21:01:47 <stoney> #startmeeting IRC meeting
21:01:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May  3 21:01:47 2016 UTC.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:01:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
21:01:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc_meeting'
21:01:59 <stoney> OK
21:02:03 <stoney> Hi all
21:02:16 <stoney> Let's get the meeting started :)
21:02:33 <stoney> Let's go around and introduce ourselves
21:02:41 <stoney> oh...
21:02:49 <stoney> and here is the agenda we are following
21:02:55 <stoney> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
21:03:11 <stoney> Let's go in alphabetic order by nickname
21:03:25 <stoney> so Aria, could you start us off?
21:03:58 <Aria> Yes! I’m Aria and I am perhaps the sole humanist here :-) I teach at Duke …
21:04:17 <clif> #info I'm Clif Kussmaul, at Muhlenberg College (Allentown, PA). I attended the Sept 2015 POSSE, and have worked on a variety of FOSS projects - Drupal, Moodle, several wiki platforms, etc. I'm also very involved in POGIL (process oriented guided inquiry learning)
21:04:25 <Aria> and am working on a project with Tom Callaway on an initiative to bring open source principles to education
21:04:41 <stoney> Ah.. awesome!
21:04:57 <daleskrien> #info I'm Dale Skrien at Colby College.  I am teaching an object-oriented design course and I'd like to use a HFOSS project for the course instead of a toy project.
21:05:52 <Aria> @daleskrien I went to Bates :-)
21:06:37 <daleskrien> @Aria:  Bates is finally getting a CS program up and running.  We’re happy for them.
21:07:10 <stoney> good stuff
21:07:36 <stoney> kevin-brown is a student at Western New England where I am
21:07:41 <stoney> he is probably away
21:07:58 <stoney> patels13?
21:08:41 <stoney> going once
21:08:57 <stoney> going twice
21:09:13 <stoney> OK, poritzj , you're up :)
21:10:11 <stoney> must have been something I said
21:11:01 <stoney> #info I'm Stoney Jackson, I'm a professor at Western New England University, I've been helping to run POSSEs for a couple years now... welcome!
21:11:20 <stoney> OK, wahlst , your turn
21:12:12 <stoney> going once... :)
21:12:38 <stoney> going twice... :)
21:13:05 <stoney> OK, zodbot is not a real user
21:13:15 <stoney> it records meetings for us
21:13:22 <stoney> and responds to special commands that start with #
21:13:31 <stoney> like...
21:13:41 <stoney> #topic IRC commands
21:13:59 <stoney> At the end of the meeting, minutes will be posted to a website
21:14:03 <stoney> I forget where
21:14:10 <stoney> but zodbot will let us know when we are done
21:14:34 <stoney> Are folks still there?
21:14:43 <Aria> Yes
21:14:56 * stoney wipes his brow
21:15:01 <stoney> That's a releaf
21:15:12 <clif> Dale & I were at the earlier session today
21:15:16 <Aria> And laughing out loud at your comments!
21:15:25 <stoney> Please ask questions as we go
21:15:31 <Aria> Ok
21:15:40 <stoney> Ah, good clif
21:16:01 <stoney> So if you put someones name in a message, most irc clients will ping them
21:16:13 <stoney> meaning they beep or flash
21:16:19 <stoney> that way you can get their attention
21:16:35 <daleskrien> I asked this at the earlier session, but it might be good to raise it again.  What are the advantages of using IRC instead of a conference phone call?  I can think of two advantages:  There are bots to record the meeting and you can do other things like have private chats at the same time.  Are there others?
21:16:35 <stoney> so if you want to talk about the behind their back... be sure to mess up their name
21:17:02 <stoney> good question!
21:17:05 <stoney> and good point!
