15:04:25 <heidie> #startmeeting 15:04:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 7 15:04:25 2014 UTC. The chair is heidie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:37 <heidie> Agenda: 15:04:47 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 15:05:22 <heidie> This meeting is generally to see how folks are doing and to see what questions there are. 15:05:36 <heidie> Why don't we start by having everyone give us an update on how they are coming. 15:05:39 <heidie> #topic updates 15:06:23 <baochuan> I finished stage 1 activities and 50% of stage 2 activities. 15:06:47 <JamesMcGuffee> I have finished stage 1 activities through Part B.3 15:06:49 <berkowitz__> I am here. 4G connection will hopefully remain stable 15:06:54 <JamesMcGuffee> Stage 2 isn't until Philly, right? 15:07:10 <JamesMcGuffee> how could you be 50% through stage 2? 15:07:29 <berkowitz__> I too have worked through the stage1 activities 15:07:31 <zanmello> I finished Part A and B of Stage 1. 15:07:34 <JamesMcGuffee> I will finish B.4 today and we are doing B.5 right now 15:07:58 <heidie> ah, now if you all use the #info tag, your updates will be nicely displayed in the notes. :-) 15:08:01 <heidie> Please. 15:08:06 <zanmello> lol 15:08:17 <JamesMcGuffee> I still have my lingering logistics questions re: travel and just wondering when someone is going to get back to me - 15:08:22 <wardj1> I’m behind. I’ve finished Stage 1 Part A. I plan to get caught up next week. 15:08:27 <heidie> JamesMcGuffee: Soon! 15:08:29 <zanmello> #info I finished Part A and B of Stage 1. Will start Part C soon. 15:08:40 <heidie> We have the hotel block. Just need to get the information in a form and out to you. 15:08:48 <heidie> thanks zanmello 15:08:53 <baochuan> Sorry, I finished part A and 50% of part B. 15:09:12 <heidie> #info JamesMcGuffee hs finished stage 1 activities through Part B.3 15:09:21 <JamesMcGuffee> #info for stage 1, I have finished all of Part A, The only Part B activity I haven't finished is #4 and I plan to do that today (FOSS in course planning 1) 15:09:22 <baochuan> I evaluated some projects but haven't created the blog posts. 15:09:49 <heidie> baochuan: Thanks, could you please repeat using the #info tag? This will nicely format your status in the notes. 15:10:01 <heidie> wardj1: Yup, I'm familiar with trying to catch up! 15:10:09 <stoney> #info [The foss2serve team] have the hotel block. Just need to get the information in a form and out to [participants]. 15:10:53 <zanmello> I am looking forward to the train ride down to Phily. Its been awhile since I have been on a train. 15:11:03 <heidie> Yes, fun! 15:11:03 <baochuan> #info I finished part A and is currently at B3. 15:12:01 <heidie> Good! 15:12:16 <berkowitz__> #Info I am finished part 1 and working on part 2 15:12:16 <heidie> Anyone else have an update? 15:12:29 <heidie> Also good! 15:12:29 <JamesMcGuffee> oooh, even though it's not finished, I do have a good idea for Part B.3 for an activity involving first semester freshmen 15:12:31 <heidie> :-) 15:12:39 <heidie> Wonderful! 15:12:53 <heidie> We need more of these types of activities. 15:13:20 <berkowitz__> #Info. I meant finished A and working on B 15:14:37 <heidie> got it. 15:14:39 <berkowitz__> Part B is very much like a course I already teach, itself 15:14:43 <alex_rmezei> huys guys ... sorry for getting late ... I just wanted to let you all know I just got here 15:14:52 <heidie> Super! 15:14:58 <heidie> We're doing status updates. 