16:04:53 <stoney> #startmeeting
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16:04:56 <stoney> she is
16:04:58 <heidie> But yes, we can let Stoney go.
16:05:00 <heidie> :-)
16:05:03 <heidie> #link foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
16:05:12 <stoney> irc://card.freenode.net/#link http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
16:05:13 <heidie> I've just provided the agenda for the meeting.
16:05:14 <stoney> :)
16:05:17 <stoney> sorry
16:05:21 <heidie> :-)
16:05:27 <stoney> #topic updates
16:05:37 <heidie> The first item on the agenda is updates.
16:05:56 <heidie> So would everyone like to provide a one-sentence update on how they are coming on the Stage 1 activities?
16:06:04 <stoney> please prefix with #info
16:06:05 <heidie> Please use the #info before your statement.
16:06:23 <EllenZ> A bit frustrated
16:06:34 <heidie> EllenZ: because?
16:06:36 <EllenZ> oops
16:06:47 <EllenZ> #info:a bit frustrated
16:07:00 <heidie> because?
16:07:06 <EllenZ> Spending WAY more time that was indicated...
16:07:16 <EllenZ> oops than
16:07:29 <heidie> Ah, that is good feedback.
16:07:31 <EllenZ> I spent 7 hours just working through what might be some projects
16:07:35 <darci> On a particular activity? Or in general?
16:07:40 <EllenZ> GNOME
16:07:48 <EllenZ> too much to wade through
16:07:49 <heidie> Ah, is this for the project evaluation activity?
16:07:55 <EllenZ> stage 2
16:08:02 <EllenZ> oops I meean part B
16:08:05 <EllenZ> of stage 1
16:08:35 <sonal> #info I had trouble with the evaluation activity
16:08:35 <stoney> Maybe we should get an update from everyone first and then hold this discussion for the next topic?
16:08:46 <kwurst> #info kwurst has completed about 1/2 of the assignments. Unfortunately, mostly the ones without deliverables, so I've got writing to do today and tomorrow.
16:09:00 <heidie> So you mean the project evaluation activity?
16:09:08 <heidie> If so, you only needed to evaluate a single project.
16:09:11 <sonal> #info yes. I picked Sahana
16:09:35 <sonal> #info But the project info on sourceforge and ohloh seemed outdated
16:09:36 <EllenZ> #info project evaluation I spent the most time on
16:09:55 <sbenthall> #info I haven't been able to log in to the foss2serve wiki (though I have logged into the teachingopensource wiki; I can't tell if credentials are linked). so i blogged instead
16:10:07 <heidie> sbenthall: That's good!
16:10:22 <heidie> And sorry about the wiki. We need to fix the password thing.
16:10:28 <sbenthall> no biggie
16:10:42 <sbenthall> #info currently trying to understand the evaluation process, it does look pretty daunting
16:10:56 <heidie> sonal, ellenz, Was the problem because you couldn't figure out where the information was to evaluate the projects?
16:11:08 <heidie> Or can you more clearly articulate the problem?
16:11:13 <EllenZ> #info actually my time sinc was even more so in the FOSS in course part 1
16:11:44 <EllenZ> #info the GNOME accessibility roadmap was over a year old
16:12:02 <sonal> #info I found some information about the project on its website, but couldn't find some of the information that I was expecting to find on ohloh
16:12:12 <heidie> ah, OK.
16:12:13 <EllenZ> #info I traversed and traversed and read and read and read and then landed some place that looked interesting
16:12:21 <heidie> WHere did you land?
16:12:24 <EllenZ> #info only to find out it was a different site?
16:13:10 <camm> what was that site?
16:13:31 <EllenZ> #info Project possibility  *had to look at my wiki
16:13:42 <heidie> EllenZ, No need to #info everything
16:13:52 <EllenZ> #info GCompris
16:13:54 <heidie> \We just wanted the #info for the one sentence summary of your status.
16:14:00 <EllenZ> oh, sorry
16:14:06 <heidie> :-) Not a problem.
16:14:32 <EllenZ> They were not actually under GNOME assessibility
16:14:34 <heidie> Sounds like we need to provide a better starting point for that activity.
16:14:36 <Patti> sorry to join late
16:14:39 <heidie> Ah, got it.
16:14:42 <heidie> Welcome Patti!
16:14:47 <EllenZ> I posted all my topics, didnt come out very well on my wiki...
16:15:03 <heidie> OK, no fuss.
16:15:21 <heidie> Let's continue with the summary of progress.
