15:00:03 #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 1 15:00:03 Meeting started Tue Oct 4 15:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_1' 15:00:09 absolutely 15:00:29 I concur. 15:00:38 definately 15:00:51 zodbot: run the karaoke machine. 15:01:03 I don't think it has that command 15:01:05 :) 15:01:11 OK, welcome all! 15:01:19 I started the meetbot... that's zodbot 15:01:29 It will record what we "say" here 15:01:50 And it will post minutes later which I'll link into our agenda page 15:01:57 speaking of which... 15:02:10 #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 15:02:25 That's a link to the agenda for this meeting 15:02:36 First item... introductions 15:02:42 #topic Introductions 15:03:15 So please introduce your self with a brief statement about yourself.... I'll go first to model :) 15:03:27 Hi, I'm Stoney Jackson. I'm from Western New England University. I'm a member of the POSSE organizing team. I love software development tools and POGIL. I have used MouseTrap in a project-based course. 15:03:43 Hi! Darci Burdge from Nassau Community College. I am a member of the foss2serve team. And FYI...I have to leave around 11:30 today for a department meeting...sorry! 15:03:46 Heidi Ellis, prof at Western New England University and proud to be Stoney's colleague. Also a foss2serve team member. 15:03:56 Feel free to fire when ready... no need to wait :) 15:03:57 Also proud to be Darci's colleague! 15:04:04 :) 15:04:14 Ditto! 15:04:53 Nanette Veilleux, Professor at Simmons College. Ran an HFOSS as a senior seminar last year. 15:04:57 Hi I am Jan Pearce, prof at Berea College. I am eager to involve students in open source projects. 15:04:58 I'm proud too, I'm proud too! 15:05:05 Hi, I'm Wu He. I'm from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. I teach programming and web development in the department of information technology. 15:05:07 Matt Jadud, faculty at Berea College. I have no administrative duties in this group, and have worked with CodeWorkout, Octoprint, and… THE TRANSTERPETER with students. 15:05:19 I'm proud, too proud. 15:05:50 Folks, I'm going to skip out for 5-10. I'll ping when back. 15:05:52 TRANTERPRETER?!?! 15:06:03 Possibly one of the most amazing software projects EVER. 15:06:10 http://transterpreter.org/ 15:06:19 Love it. Use it. Contribute. 15:06:19 aha... just found it :) 15:06:26 cool 15:06:33 (It was an act of desperation, actually.) 15:06:44 whe love web development 15:07:01 Yes, looks cool 15:07:07 *whe: I love web development 15:07:15 http://www.transterpreter.org/ 15:07:43 Old Dominion University 15:07:47 Oops. 15:07:56 It turns out that CMD-T does not open a browser window in my IRC client... 15:07:57 you can elevate it to the minutes by starting your line with #link http:... which zodbot will note under the links section. 15:07:58 cool! 15:08:13 *stonney: great! 15:08:37 oh... and the * before a line indicates to others that you are making a correction to a previous statement 15:08:53 I see. Thanks! 15:08:54 so has everyone introduced themselves? 15:09:15 I think so... 15:09:34 Yup... by my calculations too... 15:09:37 So moving on... 15:09:55 #topic Discussion of IRC basic features 15:10:23 Feel free to try out some of the commands we talk about as we go 15:10:35 As I mentioned we have a meetbot running 15:10:55 it responds to a specific set of commands that start with # 15:11:29 when I started the meeting, zodbot announced some useful ones: #topic, #link, etc. 15:11:46 Some can be used by anyone, some only by a chair 15:12:15 speaking of which, I should make some other chairs, incase I'm hit by a bus, someone else can conduct the meeting 15:12:23 #chair heidie 15:12:23 Current chairs: heidie stoney 15:12:28 I vote for anyone! 15:12:28 #chair darci 15:12:28 Current chairs: darci heidie stoney 15:12:43 :) 15:12:45 Indeed… anyone can use some commands. 15:12:55 I just used the /nick command. 15:13:10 It lets me change my nickname. I think it is traditionally annoying and juvenile, but I did it for pedagogic purposes. 15:13:12 :D 15:13:13 perfect... jadudm demonstrated how to change your nickname! 