15:00:03 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 1
15:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct  4 15:00:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_1'
15:00:09 <stoney> absolutely
15:00:29 <jadudm> I concur.
15:00:38 <stoney> definately
15:00:51 <jadudm> zodbot: run the karaoke machine.
15:01:03 <stoney> I don't think it has that command
15:01:05 <stoney> :)
15:01:11 <stoney> OK, welcome all!
15:01:19 <stoney> I started the meetbot... that's zodbot
15:01:29 <stoney> It will record what we "say" here
15:01:50 <stoney> And it will post minutes later which I'll link into our agenda page
15:01:57 <stoney> speaking of which...
15:02:10 <stoney> #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
15:02:25 <stoney> That's a link to the agenda for this meeting
15:02:36 <stoney> First item... introductions
15:02:42 <stoney> #topic Introductions
15:03:15 <stoney> So please introduce your self with a brief statement about yourself.... I'll go first to model :)
15:03:27 <stoney> Hi, I'm Stoney Jackson. I'm from Western New England University. I'm a member of the POSSE organizing team. I love software development tools and POGIL. I have used MouseTrap in a project-based course.
15:03:43 <darci> Hi! Darci Burdge from Nassau Community College. I am a member of the foss2serve team. And FYI...I have to leave around 11:30 today for a department meeting...sorry!
15:03:46 <heidie> Heidi Ellis, prof at Western New England University and proud to be Stoney's colleague. Also a foss2serve team member.
15:03:56 <stoney> Feel free to fire when ready... no need to wait :)
15:03:57 <heidie> Also proud to be Darci's colleague!
15:04:04 <darci> :)
15:04:14 <darci> Ditto!
15:04:53 <nanette> Nanette Veilleux, Professor at Simmons College. Ran an HFOSS as a senior seminar last year.
15:04:57 <pearcej> Hi I am Jan Pearce, prof at Berea College. I am eager to involve students in open source projects.
15:04:58 <stoney> I'm proud too, I'm proud too!
15:05:05 <whe> Hi, I'm Wu He. I'm from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. I teach programming and web development in the department of information technology.
15:05:07 <jadudm> Matt Jadud, faculty at Berea College. I have no administrative duties in this group, and have worked with CodeWorkout, Octoprint, and… THE TRANSTERPETER with students.
15:05:19 <nanette> I'm proud, too proud.
15:05:50 <heidie> Folks, I'm going to skip out for 5-10. I'll ping when back.
15:05:52 <stoney> TRANTERPRETER?!?!
15:06:03 <jadudm> Possibly one of the most amazing software projects EVER.
15:06:10 <jadudm> http://transterpreter.org/
15:06:19 <jadudm> Love it. Use it. Contribute.
15:06:19 <stoney> aha... just found it :)
15:06:26 <stoney> cool
15:06:33 <jadudm> (It was an act of desperation, actually.)
15:06:44 <stoney> whe love web development
15:07:01 <nanette> Yes, looks cool
15:07:07 <stoney> *whe: I love web development
15:07:15 <nanette> http://www.transterpreter.org/
15:07:43 <jadudm> Old Dominion University
15:07:47 <jadudm> Oops.
15:07:56 <jadudm> It turns out that CMD-T does not open a browser window in my IRC client...
15:07:57 <stoney> you can elevate it to the minutes by starting your line with #link http:... which zodbot will note under the links section.
15:07:58 <darci> cool!
15:08:13 <whe> *stonney: great!
15:08:37 <stoney> oh... and the * before a line indicates to others that you are making a correction to a previous statement
15:08:53 <whe> I see. Thanks!
15:08:54 <stoney> so has everyone introduced themselves?
15:09:15 <darci> I think so...
15:09:34 <stoney> Yup... by my calculations too...
15:09:37 <stoney> So moving on...
