01:04:12 <lorip> #startmeeting 01:04:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 11 01:04:12 2014 UTC. The chair is lorip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:04:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:04:25 <lorip> our agenda is at 01:04:31 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 01:05:16 <lorip> let's start with quick updates of where people are at - please use the #info tag for our meeting minutes 01:06:12 <robry> #info on track - in middle of install 01:06:30 <lorip> robry: what project are you installing? 01:06:41 <robry> Eden 01:06:50 <lorip> how's it going? 01:07:12 <lynnlambert> #info I am way behind and need to catch up by Thursday. 01:07:19 <robry> All seems fine - haven't had a chance to try to run it yet. 01:07:24 <EdMirielli> #info well I am working on finishing Part C (behind) and posting outcomes. Selected project and getting ready to install 01:07:46 <rubyK> #info FOSS in Courses 2 01:07:51 <lorip> lynnlambert: let us know if you have questions that we can help with 01:08:13 <darci> EdMirielli: which project did you select 01:08:18 <joanna_kl> #behind, having trouble deciding on the project 01:08:25 <rubyK> I haven't selected a project yet. Working on it. 01:08:29 <joanna_kl> #info behind, having trouble deciding on the project 01:08:35 <joanna_kl> sorry 01:08:41 <StevenCrain> #info I mainly need to work on the second curriculum part. I have already worked a long time installing OpenMRS. It refuses to install because a few test cases are failing. 01:08:41 <lorip> rubyK: can we answer any questions about projects that might help you? 01:08:46 <EdMirielli> GNOME Accessibaility and specifically MouseTrap :) 01:08:56 <lynnlambert> thank you for the offer 01:09:06 <darci> joanna_kl: no worries 01:09:12 <lorip> StevenCrain: what environment are you installing on? 01:09:18 <heidie> Great! A mousetrap person! 01:09:23 <StevenCrain> Windows 7 01:09:48 <lorip> both darci & I have done that install (darci has even done it with a group of students!) 01:10:03 <lorip> do you recall where it is failing? 01:10:10 <rubyK> are any of the projects implemented in Java? 01:10:22 <lorip> OpenMRS is Java 01:10:43 <lorip> Mousetrap and Ushahidi are Python 01:10:45 <StevenCrain> It is getting exceptions trying to find some Spring resources in the test cases for saving encounters. 01:10:55 <heidie> rubyK: OpenMRS is in Java 01:10:58 <lorip> robry: what is Sahana Eden? 01:11:04 <lubaochuan_> #info I am 70% done with part C. Ushahidi will be my project. 01:11:04 <darci> Hmmm...that's a new one! 01:11:06 <rubyK> Great ! I am inclined to go with OpenMRS then. 01:11:17 <EdMirielli> heidie - thanks for the nudge -- looks like a succinct and well focused project in need of assistance, It seems cool too... 01:11:31 <heidie> Yes, very cool. 01:11:48 <heidie> EdMirielli: I can walk you through where we are in development during stage 2 01:11:56 <StevenCrain> I am doing the manual install option for core developers, not the binary-only or kit installs. 01:11:56 <robry> Eden is their response management system 01:12:25 <lorip> I'm sorry robry, I meant what language is it in? 01:12:37 <rubyK> Thanks lorip :) 01:12:39 <EdMirielli> heidie once i get remaining homework done, i plan to install and examine a bit... hopefully I'll be basically informed on thurs 01:12:42 <darci> StevenCrain: the manual install is the option we have chosen in the past 01:13:06 <heidie> EdMirielli: Sure, pay attention to the README.md file as that is where the installation instructions live 01:13:44 <smoussavi> #info I am way behind, but I know I will be working on OpenMRS 01:13:50 <robry> The Eden system has parts in python, C++, and java (I think) 01:14:18 <EdMirielli> heidie will do - i've read basic material on the web site via your provided link and as a starting point 01:14:27 <heidie> Ah, good. 01:14:30 <rubyK> Thanks Heidie :) 01:14:40 <heidie> Stoney is also very familiar with the install. 