15:01:01 <stoney> #startmeeting IRC 2
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15:01:15 <stoney> #topic rollcall
15:01:34 <stewart___> Hello everyone
15:01:37 <stoney> Please give a quick shout out if you are present, with your name :)
15:01:44 <stoney> #info stoney here
15:01:52 <germinalisern> Hi everyone
15:01:52 <stoney> like that
15:02:01 <mss> Michael Skalak
15:02:04 <stewart___> #info Stewart here
15:02:08 <heidi> #info Heidi Ellis here.
15:02:09 <43UAAJM1R> #info Grant Braught here
15:02:12 <mss> #info Michael Skalak
15:02:18 <germinalisern> #info Germinal Isern here
15:02:20 <ghislop> #info Greg here... but have to leave shortly.... just wanted to say "hi"...
15:02:28 <stoney> you all are good :)
15:03:13 <stoney> hi RonM , we are doing rollcall, please give a quick: #info <your_name> here
15:03:37 <stoney> braughtg that's much better than 43UAAJM1R :)
15:03:51 <braughtg> yes... client seemed to come up with that one on its own.
15:03:57 <RonM> #info Ron McCleary here
15:04:08 <stoney> Awesome RonM , thanks :)
15:04:12 <stoney> anyone else?
15:04:20 <heidi> chelociraptor, are you with us?
15:04:35 <heidi> dzho, Would you like to introduce yourself?
15:05:29 <stoney> hm... maybe grabbing some coffee :)
15:05:31 <chelociraptor> Chelsea Lobdell!
15:05:39 <stoney> aha! welcome!
15:06:25 <stoney> ok... dzho if you come in late, please info up your name: #info <your_name> here
15:06:38 <heidi> Welcome chelociraptor
15:06:39 <heidi> !
15:06:43 <stoney> #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities#Part_C:_Third_Two_Weeks
15:06:49 <chelociraptor> Thanks :)
15:06:51 <stoney> That's our agenda for today
15:07:00 <stoney> and that's where you can find our minutes later
15:07:13 <heidi> Hi poritzj
15:07:14 <stoney> oopps
15:07:18 <heidi> We're just doing intros
15:07:19 <stoney> no it's not
15:07:34 <stoney> #link Agenda REAL: http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
15:07:45 <stoney> there is the real agenda
15:07:47 <heidi> poritzj, using the #info tag :-)
15:08:13 <poritzj> #info sorry, running late, this is Jonathan Poritz, from Colorado State University - Pueblo
15:08:23 <stoney> Awesome, welcome poritzj !
15:08:50 <stoney> so we know everyone but dzho, yes?
15:09:15 <stoney> #topic POSSE Stage 1 updates
15:09:27 <heidi> How are folks coming on the Stage 1 exercises?
15:09:56 <germinalisern> So far so good, Part A done, Part B 50%
15:10:00 * heidi notes that kevin-brown is a student and long-time member of the foss2serve community.
15:10:03 <braughtg> Moving along... just started the Project Evaluation this morning.
15:10:05 <heidi> Good!
15:10:13 <heidi> Ah, a note about Project Evaluation.
15:10:26 <heidi> You can spend a *lot* of time on that activity.
15:10:41 <braughtg> I'll try to keep it under control :)
15:10:44 <heidi> We don't expect you to be able to find everything. So timebox your work there.
15:10:55 <heidi> Of course we would never restrict learning! ;-)
15:10:57 <stewart___> Tell me about it! I found the time estimates were underestimates.
15:11:03 <heidi> But don't spend more than an hour on that.
15:11:06 <germinalisern> OK good to know....
15:11:09 <heidi> Yes.
15:11:15 <chelociraptor> I spent a good deal of time during the Project Evaluation trying to find good search terms that would help me better answer the rest of the questions
15:11:23 <heidi> And the estimates are there to give you an idea of how long you should spend.
15:11:42 <heidi> All of the activities may take more time, depending on the depth in which you go.
15:11:58 <stewart___> I did learn quite a bit doing the project evaluation, so it was time well spent.
15:11:59 <stoney> right, so reign in the perfectionist :)
15:12:04 <heidi> The idea is to get an understanding of the topic before the Stage 2 meeting, not to become expert.
15:12:14 <heidi> Yes, right. :-)
15:12:15 <stoney> awesome stewart___ !
15:12:52 <stewart___> I have finished all but the FOSS in Course Planning and posting to my blog, which I created.
15:12:58 <heidi> Did anyone have any questions an any particular activity?
15:13:05 <heidi> Super stewart___ !
15:13:11 <stoney> very cool!
15:13:51 <germinalisern> Not now, maybe later during the week...