16:15:32 <esmail> #info I just returned from an unscheduled trip to Germany which threw my schedule off. I've been working on Parts B and C concurrently, in the process of finishing them. I agree with EllenZ though, it's taken much more time than I had anticipated too :)
16:15:39 <EllenZ> just fixed it though, now it is readable
16:15:49 <stoney> Hi Patti, agenda here: http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
16:15:56 <camm> EllenZ: can you provide a link to your wiki
16:16:15 <heidie> Ah, thank you esmail.
16:16:35 <EllenZ> http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/User:Ezimmer
16:16:46 <heidie> We'll be asking for more detailed feedback at Stage 2.
16:16:56 <Patti> I have just completed Part A...
16:16:57 <EllenZ> If you scroll down you should see the "topics" for projects
16:17:03 <heidie> It would be most helpful if you could identify exactly which activities took more time than expected.
16:17:20 <EllenZ> Finding those "topics" took a long time!
16:17:28 <lorip> and also if the time spent was productive or not...
16:17:32 * heidie looks
16:18:34 <esmail> for me, since I wasn't too familiar with the sites or tools (though I knew about them) there was just a learning curve ... not quite sure how to structure this differently though - perhaps there will be a chance to brainstorm about this.
16:18:53 <heidie> Ah, this was also a scoping issue with the activity.
16:19:09 <heidie> Yes! There will definitely be time to brainstorm about the project and finding one.
16:19:21 <EllenZ> yes, not familiar with GNOME site and it is SO complex... library, live, love, ORCA, Carabou... and on and on
16:19:29 <heidie> Yes, that is true.
16:19:50 <sbenthall> it seems like Ohloh has changed its user interface since the course materials were made
16:19:51 <EllenZ> Did not know if we needed to stay in only GNOME Accessibility.. which seemed done other than bug stuff
16:20:00 <camm> EllenZ: what do you mean "Couldn't find anything that worked"?  As in you couldn't find a project under GNOME that was a language you knew, humanitarian and reasonable scope?
16:20:02 <heidie> I might also suggest that when you find that you're spending a lot more time than expected, this is a good time to turn to the community for direction.
16:20:05 <sbenthall> sometimes there were references to parts of the site that didn't exist
16:20:14 <heidie> Either via email or by chiming in on this IRC channel.
16:20:31 <sbenthall> ooh good call
16:20:48 <EllenZ> I didnt even know what question to ask and to what group since there are so many
16:21:07 <heidie> Ask here first!
16:21:25 <heidie> You've just highlighted one of the main reasons why POSSE exists.
16:21:26 <EllenZ> I started drawing a map so I could notice where I had been before... lots of looping around
16:21:40 <EllenZ> I thought I was the only one still in part B
16:21:42 <heidie> Because it can be difficult to traverse HFOSS communities.
16:21:45 <heidie> Nope, :-)
16:21:47 <esmail> irc seems quiet .. I've been lurking on the sahana group too .. not much happening there ...
16:21:57 <heidie> And yes, definitely reach out and ask questions!
16:22:06 <EllenZ> I actually starte to jump to one of the other projects
16:22:11 <esmail> EllenZ: Nope .. me too
16:22:17 <EllenZ> I felt very overwhelmed with GNOME
16:22:26 <heidie> Right, it can be so.
16:22:30 <EllenZ> Heidi -
16:22:32 <heidie> This is part of being producitvely lost.
16:22:35 <heidie> :-)
16:22:42 <EllenZ> per your question... yes, looking for a language
16:22:46 <EllenZ> or something familiar
16:22:46 <heidie> Ah, OK.
16:22:50 <heidie> RIght.
16:23:03 <EllenZ> I guess
16:23:09 <EllenZ> productively lost...
16:23:24 <Patti> I guess I will be there soon...
16:23:25 <heidie> #info If you've spent a lot of time investigating things, go to the community.
16:23:25 <EllenZ> But I have to get on the road tomorrow so I need to be productively found!
16:23:43 <heidie> I have made this mistake over and over. I'm looking for information and cant' find it and I keep pushing.
16:23:49 <heidie> Rather than asking the community for help.
16:24:00 <EllenZ> help
16:24:08 <heidie> I think it is an academic trait :-)
16:24:22 <heidie> We're supposed to be able to find things out ourselves.
16:24:28 <kwurst> I find asking for help from the community to be something the students have a really hard time doing as well.
16:24:40 <heidie> Ellenz, are you around after the meeting? We could chat then.