15:13:18 * darci laughing 15:13:28 we forgive you :) 15:13:30 :D 15:13:47 And I used the /me command 15:13:54 although it's common to add _ or _afk to the end of your nickname if you are away from your keyboard 15:14:06 like that 15:14:16 ls 15:14:19 oops :) 15:14:25 linux sliping in there :) 15:14:49 * nanette testing 15:14:50 right so /me is used to emote 15:15:06 right... its intended as an action 15:15:12 * stoney is feeling excited 15:15:15 \me is amzed at how much one forgets in a year 15:15:26 Or like talking about yourself in the third person 15:15:27 \me hmmm 15:15:31 forward slash / 15:15:39 * jadudm uses the other slash. 15:15:40 * nanette says /// 15:15:54 you got it 15:15:59 saturday night fever not matador 15:16:11 * jadudm is confused, but grabs some bell bottoms. 15:16:31 Back! 15:17:09 * heidie reads back to get caught up on the conversation 15:17:13 other commands... /away and /back should do something to indicate you are away from your keyboard or back.... i don't normally use... trying 15:17:41 ok it won't let me come back :( 15:17:54 Away only said I have returned from away. 15:17:55 So /away worked 15:18:06 asd 15:18:13 ah... so use /away twice? it's a toggle? 15:18:20 No, I returned twice. 15:18:35 I think I’m about to be eaten by a grue. 15:18:39 * heidie wonders about virtual exits.... 15:18:40 seems to toggle mine 15:19:02 could be my client. 15:19:19 right... might be interpreted by client 15:19:19 I'm using Chatzilla. Those who are marked as away appear grayed and in italics. 15:19:47 if you mention someone in your text clients usually beep or flash 15:19:56 some call this pinging someone 15:20:01 stoney: it looks like you are still away 15:20:06 it's a good way to get someones attention if they are away 15:20:11 really!?! 15:20:15 humm... /away seems to only indicate that I am no longer marked as being away... puzzling. 15:20:16 not on my end 15:20:34 darci I just issued /back... did that fix? 15:21:08 yep! 15:21:09 and putting someone's name first also works to indicate who you are talking to 15:21:25 OK then... I'm learning a lot about /away and /back 15:21:38 jadudm - do you get flashing? 15:21:39 You can also type the first few letters of someones nick and then hit the tab key to complete the nic 15:21:45 so I think we covered the list 15:21:56 questions about IRC? 15:22:06 yes tab completion is handy 15:22:20 pearcej: erm… no? But, again, I’m cheating, and using a Mac native IRC client, so it tends to do weird things. I should just use something simpler. 15:22:29 pearcej: I do get highlights when someone mentions my name. 15:22:34 oooh! I get a beep! 15:22:34 does it complete anything besides nic s? 15:22:48 I get tab completion on commands 15:22:59 jadudm... yes, and red highlights 15:23:04 jadudm I use Textual trial ed. .... I've also tried colloquy (sp?) 15:23:09 Me too! 15:23:16 Using Colloquy… spelling also ? 15:23:18 I'm using hexchat. 15:23:24 heidie: hardcore. 15:23:30 me to. hexchat 15:23:34 right now... I'm using textual 15:23:35 *too 15:23:47 And I've been entirely on Linux since January! 15:23:51 #linke Colloquy http://colloquy.info/ 15:23:58 i am using hexchat 15:23:59 * heidie high 5's nanette 15:24:07 #link Colloquy http://colloquy.info/ 15:24:08 whe, Cool! 15:24:25 #link Textual https://www.codeux.com/textual/ 15:24:27 yes, highlights when I'm mentioned. thanks 15:24:33 who! 15:24:40 whoo! /google actually works in my client! 15:24:45 interesting 15:24:50 * stoney tries /goolge 15:25:07 didn't work for me 15:25:10 What is /google supposed to do? 15:25:15 It didn't work for me either. 15:25:15 I assume search 15:25:25 My client pops open a browser window and does a google search. 15:25:26 probably launch a browser? 15:25:28 right :) 15:25:31 Again, it’s a Mac-native client, so it does whizzy things. 15:25:43 might have to take a look at it 15:25:50 would it be sacrilegious to wonder why we don't use gitter.im or slack? Is it bc of all these other features? 