15:09:55 <stoney> #topic Discussion of IRC basic features
15:10:23 <stoney> Feel free to try out some of the commands we talk about as we go
15:10:35 <stoney> As I mentioned we have a meetbot running
15:10:55 <stoney> it responds to a specific set of commands that start with #
15:11:29 <stoney> when I started the meeting, zodbot announced some useful ones: #topic, #link, etc.
15:11:46 <stoney> Some can be used by anyone, some only by a chair
15:12:15 <stoney> speaking of which, I should make some other chairs, incase I'm hit by a bus, someone else can conduct the meeting
15:12:23 <stoney> #chair heidie
15:12:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: heidie stoney
15:12:28 <darci> I vote for anyone!
15:12:28 <stoney> #chair darci
15:12:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: darci heidie stoney
15:12:43 <stoney> :)
15:12:45 <anyone> Indeed… anyone can use some commands.
15:12:55 <jadudm> I just used the /nick command.
15:13:10 <jadudm> It lets me change my nickname. I think it is traditionally annoying and juvenile, but I did it for pedagogic purposes.
15:13:12 <jadudm> :D
15:13:13 <stoney> perfect... jadudm demonstrated how to change your nickname!
15:13:18 * darci laughing
15:13:28 <stoney> we forgive you :)
15:13:30 <nanette> :D
15:13:47 <darci> And I used the /me command
15:13:54 <stoney> although it's common to add _ or _afk to the end of your nickname if you are away from your keyboard
15:14:06 <stoney_> like that
15:14:16 <stoney> ls
15:14:19 <stoney> oops :)
15:14:25 <stoney> linux sliping in there :)
15:14:49 * nanette testing
15:14:50 <stoney> right so /me is used to emote
15:15:06 <stoney> right... its intended as an action
15:15:12 * stoney is feeling excited
15:15:15 <nanette> \me is amzed at how much one forgets in a year
15:15:26 <stoney> Or like talking about yourself in the third person
15:15:27 <nanette> \me hmmm
15:15:31 <stoney> forward slash /
15:15:39 * jadudm uses the other slash.
15:15:40 * nanette says ///
15:15:54 <stoney> you got it
15:15:59 <nanette> saturday night fever not matador
15:16:11 * jadudm is confused, but grabs some bell bottoms.
15:16:31 <heidie> Back!
15:17:09 * heidie reads back to get caught up on the conversation
15:17:13 <stoney> other commands... /away and /back should do something to indicate you are away from your keyboard or back.... i don't normally use... trying
15:17:41 <stoney_> ok it won't let me come back :(
15:17:54 <jadudm> Away only said I have returned from away.
15:17:55 <stoney> So /away worked
15:18:06 <jadudm> asd
15:18:13 <stoney> ah... so use /away twice? it's a toggle?
15:18:20 <jadudm> No, I returned twice.
15:18:35 <jadudm> I think I’m about to be eaten by a grue.
15:18:39 * heidie wonders about virtual exits....
15:18:40 <stoney> seems to toggle mine
15:19:02 <jadudm> could be my client.
15:19:19 <stoney> right... might be interpreted by client
15:19:19 <darci> I'm using Chatzilla. Those who are marked as away appear grayed and in italics.
15:19:47 <stoney> if you mention someone in your text clients usually beep or flash
15:19:56 <stoney> some call this pinging someone
15:20:01 <darci> stoney: it looks like you are still away
15:20:06 <stoney> it's a good way to get someones attention if they are away
15:20:11 <stoney> really!?!
15:20:15 <pearcej> humm... /away seems to only indicate that I am no longer marked as being away... puzzling.
15:20:16 <stoney> not on my end
15:20:34 <stoney> darci I just issued /back... did that fix?
15:21:08 <darci> yep!
15:21:09 <stoney> and putting someone's name first also works to indicate who you are talking to
15:21:25 <stoney> OK then... I'm learning a lot about /away and /back
15:21:38 <pearcej> jadudm - do you get flashing?
15:21:39 <darci> You can also type the first few letters of someones nick and then hit the tab key to complete the nic
15:21:45 <stoney> so I think we covered the list
15:21:56 <stoney> questions about IRC?