16:24:41 <esmail> kwurst: true
16:24:41 <EllenZ> I decided to move forward into part C
16:24:48 <heidie> Yes, good decision.
16:24:48 <EllenZ> yes... I can remain
16:24:53 <stoney> did everyone have a chance to #info and update?
16:25:08 <heidie> I dont' think so
16:25:12 <kwurst> I had to keep reminding them "If you can't find it, someone in the community must know, but just hasn't documented it."
16:25:15 <heidie> Sonal?
16:25:29 <kwurst> "And then you can document it for the community..."
16:25:32 <heidie> And Patti I think hasn't given us an update.
16:25:49 <sonal> #info I gave up on evaluation and moved on to the bug tracker. I am now on source control
16:25:57 <Patti> #info I have only gotten through Part A...
16:25:59 <heidie> Good!
16:26:03 <heidie> OK
16:26:15 <heidie> (Anyone who wants can stay after and I'll answer questions)
16:26:56 <stoney> ok... next topic?
16:27:04 <heidie> Wait, Esmail?
16:27:10 <heidie> Did I miss your post?
16:27:24 <esmail> heidie: Yes, upstream :)
16:27:27 <stoney> yes esmail ent
16:27:29 <stoney> went
16:27:39 <heidie> Ah, OK, I'll scroll back
16:27:59 <esmail> currently working on parts B and C ...
16:28:16 <stoney> #topic questions about POSSE stage 1
16:28:19 <heidie> Got it.
16:28:31 <heidie> So we started this, but are there other questions about Stage 1?
16:28:48 <stoney> (I think we've been doing this... so if we are done... we can move on to stage 2)
16:28:51 <EllenZ> Do we have to stay with the project we signed up for?
16:28:52 <Patti> Yes, I am struggling to catch up....
16:29:04 <camm> EllenZ: no
16:29:14 <EllenZ> I will be the only one working on GNOME at the workshop anyway
16:29:16 <Patti> What must I absolutely do before Monday?
16:29:29 <esmail> patti: good question
16:29:51 * heidie looks at stage 1 activities
16:30:33 <heidie> Skip the blogging.
16:31:03 <heidie> Not sure how far everyone has gotten, so difficult to identify.
16:31:23 <darci> It may be helpful to have 'looked at' all of them.
16:31:31 <Patti> OK...
16:31:32 <heidie> Yes, good answer darci
16:31:35 <darci> Just limit the amount of time you spend on each.
16:31:44 <stoney> exactly
16:31:49 <stoney> timebox
16:32:04 <lorip> My gut reaction (and heidie, stoney, darci please chime in) is that the course planning ones will be very important for stage 2
16:32:21 <kwurst> I've 'looked at' all of them. I plan to at least try to write the Course Planning 1 & 2. Or at least outline them...
16:32:24 <heidie> Yes. But timeboxing is best.
16:32:37 <stoney> lorip: yes... but it can be a bottomless pit
16:32:38 <EllenZ> timeboxing?
16:32:50 <stoney> set yourself a time (30min) and stick to it
16:32:54 <EllenZ> hahaha
16:32:57 <Patti> I have to say I think you guys have done a fabulous job putting this together and I apologize for not making the most of all your hard work
16:32:58 <stoney> then reasses
16:33:01 <darci> :-)
16:33:03 <esmail> 30 minutes seems rather optimistic :)
16:33:09 <EllenZ> right... well then I am done since I have put in 30 hours?
16:33:09 <heidie> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeboxing
16:33:24 <Patti> I was about to ask what is timeboxing
16:33:32 <Patti> thanks, Heidi
16:33:36 <stoney> that doesn't mean stop at 30 minutes... just come back up for air
16:33:45 <lorip> agreed stoney - but without some sense of what you want to do and what project might work in your environment it will be difficult to participate in some of the activities
16:33:52 <heidie> The idea is to familiarize yourself with all of the activities before arriving in Phila.
16:33:54 <EllenZ> yeah I need to stay on the surface for a while... my family misses me
16:34:03 <esmail> stoney: similar to the pomodoro method I use then, good
16:34:14 <heidie> If you've only got 2 hours, allocate that time across the remaining activities that you haven't yet looked at.
16:34:29 <sbenthall> esmail: oh interesting, you find pomodoro works for you?
16:34:35 <heidie> And do ask questions if you get stuck.
16:34:47 <darci> pomodoro?