21:17:22 <stoney> Sure.. there is no reason to do meetings perfectly synchronous
21:17:41 <stoney> for example... rollcall could be everyone shouting out here
21:18:04 <stoney> or if you want a quick status report, everyone can quickly #info up their report
21:18:51 <stoney> Also conference calls probably require more bandwidth
21:19:16 <stoney> so if folks don't have a great connection they can usually still get simple text messages through
21:19:17 <clif> disadvantage of IRC is that "you can do other things" too - encourages multitasking, so some participants may be less than fully engaged
21:19:31 <stoney> that's true too!
21:19:48 <stoney> some folks just leave IRC on while they work
21:19:54 <daleskrien> I just thought of another advantage:  In a conference call, one person could talk too much or too slowly and so not allow others to say anything.
21:20:17 <stoney> right... even if I drone on, you can still get a word in :)
21:20:22 * stoney looks sheepish
21:20:47 <stoney> so... there are a number of commands listed in the agenda
21:20:51 <stoney> feel free to try them out
21:21:10 <stoney> I keep using /me to express an action rather than talking
21:21:27 <stoney> you can also let people know that you are /away and when you return /back
21:21:51 <stoney_> hm
21:21:57 <stoney_> back didn't work
21:22:07 <Aria> When you express an action is that when a dot appears in front of your name?
21:22:12 <stoney_> but notice it just changed my nick
21:22:17 <stoney_> yes
21:22:37 <stoney> hi heidie !
21:22:56 <heidie> Wow! I'm connected!
21:23:05 <heidie> Sorry, that took a really long time.
21:23:09 <stoney> no problem
21:23:29 <stoney> want to introduce yourself real quick
21:23:35 <stoney> ack... don't name him
21:24:04 <heidie> I'm Heidi Ellis and I'm one of the foss2serve team.
21:24:15 <heidie> I'm at Western New England University and Stoney's colleague.
21:24:55 <stoney> heidie you got a favorite IRC command to share?
21:25:07 <heidie> I like "/me"
21:25:15 <heidie> Because I am free to be me! :-)
21:25:22 * heidie chortles to herself
21:25:29 * stoney laughs
21:26:18 <clif> I need to leave - I look forward to interacting more with all of you soon
21:26:21 <heidie> I haven't really quit, just the version of me that was logged on via chatzilla.
21:26:25 <heidie> Bye clif.
21:26:30 <stoney> wow he left fast! :)
21:26:37 <heidie> So where are we on the agenda? Can someone fill me in?
21:26:41 * poritzj feels a single tear roll down his cheek
21:26:52 <stoney> we are playing with IRC commands
21:27:05 <stoney> poritzj right
21:27:16 <poritzj> what are useful chatbot commands?
21:27:18 <heidie> Ah, OK.
21:27:22 <stoney> poritzj did you get a chance to introduce yourself?
21:27:31 <heidie> poritzj, do you mean "meetbot"?
21:28:10 <stoney> #topic meetbot
21:28:25 <stoney> That one, #topic, allows you to change the topic
21:28:28 <poritzj> yes, "meatbot"
21:28:37 <stoney> When the minutes are produced they'll have nice headers
21:28:51 <stoney> the #startmeeting is used to start it
21:29:02 <stoney> I think #endmeeting ends it
21:29:05 <heidie> Yup
21:29:07 <stoney> #chair heidie
21:29:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: heidie stoney
21:29:20 <heidie> And #link adds links to a Links section
21:29:20 <stoney> You can make others chair which allows them to end it
21:29:34 <stoney> this is a good idea in case you crash during a meeting
21:30:12 <stoney> and #info raises something to a bullet point in the abstract minutes... versus the detailed minutes
21:30:17 <heidie> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
21:30:33 <stoney> oh yeah... I forgot to link the adjenda...
21:30:45 * stoney doesn't spell too well
21:30:49 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
21:31:08 <heidie> There are also #action, #agreed, and #rejected
21:31:25 <stoney> not all IRC channels have a meetbot
21:31:46 <stoney> someone has to run one on a server, and have it join a particular channel
21:32:14 <stoney> who was that masked man or woman?
21:32:19 <heidie> :-)
21:32:27 <stoney> still don't know
21:32:51 <stoney> any more meetbot questions?