01:15:21 <lorip> joanna_kl: are there any questions about project that might help you decide? 01:16:01 <joanna_kl> nope, I think I just would like to do too many things and at the same time I am thinking of what the students would get most excited about 01:16:17 <joanna_kl> the GNOME project seems to be the strongest candidate now 01:16:22 <EdMirielli> heidie I am focusing my new course ideas loosely around that project and some other things more general per FOSS 01:16:30 <heidie> Ah, nice! 01:17:19 <lorip> joanna_kl: in addition to heidie & stoney who have worked on mousetrap, we'll have two previous POSSE attendees in Raleigh who are working in GNOME 01:17:38 <smoussavi> Heidie: did you get my email? 01:18:02 <joanna_kl> that's great. I would love to hear some feedback from people who used those in teaching 01:18:03 <heidie> smoussavi: Of a few days ago? Yes, and I thought that I replied? 01:18:29 <smoussavi> Heidie: no an hour ago or so 01:18:32 <lorip> there was a flurry of activity - did we miss any questions? 01:19:02 <heidie> smoussavi: Ah, not yet. 01:19:05 * heidie looks 01:19:06 * lorip trying to scroll back and see what I missed 01:20:34 <lorip> ok - guess we didn't overlook any questions 01:20:52 <lorip> #topic B.1 and B.2 01:21:09 <heidie> smoussavi: I don't know what your login is, but you could look for an email from Greg Hislop. 01:21:11 <EdMirielli> I have metioned to my student that I am attending this workshop and talked about the stage 1 and 2 - this interested them 01:21:12 <heidie> It would be in there. 01:21:32 <lorip> any comment or questions on the foss field trip (B.1) or project evaluation activity (B.2)? 01:21:49 * StevenCrain Test set: org.openmrs.validator.DrugOrderValidatorTest 01:21:58 <EdMirielli> I have found them to be most curious about all we are learning and doing, so it seems this will translate well 01:22:02 * StevenCrain Tests run: 29, Failures: 0, Errors: 1, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 0.764 sec <<< FAILURE! 01:22:15 <lorip> edmirielli: that's great! what class are your students in? 01:22:21 * StevenCrain validate_shouldFailIfConceptIsNullAndCannotInferItFromDrug 01:22:34 * StevenCrain (org.openmrs.validator.DrugOrderValidatorTest) Time elapsed: 0.031 sec <<< ERROR! 01:22:48 * StevenCrain org.hibernate.PropertyValueException: not-null property references a null or transient value: org.openmrs.Drug.concept 01:23:09 <EdMirielli> well i just talk about it in any and all classes when the opprotunity arises - we were discussing operating systems in 1 class and projects in another 01:23:11 <lorip> stevencrain - hmm, I don't recall seeing those - darci? 01:23:34 <heidie> StevenCrain: So if you have code snippets or error messages, typically it helps to put those in a pastebin or etherpad and then link to them. 01:23:42 <darci> me either... 01:24:18 <StevenCrain> Heidi: what are those? 01:24:19 <EdMirielli> i have incorporated a couple of readings in 1 class that they have to critique from an adoption/diffusion perspective about the qualitiative research used on a FOSS project 01:24:32 <lorip> StevenCrain: we will have someone from OpenMRS in Raleigh - I'm not sure if they might be helpful 01:24:51 <lorip> if not, there is a previous POSSE member we might be able to tap for help 01:25:07 <heidie> #link http://pastebin.com/ 01:25:19 <StevenCrain> One of my students is interviewing with a company that makes Open Source code. I found it interesting that they asked him to demonstrate he could be productively lost in their code, just as I was learning that. 01:25:38 <heidie> StevenCrain: They're temporary places to put code or larger pieces of text so that they can be shared and read more easily than in IRC. 01:26:06 <darci> StevenCrain: funny :) 01:26:14 <lorip> we'll talk about etherpads on Thursday 01:26:31 <darci> StevenCrain: So how did he demonstrate that? 01:26:47 <EdMirielli> stevencrain that's cool - what did they do? 01:29:17 <EdMirielli> I thought B1 was very informative and guided me in looking at various dimensions of a project - it obviously scaffold well to part B2 01:29:36 <StevenCrain> link: http://pastebin.com/F1DiwWVm 01:30:08 <EdMirielli> StevenCrian ??? what is that URL for ? 