16:34:50 <esmail> sbenthall: for me it's one of the best ways to get work done
16:35:02 <heidie> Specifically, ask questions of foss2serve
16:35:03 <stoney> esmail: sounds about right
16:35:07 <esmail> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique
16:35:13 <esmail> http://www.pomodorotechnique.com/
16:35:34 <stoney> #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique
16:35:42 * darci looking
16:35:43 <stoney> #link http://www.pomodorotechnique.com/
16:36:15 <lorip> very interesting links!
16:36:23 <esmail> darci: you basicially work in 25 minute chunks, take a 5 minute break, and get back to work. Various free timing tools are available to help. (and you can adjust the work/break times)
16:37:05 <camm> EllenZ: is Trish from Edinboro not attending?
16:37:11 <EllenZ> unfortunately I just work until done...
16:37:16 <EllenZ> not attending
16:37:19 <Patti> I have to say as a new AP... I can't believe how much of being a prof is time management...
16:37:23 <darci> Cool! I often work this way naturally.
16:37:28 <stoney> heidie: reading for next topic?
16:37:41 <stoney> heidie: "ready" i mean
16:37:52 <heidie> camm, trish isn't coming to stage 2
16:38:03 <heidie> :-) Yes, ready
16:38:14 <stoney> #topic questions about POSSE stage 2
16:39:01 <darci> Does anyone have any questions about our upcoming face to face workshop?
16:39:05 <Patti> any cheap parking in the area?
16:39:05 <heidie> Are there questions about what we'll be doing in stage 2?
16:39:33 <heidie> I think that ghislop is creating an updated handout for us.
16:39:35 <EllenZ> Patti: Greg was working on parking at Drexel...
16:39:38 <heidie> Patti, are you driving?
16:39:41 <EllenZ> I will need to do that...
16:39:43 <darci> I think that Greg suggested you contact him.
16:39:44 <stoney> Patti: good question... where is greg when you need him :)
16:39:52 <esmail> not now :) .. I'll have some questions about logistics/timing if there's a chance to ask
16:39:57 <EllenZ> yes, he was getting back to me today
16:39:57 <Patti> Yes from Baltimore...
16:40:11 <stoney> esmail: this is the time
16:40:34 <heidie> Ah, so not flying in from San Juan :-)
16:40:49 <EllenZ> I have two questions: attire? computer vs ipad on Sunday? on Monday? on Tuesday?
16:40:51 <esmail> My flight gets in just before 5pm, will I have time to get to the hotel and  then meet up with everyone at 6 on campus?
16:41:08 <heidie> Provided that your flight is on time, most likely.
16:41:20 <heidie> Hmmm, or not?
16:41:30 <stoney> EllenZ: attire... casual?
16:41:30 <heidie> Takes 15-30 minutes to get from airport to hotel.
16:41:44 <heidie> Then register and then get to Drexel. This doesn't include picking up your luggage.
16:41:46 <EllenZ> I just realized I do not know the hotel either?  The agenda just indicates we get shuttled
16:41:49 <esmail> the original instructions said to get in during the afternoon ... wish I had known about the times
16:41:50 <Patti> Long story... needed to find cheapest way to get there because apparently I didn't buy the ticket when I thought I did...
16:42:01 <esmail> heidie: carry on
16:42:01 <heidie> EllenZ: Yes, casual
16:42:06 <stoney> EllenZ: i would recommend something you can type on if need by (my inclination would be a laptop over an ipad)
16:42:07 <heidie> Patti: Oh, that is frustrating!
16:42:09 <esmail> heidie: luggage
16:42:36 <heidie> So if you leave the airport at 5:00, you should be able to get to the hotel, register, then take a taxi or walk to Drexel. But it will be tight.
16:42:53 <esmail> heidie: thanks .. I'll do my best.
16:42:56 <heidie> Let's see if ghislop_afk is really afk
16:43:20 <lorip> greg sent an email on 5/22 with local information - it has the hotel address at the top
16:43:26 <esmail> EllenZ: It's Hotel Sonesta .. there was an e-mail with local info
16:43:38 <EllenZ> I will check my email... osrry
16:43:38 * stoney reading to catch up
16:43:54 <lorip> no problem - do you want me to forward it to you?
16:44:24 * stoney has caught up
16:44:35 * ghislop also reading...
16:44:38 <Patti> * heidie It's been a rough ending to first year...
16:45:02 <ghislop> I'm working on an update of the local information... should email that to everyone within the hour...
16:45:03 <darci> EllenZ: definitely a laptop over an iPad -- there may be an opportunity to download/install development environments
16:45:08 <EllenZ> I didn't even see that attachment to the email... well that helps now that I know I have the hotel and riections!