21:32:57 <heidie> Is this the first time on IRC for everyone?
21:33:02 <poritzj> yes
21:33:08 <Aria> Yes
21:33:19 <heidie> I remember that it feels a bit weird at first.
21:33:22 <daleskrien> Two hours ago was my first time
21:33:35 <stoney> heidie is so much better at being sociable :)
21:33:37 <heidie> Now I work with my IRC window open, attached to teachingopensource and foss2serve
21:33:56 <stoney> ^^^^ See! :)
21:33:56 <heidie> And sometimes people from either community ping me with a question.
21:33:59 <heidie> Or I ping them.
21:34:29 <heidie> glikins is Gina Likins from Red Hat.
21:34:55 <heidie> You'll meet her during stage 2. She and I touch base once a day or so about things like what needs to be done for stage 2.
21:35:26 <heidie> I ping her by typing her name into the bar which alerts her somehow.
21:35:34 <heidie> Could be a ding or might make her screen flash.
21:35:47 <heidie> I'm using hexchat on Fedora 22 and I get a message across the top of my screen.
21:36:14 <stoney> I'm on OSX I use textual 5 (trial)
21:36:15 <heidie> stoney, You're very social! And very, very organized!
21:36:31 <stoney> I have to be... because I don't remember anything
21:36:43 <stoney> I'm a stateless machine
21:36:49 <heidie> So I usually hang out on both  the foss2serve and teachingopensource channels.
21:36:55 <heidie> Feel free to drop in and ask me a question.
21:37:14 <heidie> I may not answer immediately if I'm busy or not at my desk, but it is an easy way to touch base.
21:37:34 <stateless_machin> by the way... when someone has a long name... most clients will let you tab-complete someone's nick
21:37:43 <poritzj> what would be the advantage of that mode of communication over email?
21:37:47 <stateless_machin> so type the first few letters, press tab, and go
21:38:26 <heidie> I use IRC when I need a quick response.
21:38:51 <heidie> IRC is also commonly used in most HFOSS projects.
21:39:00 <stoney> it's the watercooler
21:39:13 <heidie> I started using IRC more because I found that the projects weren't paying attention to my emails but they would respond immediately to my IRC requests.
21:39:18 <heidie> So there is some culture there.
21:39:21 <stoney> also... you can have other applications that broadcast events to an IRC channel
21:39:42 <heidie> IRC also works well when you're trying to problem solve something.
21:39:58 <heidie> Sort of like a phone call, but with lower interaction.
21:40:03 <stoney> also... easy to copy and past things like commands and links
21:40:09 <heidie> Yes, exactly.
21:40:25 <stoney> although... don't do that will large bodies of text (like code)...
21:40:39 <heidie> Yes, bitbucket is better for bodies of text.
21:40:51 <heidie> And it is convention to use bitbucket and then include a link to the bucket.
21:40:58 * stoney can't remember the tool
21:41:08 <stoney> not bitbucket... what's the other one
21:41:10 <stoney> pastbin!
21:41:15 <heidie> Right!
21:41:20 <stoney> http://pastebin.com/
21:41:25 <stoney> #link http://pastebin.com/
21:41:46 <heidie> The other advantage of IRC is that with a meetbot, the results can be formatted to look like meeting notes.
21:41:58 <stoney> so you can past code into that... get the link, and then paste the link into here
21:42:13 * stoney hates taking notes
21:42:23 * stoney loves meetbot taking notes
21:43:01 * stoney thinks he shouldn't refer to himself in the 3rd person so much
21:43:26 <stoney> should we talk about HFOSS projects now?
21:43:34 <heidie> So here are the notes from the meeting earlier today:
21:43:36 <heidie> #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2016-05-03/irc_1.2016-05-03-19.02.html
21:43:45 <heidie> Sure, that would be good.