15:15:36 <stoney> hi alex_rmezei 15:16:23 <alex_rmezei> hi everyone 15:16:24 <alex_rmezei> :) 15:16:29 * JamesMcGuffee wonders if anyone thought the name of his blog was weird 15:16:33 <berkowitz__> Hi Alex 15:16:50 <alex_rmezei> I am working on Part B 15:16:56 <zanmello> The Fosse Boss? LOL 15:17:27 <burdged> :) 15:18:00 * heidie goes and looks 15:18:07 <alex_rmezei> I am working on B3-4, and I may need to redo part of A. I'll read it again very soon 15:18:46 <burdged> That's great alex_rmezei ! 15:19:33 <heidie> #info alex_rmezei is workiing on B3-4, and I may need to redo part of A 15:19:52 <heidie> JamesMcGuffee: I like it! 15:20:24 <berkowitz__> I just wanted to check if this client is working. Are my messages being seen? 15:20:58 <alex_rmezei> I do see them berkowitz___ 15:21:09 <berkowitz__> Thanks 15:21:16 <burdged> me too... 15:22:20 <berkowitz__> I am using a cloud ice client since my internet is not stable, thanks all for the confirmation 15:22:54 <heidie> Ah,yup. 15:24:26 <burdged> heidie: I don't recall...did we have an agenda for today? 15:24:49 <heidie> Yes, http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 15:24:53 <heidie> We are doing updates. 15:24:59 <heidie> Next topic is questions about phase 1? 15:25:10 <heidie> #topic Questions on Phase 1 15:25:14 <burdged> Ok...thanks! 15:26:40 <heidie> Who has questions on what you've been doing? 15:26:59 <JamesMcGuffee> I have a question 15:27:56 <JamesMcGuffee> on Part B.2 it said we didn't have to complete the secondary part as part of the assignment but, wouldn't we really want to do it to give a more complete overview of the process? 15:27:59 <heidie> Sure! 15:28:46 * heidie looks 15:28:54 <JamesMcGuffee> Also, I was unable to figure out how to attach an XLXS file to the foss2serve wiki, so I added the file to my home faculty pages and made a link on the wiki - is there an easier way? 15:29:37 <heidie> Yes, however what we found during the last POSSE was that folks were spending an inordinate amount of time trying to complete that. 15:29:39 <zanmello> James - There is an upload file button on the lower left hand side. Once you upload the file you can use the commands in the textbox to link to it 15:30:01 <heidie> And we didn't want to discourage folks. Just wanted them to get an understanding of how the process works. 15:30:30 <JamesMcGuffee> Uploading, I don't see an upload file button 15:30:32 <zanmello> I plan on spending more time with it after grading is done. :> 15:30:44 <burdged> JamesMcGuffee: Are you logged in? 15:30:47 <JamesMcGuffee> I'm using Chrome, should I try a different browser? 15:30:52 <alex_rmezei> I did spend much more time than the estimated 4.5 hours. But I did enjoy learning quite a few new things. :) 15:30:55 <JamesMcGuffee> Yes, logged in and in edit mode 15:31:16 <burdged> I'm using Firefox and can see it. 15:31:58 <zanmello> James - Do you see a ToolBox link at bottom left corner? It is under there 15:32:11 <JamesMcGuffee> no, I do not see that 15:32:22 <heidie> I believe that yo uhave to be logged in to see it. 15:32:49 <JamesMcGuffee> I am logged in and I just tried on Firefox (again logging in) I still don't see it 15:32:56 <zanmello> On my left panel I have Events, Learning Resources, Projects, Navigation and Toolbox 15:32:58 <JamesMcGuffee> I have a toolbar in the ipper left hand corner 15:33:29 <burdged> Do you see the other categories (Navigation, Projects, etc.)? 15:33:32 <JamesMcGuffee> there is an "embed file" button 15:33:57 <JamesMcGuffee> okay, I see it now 15:34:12 <zanmello> Not in the text box, on the left side of the web page 15:34:13 <JamesMcGuffee> I see a left plain text navigation 15:34:29 <JamesMcGuffee> no buttons, just text, I was looking for a graphic 15:35:43 <zanmello> James - what is outside your textbox on the left? Do you have POSSE Info under Events? 