16:45:11 <heidie> Ah, yes. Patti, it does get better :-)
16:45:16 <ghislop> it has more info on the airport shuttle and on parking
16:45:19 <heidie> The first year of teaching is mostly learning :-) And there is so much learning you won't have to repeat the second year.
16:45:51 <heidie> ghislop, esmail is arriving just before 5:00 on Sunday. Should he go to the hotel or directly to Drexel.
16:45:57 <stoney> Patti: first year is the toughest... then you just get used to it :)
16:46:00 <sonal> I am really looking forward to some hands on activities next week
16:46:04 <stoney> lol
16:46:11 <sonal> It will be nice to not feel so lost
16:46:12 <ghislop> We're starting at 6... so going to the hotel would be tight
16:46:35 <ghislop> I'd suggest going directly to drexel
16:46:37 <esmail> patti: it *does* get better .. I just finished my first year at a new institution too .. 5 new preps .. ugh. Next year, only one :)
16:46:52 <stoney> esmail: ooooo nice!
16:47:01 <esmail> ghislop: I'll see what the timing will be when I get there ...
16:47:12 <esmail> stoney: :)
16:47:28 <EllenZ> ghislop: would it be better for me just to go to Drexel and check into hotel after Sunday agenda?
16:47:42 <ghislop> esmail: yes, that's good.  was just thinking.. if you're early, probably time to go to the hotel... also perhaps if you only have carry-on bags... PHL can be very slow in baggage claim
16:47:43 <EllenZ> Then I could leave my car at Drexel overnight for $12?
16:48:21 <esmail> ghislop: Yes, I will only have carry on .. so if possible I'll head to the hotel first, then to campus.
16:48:52 <ghislop> EllenZ: the garage at drexel isn't open for visitors on Sunday... I'm looking for alternatives, but so far no good ones.. I'll address this in the email today.
16:49:10 <ghislop> esmail: that sounds good
16:49:55 <Patti> Parking at hotel is expensive... will also look at train
16:49:56 <EllenZ> Ghislop: ok.  I am just noticing that a walk between hotel and campus works too...
16:50:20 <ghislop> yes.  it's a mile walk.  straight up Market St.
16:50:39 <sonal> ghislop: Is there a phone number we can call (maybe yours?) in case of unforeseen emergencies?
16:50:40 <esmail> a mile shouldn't take very long .. I'll probably walk ...
16:50:41 <EllenZ> maybe there is another parking venue unrelated to hotel or campus?
16:51:10 <ghislop> sonal: I'll include some cell numbers in the email
16:51:18 <sonal> thank you
16:51:58 <stoney> I love it... we are knocking down issues!!!
16:52:15 <ghislop> EllenZ: not great choice for other parking options... I've been looking at that.
16:52:29 <kwurst> stoney: Are you putting them in the tracker?
16:52:34 <EllenZ> maybe just have to do the hotel for Sunday but could move it MOnday?
16:52:44 <stoney> kwurst: lol... no!
16:53:07 <ghislop> EllenZ: yes, that's the best option I've worked out so far.
16:53:12 <stoney> kwurst: I was referring to all of the stuff being asked here :)
16:53:29 <EllenZ> Would Drexel be available if we drive there at 7:45am on Monday?
16:53:37 <ghislop> ell:
16:53:40 <ghislop> EllenZ:
16:53:40 <EllenZ> Just to move the car?
16:53:41 <ghislop> yes
16:53:49 <ghislop> can't type :-)
16:54:10 <kwurst> stoney: But don't they need to be documented, so they aren't issues in a future iteration of POSSE?
16:54:27 <stoney> kwurst: that's a good point
16:54:42 <esmail> It would be helpful to know the time of the first meeting on Sunday before making flight reservations - that would be my suggestion :)
16:54:59 <kwurst> stoney: You can just go back through the IRC transcript and capture them all...
16:55:08 <esmail> Will we need our laptop Sunday night, or can I get away withouth schlepping it with me that first evening?
16:55:16 <stoney> kwurst: I think I would have to sift through this and pick out those that are more general
16:55:24 <ghislop> esmail: There was a time posted in the original announcement.  I guess we need to make that more prominent.
16:55:30 <darci> There is a schedule here.
16:55:31 <stoney> esmail: yes, need laptop
16:55:33 <darci> #link http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
16:56:02 <stoney> esmail: we'll be doing an activity right out of the gate
16:56:25 <esmail> stoney: sounds good, thanks.