21:43:56 * heidie hands the token to stoney
21:44:06 <stoney> Notice that you get a high score for talking alot
21:44:16 <stoney> so talk a lot a lot
21:44:27 <stoney> #topic HFOSS Projects
21:44:48 <stoney> OK, so what do we do here heidie
21:44:55 * stoney hands token right back
21:44:57 <stoney> :)
21:45:18 <heidie> The goal of this part of the conversation is to answer any questions that people may have about particular projects.
21:45:25 <heidie> To begin, have you all had a chance to look at the projects?
21:46:00 <Aria> I have looked at the descriptions, yes.
21:46:03 <poritzj> yes, the info on the web POSSE web page
21:46:25 <heidie> Do you have any questions about any of the projects?
21:47:19 <Aria> Are those the projects that we will be working with, or will we be looking at other ones?
21:48:04 <stoney> Those are the HFOSS projects that our group and POSSE alum have had the most success with
21:48:16 <heidie> The ones listed are projects that foss2serve folks have worked on.
21:48:22 <stoney> so those are the ones that we focus on
21:48:26 <heidie> However, we are open to other ones.
21:48:36 <stoney> just what I was going to say :)
21:48:47 <heidie> One thing we are hoping is to have a group of faculty members working together on a project.
21:48:51 <Aria> I ask just because I am interested in some specific issues, but do not know if there are HFOSS projects out there for the issues.
21:48:52 <stoney> right... they should be clearly humanitarian though
21:48:57 <heidie> We have found that having a group of peers to ask questions to is helpful.
21:49:27 * heidie is looking for the link to the list of HFOSS projects....
21:50:10 <stoney> Aria, what's the issue that you are interested in
21:50:11 <stoney> ?
21:50:15 <heidie> Aria, you could start looking here
21:50:17 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects
21:50:57 <stoney> Wow, I don't remember seeing that list before!
21:51:08 <stoney> Great list! :)
21:51:12 <heidie> stoney, That list is fairly new. kevin-brown updated it.
21:51:22 <poritzj> that seems like a new list, not the one I saw before....
21:51:41 <daleskrien> The shorter list is at http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
21:51:44 <stoney> that kevin-brown guy rocks!
21:51:55 <Aria> Thanks for the link! I am particularly interested in open education and open data and how one (or both) pertain to participatory democracy/citizenship, community empowerment and transformation …
21:52:20 <heidie> poritzj, You may be thinking of the suggested communities:
21:52:22 <heidie> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
21:52:47 <Aria> Oh wow, quick glance at the list and there are lots of interesting projects!
21:53:03 <heidie> Aria, if you send me an email, I'll put you in contact with a woman who has extensive experience in humanitarian open data.
21:53:13 <poritzj> @heidie yes, that's it
21:53:21 <heidie> Sara Terp used to work on Ushahidi and is now at Thoughtworks.
21:53:35 <stoney> btw... don't post your email here
21:53:39 <heidie> She spent years working at the United Nations on humantiarian open data.
21:54:11 <Aria> Oh great, thank you heidie! I have a law background as well so very interested in social justice.
21:54:19 <stoney> since the minutes will be posted on-line... avoid putting emails in here
21:54:51 <stoney> good stuff... making connections already!
21:54:58 <heidie> Right!
21:54:59 <heidie> Cool!
21:55:18 <stoney> more questions on HFOSS projects?
21:55:32 * heidie looks at the clock and notes that we have 5 minutes left
21:55:38 <stoney> ack
21:56:17 <stoney> looks like we're at the end of the agenda anyway
21:56:46 <stoney> I'm not sure what "Good to the order" means
21:56:46 <Aria> Really nice to meet you all! Looking forward to June :-)
21:56:49 <heidie> To reprise, the idea behind the projects is to try to organize groups of faculty working on projects so that there is a faculty community around a project.
21:56:53 <heidie> Yes! me too!
21:57:01 <stoney> Good meet all of you.
21:57:07 <poritzj> likewise
21:57:09 <stoney> Can't wait to meet you all in person
21:57:14 <heidie> And thank you all for coming!
21:57:20 <stoney> I'll end the meeting
21:57:25 <stoney> #endmeeting