15:14:00 <poritzj> hmm, no direct Qs, finding lots of rabbit holes to go down in the project evaluation
15:14:13 <braughtg> Are the videos for the project evaluation something anyone has used with students? Or is there another intro that they might use?
15:14:44 <stewart___> I did. There was one question to compute the 12-month average of commits. I was a bit confused - average meaning commits per month, or commits per person? I think per month makes more sense, right?
15:14:45 <stoney> yes, rabbit holes aplenty
15:15:14 <heidi> braughtg, project evaluation is difficult
15:15:44 <heidi> There is an activity on foss2serve that provides students with a higher-level overview
15:15:46 * heidi looks
15:16:56 <heidi> braughtg, I do this one with students to get them started:
15:17:00 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/FOSS_Field_Trip_Activity
15:17:02 <stoney> stewart___ Yes, commits per mont sounds right
15:17:07 <braughtg> heidi, yes, but also seems critical.
15:17:34 <heidi> jmac, and Tony_Sena Welcome! Would you like to introduce yourselves?
15:17:37 <stoney> stewart___the goal is probably to get a sense for how much activity is going on in a project
15:17:49 <heidi> braughtg, Not sure what you mean by "critical"?
15:18:16 <braughtg> heidi, critical to the students' experiences
15:18:16 <stewart___> stoney, thanks. That's what seemed to make sense to me.
15:18:18 <jmac> hi folks, sorry to join late -- travelling in UK at present -- just returned from visiting a potential school for the kids
15:18:34 <heidi> jmac, Oh, what an adventure!
15:19:59 <Tony_Sena> Hi, I'm Tony Sena from MassBay Comunity College. Sorry for being late but my IRC client was not working. I could not see anybody and i have to restart it
15:20:17 <stoney> hi Tony_Sena !
15:20:22 <heidi> Welcome Tony_Sena !
15:20:54 <stoney> jmac and Tony_Sena, how have you been doing on stage 1 activities? Any questions?
15:22:38 <jmac> I completed the activities fine. I chose the sugar labs project. One important distinction there is choosing between students designing new sugar labs activities, and actually working on the infrastructure.
15:23:03 <stoney> good stuff!
15:23:10 <stewart___> I do have one more question. At the bottom of http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Project_Evaluation_Activity  it says under Deliverables, "Wiki posting of evaluation of a project from the list of HFOSS projects". Do we also have to evaluate another project besides OpenMRS?
15:23:24 <Tony_Sena> For far so good. I'm done with Part B (1. FOSS Field trip) and working on 2 and 3.
15:23:30 <jmac> The RIT course provides useful approaches for some of the sugar labs stuff.
15:23:34 * heidi looks at stewart___ 's question.
15:24:23 <stoney> Tony_Sena: Great!
15:24:56 <stoney> jmac I'm not as familiar with sugar labs, sounds interesting though!
15:25:24 <heidi> Hmmm, the original intent of the Project Evaluation activity was to practice on OpenMRS and then try it on your own.
15:25:30 <heidi> But that would take a long time.
15:25:46 <heidi> Why don't you just summarize your experience in evaluating OpenMRS if that is easier.
15:26:46 <stewart___> OK. If there is time, I will try another, but for now I will just post the OpenMRS summary to the blog, as indicated.
15:26:46 <stoney> OK... are we ready for the next agenda item, stage 2?
15:27:16 <stoney> #topic Stage 2
15:27:19 <stewart___> stoney, yes.
15:27:28 <stoney> :)
15:28:35 <stoney> Are there any questions about Stage 2?
15:28:47 <stoney> heidi are there any announcements we need to make?
15:29:09 <heidi> stoney, I don't think so. Everyone should have made their travel arrangements.
15:29:14 <heidi> And we have made hotel arrangements.
15:29:31 <stoney> what's the dress for stage 2?
15:30:09 <poritzj> (everyone must come dressed either as Tux or GNU..?)
15:30:23 <stoney> poritzj love it!
15:30:36 <stoney> I want yack horns
15:30:54 <stewart___> yacc horns
15:31:10 <stoney> right... I didn't spell it right, either way :)
15:31:24 <poritzj> (ok, I want emacs horns....)
15:31:25 <stoney> lex horns?
15:31:41 <stoney> antlr :)
15:31:49 <stoney> ok... enough of the parser jokes :)
15:32:03 <stoney> I'm pretty sure we're casual
15:32:14 <stoney> ... for dress that is
15:33:10 <poritzj> ... actually, I assume we would all do this anyway, but we should make sure we bring a laptop with our favorite environment for on-site work, yes?
15:33:25 <stoney> yes, do bring laptops
15:33:30 <stewart___> poritz, my thoughts too.
15:34:35 <stewart___> Will there be sufficient power outlets for running on AC for everyone in the 014 room?
15:34:45 <chelociraptor> Has anyone planned for some post POSSE social activities?