01:30:48 <lorip> those look like his install errors for OpenMRS 01:30:54 <heidie> EdMirielli: I believe it contains the error that he is getting with OpenMRS 01:31:08 <StevenCrain> They gave him a few days to look over their published open source, and then to propose something useful that he could add or enhance. They wanted a presentation describing how thier product worked, how it could be fixed, timelines, etc. 01:31:16 <EdMirielli> heidie ah -- OK related to way about thread... 01:31:59 <StevenCrain> EdMirielli: yes, my OpenMRS errors. Or some of them. 01:32:41 <heidie> Yes, it takes some multi-tasking to follow multiple conversation threads in IRC. 01:33:11 <EdMirielli> StevenCrain - check - I like the format of the task given to the student - that's the sort of thing I want to incorporate into the classroom via FOSS - project contributions too 01:34:00 <lorip> #info we will be drawing upon several of the Stage 1 activities in Stage 2 01:34:42 <lorip> #info specifically - B.1, B. 2, B.4, and C.4 01:36:30 <lorip> If you are trying to budget your time in the next few days, those will be important in the group activities we have planned 01:36:53 <lorip> questions? 01:37:29 <EdMirielli> will we further investigating our projects using B2? 01:37:53 <smoussavi> lorip: thank you for the heads-up 01:38:44 <darci> EdMirielli: yes, we are expecting to look at critical criteria for your chosen project 01:38:47 <heidie> EdMirielli: Yes, we're going to do some more hands-on project evaluation. 01:38:49 <heidie> :-) 01:38:52 <darci> and secondary criteria if time permits 01:39:30 <lorip> #topic ready for Thurs? 01:39:49 <lorip> any questions about logistics (or anything else)? 01:40:30 <StevenCrain> Was the shuttle service mentioned in the first meeting definitely what we should plan for getting to the hotel? 01:40:46 <heidie> Yes, I believe that Greg will distribute instructions on that this evening. 01:41:11 <smoussavi> sometimes, sharing a taxi is more effecient both in terms of time and cost 01:42:28 <EdMirielli> I see on the stage 2 agenda 1:30 is the leave hotel -- do you have plans for those of us who may be arriving around that time? I can't get to Raleigh until about 1:25?? 01:43:02 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 01:43:10 <darci> EdMirielli: I would say that you want to head straight to the workshop 01:43:24 <lorip> that was going to be my suggestion 01:43:30 <heidie> Hmmm, could you all drop me an email and let me know what time you're arriving? 01:43:43 <heidie> Email please so that I can read it on my phone. :-) 01:44:04 <EdMirielli> I agree - I believe meeting is close to hotel so should be easy to find? 01:44:29 <lorip> heidie - have we provided contact numbers for people if they have questions on thurs? or would email be best? 01:44:50 <EdMirielli> heidie - OK on travel times forth comming 01:45:28 <heidie> Yes, I'll ask Greg to include contact numbers in the email he is sending out this evening. 01:45:43 <heidie> Ah, ghislop is on. 01:47:00 <heidie> ghislop: Did you get the request to send along contact numbers? 01:47:08 <ghislop> Hi All. I'll get an email out tonight with instructions on getting from airport to hotel and hotel to Red Hat... I'll also include some phone numbers in case people have problems. 01:47:51 <EdMirielli> ghislop thanks! 01:47:55 <lorip> there's nothing else on the agenda - any other questions before we sign off? 01:48:34 <smoussavi> I am ok. Thanks 01:48:36 <EdMirielli> see you all soon! 01:48:49 <rubyK> sounds good. thanks ghislop 01:49:31 <lynnlambert> See you all Thursday, thank you! 01:49:42 <darci> bye! 01:49:54 <heidie> bye all 01:49:59 <lorip> ok - I'm ending the meeting - if there are any last minute questions, please contact one of us! 01:50:00 <joanna_kl> goodnight 01:50:06 <smoussavi> bye 01:50:06 <lorip> #endmeeting