15:26:20 /google does nada for me 15:26:38 nanette: good choice of word… 15:26:52 * jadudm feels an essay prompt coming on… 15:26:55 had to spell check it 15:27:09 nanette some reasons: 1) we prefer to support open source, 2) momentum (lots of open source communities use IRC) 15:27:48 I ask bc the OS community we investigated last year did use gitter 15:27:54 mifos 15:28:13 right... so some HFOSS projects will choose to use other tools 15:28:20 then you should go with that :) 15:28:27 but I retract the question...was just wondering 15:28:42 it's a good question... no need to retract :) 15:28:55 Ok... we should probably push to next topic 15:29:08 #topic Discussion of HFOSS projects 15:29:11 Sorry folks, gotta go to a department meeting. Bye! 15:29:17 bye darci 15:29:23 * jadudm loves meetings. 15:29:26 Bye darci 15:29:34 jadudm, you can go to all of my meetings in the future! 15:29:44 * jadudm wiggles with excitement. 15:29:52 So have folks had a chance to look at some HFOSS projects? 15:30:00 any thoughts or questions about them? 15:30:49 after having tried this once, I think understanding the on ramp for various projects is really important 15:31:08 right... and they vary from project to project 15:31:12 Yep. 15:31:31 And, oddly, I’ve had better luck with *smaller* projects (that have less-clear onramping), because the community is tighter and more passionate. 15:31:50 I found something strange: we had local firewalls -- but that's a separate issue 15:31:51 Whereas some larger projects have great onboarding docs and process… but, don’t actually handle the process well, because they’re too big, or… something. 15:31:53 that's an interesting insight 15:31:57 I could see that 15:32:20 (Both Karl W. and I had challenges with the same project last spring.) 15:32:35 I think you need to look at recent chatter -- what project did you have challenges? 15:32:46 Open MRS. 15:32:50 nanette right, it might be hard to engage technologically speaking if your school has stringent controls on the network 15:33:00 we had challenges with mifos ... 15:33:11 It was unclear… if they were between versions, or what. But, we could not get build environments set up even if it had meant (no pun intended) saving lives. 15:33:26 http://mifos.org/ ? 15:33:36 yes, the firewall thing is not something they disclose transparently 15:34:10 yep 15:34:31 build environmetns were tough -- we had multiple platforms too 15:34:54 multiple build platforms are *so* difficult. they’re a project unto themselves. 15:35:07 but honestly, sometimes I think it was just intermittant network connections 15:35:13 kills you in a big download 15:35:14 yes... MouseTrap ran into the platform issue 15:35:37 in those cases, I wish that the projects provided a “build VM” that you could run in virtualbox. 15:35:38 very hard to test and develop with multiple platforms in mind 15:35:39 or, something. 15:35:54 right... and MouseTrap doesn't do well in a VM :( 15:36:10 drivers, web-cam thingy 15:36:11 we are using vm's on most of our machines so a vm in a vm is an issue 15:36:31 oh interesting 15:36:42 the vm in a vm issue 15:37:08 whe or pearcej any questions or thoughts about HFOSS projects? 15:37:35 * pearcej feeling overwhelmed. advice for getting started? 15:38:17 let's see... I think Lori had some good advice in yesterday's IRC meeting... digging ... 15:38:48 pearcej: attend a POSSE? 15:38:54 * jadudm ducks 15:39:08 Things to consider: student background, level of involvement, language, just to mention a few 15:39:11 jadudm ha ha! will do! 15:39:21 \me gotta go: dentist (possibly only thing worse than a dept mtg) 15:39:22 Me too. I may need to get my TA to attend a POSSE too later 15:39:33 And then start evaluating project against that 15:39:42 \away 15:39:48 also... start talking to folks 15:40:01 especially those who have tried using in their classes before 15:40:36 and like others have said... attend a POSSE and form connections :) 15:41:07 you don't have to have a project selected right now... we just want you to start thinking about and looking at them 15:41:14 bye nanette 15:41:22 * stoney is a little slow sometimes 15:42:26 So there is only one more agenda item... but I don't understand what "Good of the order" means 15:42:32 anyone else? :) 15:43:38 Ok... so things have slowed... so let's wrap up 15:43:42 #topic Wrap up 15:43:52 Any last minute burning questions? 15:44:34 nope. 15:44:36 After I close the meeting... I'll post a link to our minutes at the bottom of the agenda 15:44:44 Okie dokie 15:45:00 cool 15:45:14 Alright... thanks all for attending 15:45:18 thank you all! 15:45:19 Talk to you soon! 15:45:23 #endmeeting