15:35:48 <mss> lan party?
15:35:51 <poritzj> stewart__, also enough wifi bandwidth?
15:35:54 <heidi> chelociraptor, We usually have an informal get together at least one of the evenings.
15:35:54 <stoney> chelociraptor I believe there are some social events
15:36:01 <stoney> there we go :)
15:36:21 <heidi> And we have one dinner in a restaurant.
15:36:44 <chelociraptor> Great! I'm a Philly native so let me know if you need any suggestions
15:36:53 <braughtg> sounds good... looking forward to some local philly flavor
15:37:13 <stoney> We should have plenty of power and wifi; but that would be a question for ghislop
15:38:14 <ghislop> wifi is generally OK in the room where we'll be.  Power is limited but we'll run some power strips...
15:38:25 <poritzj> how about a key-signing party, as a post-POSSE social activity?
15:38:36 <stewart___> ghislop, thanks
15:39:04 <poritzj> (I'm thinking of requiring all of my students to send encrypted and/or signed email in the future, just as a way to make them learn how)
15:39:08 <tomnaps> Tom Naps joining from UW oshkosh -- sorry to be late, got confused on times.
15:39:15 <stoney> poritzj that would rock... I've never done key signing... but always wanted to
15:39:32 <stoney> tomnaps welcome!
15:40:28 <stoney> tomnaps folks have given a quick report on their progress through stage 1, and have asked various questions about stage 1. These will be in the minutes. We are now discussing Stage 2.
15:40:55 <tomnaps> OK, will listen and try to catch up as best as I can
15:41:32 <stoney> heidi: do you want to say a bit about "inform participants about signing up for stage 2 groups"
15:41:33 <stoney> ?
15:42:02 <heidi> Ummm, sure?
15:42:17 <stoney> Or did I just handle that? :)
15:42:55 <heidi> Possibly?  The idea is that we'd like folks to decide on a project. Not for life, but to commit as far as to investigate it.
15:43:16 <chelociraptor> Where do we go to sign up for groups?
15:43:20 <heidi> And you may change projects, but the idea is for a group of faculty members to work jointly on a project to provide a community of peers.
15:43:25 * heidi looks
15:44:33 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
15:44:37 <stewart___> So committing to a Stage 2 project group does not imply that we would need to follow through with that project in Stage 3?
15:44:42 <heidi> Nope.
15:44:55 <heidi> stewart___, We have found that folks change projects during stage 2.
15:45:10 <heidi> Due to project direction, collaborators, and other factors.
15:45:17 <chelociraptor> Thanks!
15:46:14 <stewart___> heidi, the link you just sent is different from the link in http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups. E.g., Sahana is in the communities page but not in the Stage 2 page. Which list should we follow?
15:46:44 <heidi> Whoops! stewart___ has the right link.
15:47:03 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
15:47:08 <stewart___> Oh, ok.
15:50:16 <stoney> so it looks like we are at the end of our agenda
15:50:26 <stoney> #topic open discussion
15:50:47 <stoney> Is there anything else anyone would like to ask or talk about ?
15:50:59 <poritzj> nope, all good -- looking forward to Philly!
15:51:12 <heidi> We are too!
15:51:20 <stoney> absoluetly!
15:51:23 <germinalisern> No, see you soon
15:51:26 <chelociraptor> Thanks for all the info today. Looking forward to POSSE!
15:51:31 <heidi> It is always fun to get to meet everyone face-to-face and see what they've been doing!
15:51:34 <RonM> Nothing for me at the moment.
15:51:46 <Tony_Sena> I'm ok. Thanks
15:51:55 <mss> i'm good, just got to finish the stuff
15:52:07 <tomnaps> I'll read the minutes to catch up and will sign up for OpenMRS in Stage 2 -- that's a project I just finished using in my Software Engineering course
15:52:07 <stoney> OK... then I'll take those as a motion and vote to adjourn :)
15:52:07 <stewart___> I still am a bit confused about the Communites page versus the Stage 2 page.  People have signed up for the different projects in the communities page, independent of the Stage 2 page. What does that mean?
15:52:16 <stoney> oh wait
15:52:29 <heidi> stewart___, It means that we've got duplicate pages :-)
15:52:48 <heidi> In true wiki fashion, we started with the "HFOSS Communities" page and then migrated to the other one.
15:53:11 <stewart___> So if people signed up for Sahana for example, do they have to remove themselves and pick a project on Stage 2?
15:53:12 <heidi> We wanted the ability to organize teams based not only on project, but also teaching focus.
15:53:16 <heidi> Nope.
15:53:30 <heidi> We will sort this all out when we meet for stage 2
15:53:39 <stewart___> OK
15:54:16 <stoney> awesome question
15:54:42 <stoney> #endmeeting