15:22:06 <stoney> yes tab completion is handy
15:22:20 <jadudm> pearcej: erm… no? But, again, I’m cheating, and using a Mac native IRC client, so it tends to do weird things. I should just use something simpler.
15:22:29 <jadudm> pearcej: I do get highlights when someone mentions my name.
15:22:34 <pearcej> oooh! I get a beep!
15:22:34 <nanette> does it complete anything besides nic s?
15:22:48 <jadudm> I get tab completion on commands
15:22:59 <pearcej> jadudm... yes, and red highlights
15:23:04 <stoney> jadudm I use Textual trial ed.   .... I've also tried colloquy (sp?)
15:23:09 <darci> Me too!
15:23:16 <jadudm> Using Colloquy… spelling also ?
15:23:18 <heidie> I'm using hexchat.
15:23:24 <jadudm> heidie: hardcore.
15:23:30 <nanette> me to. hexchat
15:23:34 <stoney> right now... I'm using textual
15:23:35 <nanette> *too
15:23:47 <heidie> And I've been entirely on Linux since January!
15:23:51 <stoney> #linke Colloquy http://colloquy.info/
15:23:58 <whe> i am using hexchat
15:23:59 * heidie high 5's nanette
15:24:07 <stoney> #link Colloquy http://colloquy.info/
15:24:08 <heidie> whe, Cool!
15:24:25 <stoney> #link Textual https://www.codeux.com/textual/
15:24:27 <nanette> yes, highlights when I'm mentioned. thanks
15:24:33 <jadudm> who!
15:24:40 <jadudm> whoo! /google actually works in my client!
15:24:45 <stoney> interesting
15:24:50 * stoney tries /goolge
15:25:07 <stoney> didn't work for me
15:25:10 <darci> What is /google supposed to do?
15:25:15 <darci> It didn't work for me either.
15:25:15 <stoney> I assume search
15:25:25 <jadudm> My client pops open a browser window and does a google search.
15:25:26 <stoney> probably launch a browser?
15:25:28 <stoney> right :)
15:25:31 <jadudm> Again, it’s a Mac-native client, so it does whizzy things.
15:25:43 <stoney> might have to take a look at it
15:25:50 <nanette> would it be sacrilegious to wonder why we don't use gitter.im or slack? Is it bc of all these other features?
15:26:20 <nanette> /google does nada for me
15:26:38 <jadudm> nanette: good choice of word…
15:26:52 * jadudm feels an essay prompt coming on…
15:26:55 <nanette> had to spell check it
15:27:09 <stoney> nanette some reasons: 1) we prefer to support open source,  2) momentum (lots of open source communities use IRC)
15:27:48 <nanette> I ask bc the OS community we investigated last year did use gitter
15:27:54 <nanette> mifos
15:28:13 <stoney> right... so some HFOSS projects will choose to use other tools
15:28:20 <stoney> then you should go with that :)
15:28:27 <nanette> but I retract the question...was just wondering
15:28:42 <stoney> it's a good question... no need to retract :)
15:28:55 <stoney> Ok... we should probably push to next topic
15:29:08 <stoney> #topic Discussion of HFOSS projects
15:29:11 <darci> Sorry folks, gotta go to a department meeting. Bye!
15:29:17 <stoney> bye darci
15:29:23 * jadudm loves meetings.
15:29:26 <heidie> Bye darci
15:29:34 <heidie> jadudm, you can go to all of my meetings in the future!
15:29:44 * jadudm wiggles with excitement.
15:29:52 <stoney> So have folks had a chance to look at some HFOSS projects?
15:30:00 <stoney> any thoughts or questions about them?
15:30:49 <nanette> after having tried this once, I think understanding the on ramp for various projects is really important
15:31:08 <stoney> right... and they vary from project to project
15:31:12 <jadudm> Yep.
15:31:31 <jadudm> And, oddly, I’ve had better luck with *smaller* projects (that have less-clear onramping), because the community is tighter and more passionate.