15:37:21 <heidie> Hello MohsenD 15:37:25 <JamesMcGuffee> Thanks for all the help, group. I was able to succesfully add and then link to the excel file 15:37:30 <heidie> Good! 15:37:34 <zanmello> wahoo 15:37:59 <MohsenD> hello, this is mohsen doroodchi , I shortened it for simplicity 15:38:05 <MohsenD> :) 15:38:09 <heidie> Welcome MohsenD 15:38:18 <zanmello> Hi MohsenD 15:38:22 <burdged> Hello! 15:38:24 <heidie> We're talking about any questions that folks have had with what they've been doing. 15:38:28 <heidie> Do you have any quesitons? 15:38:56 <MohsenD> not really , swamp in finals and final projects 15:39:07 <MohsenD> will be working hard the next couple weeks 15:39:15 <alex_rmezei> one of the questions on Part B was: Identify the meaning of each of the statuses below 15:39:31 <MohsenD> I think we should be able to see others work, right? 15:39:31 <alex_rmezei> was there a place on sourceforge to find the complete definitions? 15:40:08 <alex_rmezei> I spent quite some time on sourceforge trying to find it, but for some reason I did not succeed. 15:40:28 <heidie> Google might also have some hints. 15:40:40 <JamesMcGuffee> Alex, I experienced similar, I only found some of them (but I simply documented that on my wiki in the writeup) 15:40:43 <heidie> And if you can't find it on google, dropping by the foss2serve channel and asking is a good approach. 15:41:13 <heidie> :-) Using good FOSS protocol of course. 15:41:13 <alex_rmezei> i did find some of them in some of the projects' documentation. 15:41:17 <heidie> Ah, good. 15:41:37 <JamesMcGuffee> So, waiting until others update their wiki and just copying their answers is NOT good protocol? 15:41:49 <heidie> So the general rule here is that if you find something in a FOSS community that you don't understand and don't get a reasonable answer, ask the community. 15:41:50 <alex_rmezei> google works for me, I was worried I could not find it on sourceforge. 15:41:51 <heidie> :-) 15:41:54 <heidie> Reuse! 15:42:02 <alex_rmezei> :-) 15:42:17 <heidie> Finding information for FOSS projects can often rely on google or other search engine. 15:42:36 <alex_rmezei> got it! thank you! :) 15:43:18 <JamesMcGuffee> The thing I found most useful was being able to change the dates to see activity. A project I looked at seemed very active BUT over the last 12 months an 87% decrease in activity 15:43:41 <JamesMcGuffee> Which could mean lack of activity OR that the project is stabilizing 15:44:13 <JamesMcGuffee> Either way, it has an impact on how I might use the project in an educational setting 15:45:13 <heidie> Yes, right. 15:45:36 <heidie> And in cases like this, contacting the community and asking about forward direction can be very helpful. 15:46:05 <heidie> As a prof., one of the biggest mistakes that I made, and still make occassionally,, is to not ask the community soon enough. 15:46:33 <heidie> I spend an entire 2 days trying to get a web cam to work in VirtualBox with GNOME only to ask the community for help and be told that you likely couldn't do it! 15:47:23 <zanmello> I am worried about milestones and grading in the class. 15:48:39 <heidie> Ah, yes. 15:48:49 <heidie> As one issue, or as two separate things? 15:49:48 <zanmello> Well I can always assign a requirements doc is due on a certain date. But how do I know if it is correct? How do you stay ahead of the students? 15:50:41 <heidie> OK, so I use the community to check if the requirements are correct. 15:50:52 <zanmello> oh interesting 15:50:53 <heidie> I usually have some idea as to what the program is supposed to do. 15:51:11 <heidie> And make students come up with a list of questions as they create requirements. 15:51:20 <heidie> I then go through the list and answer the ones that I can. 15:51:30 <heidie> We then turn the set of questions over to the community and ask for input. 