :P 20:37:43 *is finding a link 20:37:55 ok, one ata time 20:37:57 fine 20:38:04 #link http://www.neutrik.com/uk/en/dataconnectors/210_t2_619292854/NAUSB-W_detail.aspx 20:38:17 ascenseur, found it thank you 20:38:44 LinuxCode - ah, ok :) just put up a link for everyone else :) 20:39:23 ok, this thing has gone on for quite a while, so lets wrap up with the last topic 20:40:00 #topic Sundries & Shipping the box 20:40:26 Ok, we will need a few sundries such as Data Cables, Notebooks, pens and extension leads 20:40:33 ! 20:40:42 Go Ahead MooDoo :) 20:41:45 i think all these can be sourced on the fly, no need to order anything i've got loads 20:41:55 thats fine - I was just outlining everything :) 20:42:14 We will need a Wired Router 20:42:21 now, I was looking at this one from amazon 20:42:33 #link http://www.amazon.co.uk/GetNet-GS-118P-100Mbps-Ethernet-Switch/dp/B002TA4AEQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1266961071&sr=1-1 20:43:00 please, do suggest as we go along now :) 20:43:53 and if we do ever need to ship it via UPS, we will include postage details (i.e. UPS barcode) on a laminated piece of card 20:44:02 ok, that seems to cover just about everything 20:44:06 any suggestions anyone? 20:44:17 i'll think about stuff as well 20:44:36 of course MooDoo :) We shall do another one of these another night 20:45:02 ok ascenseur end the meeting for now 20:45:06 ok then 20:45:09 thanks eeryone! :) 20:45:13 #endmeeting