15:31:50 <nanette> I found something strange: we had local firewalls -- but that's a separate issue
15:31:51 <jadudm> Whereas some larger projects have great onboarding docs and process… but, don’t actually handle the process well, because they’re too big, or… something.
15:31:53 <stoney> that's an interesting insight
15:31:57 <stoney> I could see that
15:32:20 <jadudm> (Both Karl W. and I had challenges with the same project last spring.)
15:32:35 <nanette> I think you need to look at recent chatter -- what project did you have challenges?
15:32:46 <jadudm> Open MRS.
15:32:50 <stoney> nanette right, it might be hard to engage technologically speaking if your school has stringent controls on the network
15:33:00 <nanette> we had challenges with mifos ...
15:33:11 <jadudm> It was unclear… if they were between versions, or what. But, we could not get build environments set up even if it had meant (no pun intended) saving lives.
15:33:26 <jadudm> http://mifos.org/ ?
15:33:36 <nanette> yes, the firewall thing is not something they disclose transparently
15:34:10 <nanette> yep
15:34:31 <nanette> build environmetns were tough -- we had multiple platforms too
15:34:54 <jadudm> multiple build platforms are *so* difficult. they’re a project unto themselves.
15:35:07 <nanette> but honestly, sometimes I think it was just intermittant network connections
15:35:13 <nanette> kills you in a big download
15:35:14 <stoney> yes... MouseTrap ran into the platform issue
15:35:37 <jadudm> in those cases, I wish that the projects provided a “build VM” that you could run in virtualbox.
15:35:38 <stoney> very hard to test and develop with multiple platforms in mind
15:35:39 <jadudm> or, something.
15:35:54 <stoney> right... and MouseTrap doesn't do well in a VM :(
15:36:10 <stoney> drivers, web-cam thingy
15:36:11 <nanette> we are using vm's on most of our machines so a vm in a vm is an issue
15:36:31 <stoney> oh interesting
15:36:42 <stoney> the vm in a vm issue
15:37:08 <stoney> whe or pearcej any questions or thoughts about HFOSS projects?
15:37:35 * pearcej feeling overwhelmed.  advice for getting started?
15:38:17 <stoney> let's see... I think Lori had some good advice in yesterday's IRC meeting... digging ...
15:38:48 <jadudm> pearcej: attend a POSSE?
15:38:54 * jadudm ducks
15:39:08 <stoney> <lorip> Things to consider: student background, level of involvement, language, just to mention a few
15:39:11 <pearcej> jadudm ha ha! will do!
15:39:21 <nanette> \me gotta go: dentist (possibly only thing worse than a dept mtg)
15:39:22 <whe> Me too. I may need to get my TA to attend a POSSE too later
15:39:33 <stoney> And then start evaluating project against that
15:39:42 <nanette> \away
15:39:48 <stoney> also... start talking to folks
15:40:01 <stoney> especially those who have tried using in their classes before
15:40:36 <stoney> and like others have said... attend a POSSE and form connections :)
15:41:07 <stoney> you don't have to have a project selected right now... we just want you to start thinking about and looking at them
15:41:14 <stoney> bye nanette
15:41:22 * stoney is a little slow sometimes
15:42:26 <stoney> So there is only one more agenda item... but I don't understand what "Good of the order" means
15:42:32 <stoney> anyone else? :)
15:43:38 <stoney> Ok... so things have slowed... so let's wrap up
15:43:42 <stoney> #topic Wrap up
15:43:52 <stoney> Any last minute burning questions?
15:44:34 <jadudm> nope.
15:44:36 <stoney> After I close the meeting... I'll post a link to our minutes at the bottom of the agenda
15:44:44 <stoney> Okie dokie
15:45:00 <whe> cool
15:45:14 <stoney> Alright... thanks all for attending
15:45:18 <jadudm> thank you all!
15:45:19 <stoney> Talk to you soon!
15:45:23 <stoney> #endmeeting