16:56:30 <camm> I also added a link for the different project to the POSSE_2013-06
16:56:37 <stoney> darci: thanks... see that's why you are the Queen of Meetings
16:56:38 <camm> under "tools"
16:56:53 <camm> I couldn't find a link to it anywhere
16:57:23 <esmail> ghislop: I only found "expect to arrive Sunday afternoon .. workshop will begin with dinner .." but there wasn't a time (as there was for the other two days). If it was somewhere else, I missed it, so yes, making it more prominent would help :)
16:57:55 <darci> camm: "different project"? I'm not sure what you mean?
16:58:04 <stoney> camm: ? were is the link you added?
16:58:08 <camm> "different projects"
16:58:23 <camm> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/POSSE_2013-06
16:58:27 <kwurst> darci: It's the "HFOSS Communities" link
16:58:34 <camm> pt.3 under tools
16:58:48 <darci> OH -- got it!
16:58:54 <stoney> ok, got it
16:59:03 <kwurst> camm: That was really needed. I could never find a link to that list either. Other than through the list of all pages...
16:59:19 <camm> I changed the name to "POSSE HFOSS projects"
16:59:28 <camm> since "HFOSS Communities" is a little unclear
16:59:29 <ghislop> esmail: the page I meant is:  http://foss2serve.org/index.php/POSSE_Announcement  I remembered that it had the time because I've been wishing it was a bit earlier, but felt bound to stick with what we said!  :-)
16:59:31 <heidie> Right, we've all been navigating the wiki by using the All Pages link from the main page :-)
16:59:49 <camm> kwurst: I usually had to look in the IRC logs or in the modification history to find it :)
16:59:51 <EllenZ> Camm: you didn't actually add projects... just the link to the page of projects - right?
17:00:19 <camm> EllenZ: yes, the 5 projects are set at this point
17:00:46 <esmail> ghislop: ah, got it, thanks .. clearly slipped my attention otherwise I'd have tried an earlier flight. No biggie, I'll hustle and make it :)
17:00:48 <camm> I think there are some people who haven't decided yet, so you may not be only person on GNOME accessibility once people decide
17:01:02 <ghislop> the wiki is organized by category... the category assignment is not perfect, but the link from the front page to "by category" is helpful
17:01:29 <EllenZ> Anyone here done research on the Ushahidi  project?
17:01:50 <EllenZ> According the the forges it seems dead... but the website has 2013 info and seems active
17:01:52 <camm> EllenZ: I have used it in two courses
17:01:52 <ghislop> EllenZ: Cam is our Ushahidi person...
17:01:56 <EllenZ> I liked that one...
17:01:59 <camm> It is not dead
17:02:18 <camm> <insert monty python joke>
17:02:20 <lorip> it looks like 12 people have tentatively chosen projects
17:02:20 <EllenZ> The forges have "no activity" I think... or it is missing...
17:02:23 <heidie> And Joanie Diggs who is co-lead on GNOME Accessibility will be at Stage 2
17:02:29 <camm> EllenZ: what "forges"?
17:02:33 <heidie> So we'll have an expert to ask questions.
17:02:46 <lorip> how many people are attending POSSE?  20 or so?
17:02:48 <EllenZ> SourceForge and ohohl (or whatever it is :)
17:03:06 <camm> EllenZ: it is maintained on github https://github.com/Ushahidi
17:03:13 <lorip> so yes, there are people who have not chosen a project and others may switch
17:03:20 <EllenZ> Yes, the other links seemed very alive
17:03:26 <ghislop> lorip: just over 20 participants.... a total of about 30 in the room counting team, etc...
17:03:32 <EllenZ> just the original search didn't turn up much
17:03:54 <camm> google searches you mean?
17:03:56 <EllenZ> I thought if I was the only GNOME'er then I would be lonely at the f2f
17:04:29 <EllenZ> no, on the sourceforge and on Ohloh..
17:05:26 <camm> EllenZ: that may be a different project with the same name
17:05:33 <camm> on sourceforge at least
17:05:49 <EllenZ> If you go to source forge and type in "Ushahidi" nothing comes up... looking deeper... you can get the Ushahidi  Disaster recovery... but no activity
17:06:14 <stoney> heidie: adjourn? but let people continue working
17:06:19 <EllenZ> oh sorry... Disaster management...
17:06:28 <heidie> Sure, that sounds fine.
17:06:34 <stoney> #endmeeting