15:52:00 <heidie> And I grade on the quality of the requirements, but not the completeness unless they mim something that I think is obvious. 15:52:09 <zanmello> great! I am looking forward to talking more about the course logistics. Will be have a chance to do that when we are in person? 15:53:01 <heidie> Yes, we certainly will. 15:53:32 <heidie> My course including assignments is here; http://mars.wne.edu/~hellis/CS490/syllabus.html 15:53:54 <heidie> OK, we're approaching noon. Lets see if there are questions on stage 2? 15:54:01 <heidie> #topic Questions on Stage 2 15:54:42 <zanmello> thank you! 15:54:46 <alex_rmezei> i did not get the chance yet to look at stage 2 topics 15:54:59 <alex_rmezei> am I very far ebhind? 15:55:26 <alex_rmezei> wait, do you mean part B? 15:56:04 <JamesMcGuffee> The only thing on the wiki is "Details Coming Soon!" - so, my first questions is "When is soon?" 15:56:06 <alex_rmezei> I should finish everything on part B this week. 15:56:21 <burdged> alex_rmezei: no, stage 2 is the face 2 face meeting in Philadelphia 15:56:35 <alex_rmezei> I see. Thank you! 15:57:33 <heidie> Oh! Sorry. I'll get that up in the next day or two. 15:57:35 <JamesMcGuffee> Second question for stage 2, what, if any, computing equipment should we bring with us (i.e. it would be helpful if I didn't have to lug a heavy laptop through the airport but will if needed) 15:57:39 <heidie> My apologies, I thought that it was up. 15:57:40 <baochuan> I will need to leave the meeting. Have a class to teach at 11am (CDT). Bye. 15:57:50 <heidie> bye baochuan 15:57:52 <burdged> bye! 15:57:56 <alex_rmezei> bye! 15:57:56 <heidie> You will likely want your laptop. 15:58:10 <heidie> We'll be working on IRC and looking at various things throughout the workshop. 15:58:10 <alex_rmezei> my laptop has Win 8, would that be ok? 15:58:17 <JamesMcGuffee> third question: dress code: coat and tie every day? 15:58:20 <heidie> And hopefully installing a project or two. 15:58:26 * heidie laughs! 15:58:29 <heidie> No jacket or tie. 15:58:31 <alex_rmezei> :-) 15:58:33 <heidie> Casual is fine. 15:58:37 <heidie> Shorts if it is hot. 15:58:48 <stoney> JamesMcGuffee: yes… coat and tie (shhh…. I want to see this :)) 15:59:22 <heidie> :-) Right! 15:59:25 * stoney likes to cause trouble… sometimes 15:59:25 <JamesMcGuffee> I could do both: coat, tie, and short pants 15:59:32 <stoney> even better! 15:59:36 <JamesMcGuffee> like the lead singer of AC/DC 15:59:58 <berkowitz__> Tuxedo T shirts do not count. 16:00:08 <JamesMcGuffee> I'm not sure my colleagues at NKU have ever seen me without a tie 16:00:11 <wardj1> guitarist 16:00:28 <JamesMcGuffee> thanks Jeff (for the rock correction) 16:00:37 <burdged> :) yes! 16:00:38 <heidie> Right. 16:00:38 <heidie> Any other questions? 16:00:55 <zanmello> all set 16:01:04 <JamesMcGuffee> Well, I would like to once again say thanks to our organizers and local hosts 16:01:19 <zanmello> looking forward to meeting everyone in person 16:01:41 <JamesMcGuffee> When I first saw Stage 1 exercises I was like "good grief" BUT as I've gone through them, slowly but surely information has leaked in 16:01:56 <JamesMcGuffee> leaked in my brain 16:02:43 <wardj1> Good information today. Thanks! 16:02:54 <alex_rmezei> ohloh.net gives a lot of metrics that I plan to use regularly in my classes. I love that site. 16:03:03 <heidie> Yes, me too! 16:03:20 <burdged> I have to run. I have a student waiting. Bye all! 16:03:25 <heidie> bye 16:03:27 <stoney> bye 16:03:27 <heidie> Any other questions? 16:03:29 <alex_rmezei> bye! :) 16:03:33 <heidie> I'll close the meeting if so. 16:03:39 <zanmello> bye 16:03:41 <heidie> #endmeeting