00:00:18 #startmeeting IRC Meeting 1 00:00:18 Meeting started Tue Mar 14 00:00:18 2017 UTC. The chair is hislopg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:00:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'irc_meeting_1' 00:00:26 Hi everyone! 00:00:31 hi! 00:00:35 hi! 00:00:37 hello! 00:00:39 hi 00:00:41 Greetings 00:00:41 I think it's time to start our first IRC meeting for POSSE 00:00:44 Hello 00:00:51 #chair kussmaul lorip heidie 00:00:51 Current chairs: heidie hislopg kussmaul lorip 00:01:15 I'm adding a few additional people as chairs so they can do commands for the meetbot... 00:01:26 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 contains the agenda for this meeting 00:01:53 If you look at the agenda, our first topic is introductions, so I'll set that topic.... 00:01:55 #info the meetbot will log our meeting and allow us to have minutes that we can post 00:02:01 #topic Introductions 00:02:26 Why don't we go through the list in alpha order by nick? 00:02:27 #info the meetbot also has tags that help with the organization of the logs 00:02:44 Becka - that means you start... brief introduction... 00:02:50 My name is Becka Morgan. 00:03:00 I am a professor at Western Oregon University 00:03:15 I teach a course on FOSS dev 00:03:25 I am an alum of POSSE 2013 00:03:45 done 00:03:48 My name is Cam Macdonell 00:03:48 Thanks Becka! 00:04:07 I'm a professor at MacEwan University in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 00:04:38 I have incorporated FOSS software in my Software Engineering course 00:04:56 I happily ran into the Foss2Serve folks at SIGCSE a few years back 00:05:08 and have helped out with some POSSE events 00:05:12 done 00:05:30 Carlos - we're doing brief intros... you're up! 00:06:12 If you're new to IRC, just type something in the command line and hit enter... 00:06:43 My name is Carlos Maltzahn — I’m a computer science professor at UC Santa Cruz and director of the Center for Research in Open Source Software (CROSS). I”m specializing in distributed systems and storage systems. 00:06:57 done 00:07:04 thanks. 00:07:04 I'm Mark Gondree 00:07:59 I'm a new professor at Sonoma State University. I've taught computer security and general CS classes. Never taught any software engineering courses. 00:08:41 But my job has started to expand my life to new topics, and students at my new school seem really interested in social justice and making the world better. 00:09:01 cool! 00:09:07 I'm excited about learning more about HFOSS to try to capitalize on their excitement. (done.) 00:09:25 I'm Greg Hislop and I'm a faculty member at Drexel University in Philadelphia. I'm one of the organizers of POSSE... Next? 00:09:44 I'm Imad Antonios, CS professor at Southern Connecticut State University. 00:10:06 I'm Randy Scovil CS Prof at Cuesta College/Cal Poly 00:10:21 This is my first involvement with FOSS development. I hope to incorporate it into my senior project course. done. 00:10:37 I’m Janet Burge. I’m a professor at Colorado College. 00:10:38 Janet? 00:11:07 I’ll be supervising senior capstone projects and am hoping this might give some projects that the students will be interested in. 00:11:16 I'm Terry Harvey, University if Delaware. I'm new to open source, new to IRC, hope to add HFOSS to my software eng I course this fall. 00:11:18 done 00:11:26 This is an opportunity for them to see software as something other than a way to make money. Done! 00:11:35 sorry janet 00:11:52 Clif? 00:12:03 I'm Clif Kussmaul, at Muhlenberg College, Allentown, PA, and one of the POSSE organizers. I've used, contributed to, and consulted with several FOSS wikis, content management systems, etc. I've had some students contribute to FOSS too. I'm also very involved in POGIL (Process Oriented Guided Inquiry Learning) - more about that later... Done. 00:12:16 I'm Lori Postner from Nassau Community College in Long Island, NY. 00:12:24 I'm a member of the foss2serve team (who organize POSSE) and am very excited to meet each of you in SF next month. (done.) 00:12:42 Karsten? 00:12:44 My name is Karsten Wade, I work at Red Hat and was on the original team that started POSSE and TeachingOpenSource.org (TOS), was one of the lead authors on the TOS POSSE textbook, author/maintainer of http://theopensourceway.org, and other stuff. I currently work on the Open Source and Standards (OSAS) team at Red Hat with spot & glikins, and am attending POSSE as one of the community bridge/gardener types so I can be an ongoing resource for folks out here i 00:12:52 wow, that was alot once pasted :D 00:13:05 My name is Ron Pike and I'm a professor at Cal Poly Pomona 00:13:12 I have more than 30 years’ experience as a network/security person using many big iron commercial hardware solutions. 00:13:25 For many years I view the open source community as sort of a hi-tech hippie camp 00:13:34 With the advent of software defined networks I believe I need to finish my career in the camp 00:13:47 I want to incorporate FOSS development into my advanced networks course build security apparatus 00:13:54 I’m looking forward to learning from all of you 00:13:56 done 00:14:08 Tom? 00:14:46 * lorip thinking, maybe Tom stepped away? 00:14:50 spot: ping 00:14:50 camm: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 00:14:54 spot is Tom Callaway of Red Hat, also on the OSAS Team... he may be away, but is planning to be in SFO 00:15:33 zodbot: are you a robot? 00:15:35 OK... thanks everyone! nice to hear from some of you for the first time... 00:15:55 wait - Jody_ can you introduce yourself? 00:16:08 ah... thanks lorip 00:16:15 Hi, I'm Jody Paul from Metropolitan State University of Denver 00:17:02 thanks Jody.... 00:17:10 #topic IRC and Meetbot basics 00:17:31 I'll guess that some of you are familiar with IRC but others are new to it... 00:17:45 the basics are simple - mostly just type and hit enter... 00:18:03 the meeting agenda has some pointers to basic command information 00:18:27 and so does the IRC exercise that many of you have already completed 00:18:34 You've seen a few things go by in this conversation... for example, lorip used a /me command 00:18:53 on my IRC client that shows up in italics 00:19:38 also Camm used a nick to address a message to spot. In most clients that will cause the icon to flash to let the person know they have been mentioned 00:19:57 it makes a noise on my client as well 00:20:10 In addition to basic IRC we have a meetbot running in the channel (zodbot) 00:20:37 all the commands that begin with # are for the meetbot and help to produce a transcript and summary of the meeting... 00:20:54 you'll see the links for those when we end the meeting - click on them and take a look! 00:21:06 any other comments about IRC? 00:21:22 do you have to start the meetbot? is one in every conversaation? 00:21:38 the #startmeeting starts the recording 00:21:50 you also have to have a meetbot logged into the channel 00:22:21 the one we're using is run by the Fedora project and they provide us access to support our efforts 00:22:29 ah thanks 00:22:45 other comments? 00:22:46 do you archive everything? 00:23:03 yes, if you start a meeting. no, if you don't 00:23:36 shall we move on to our next topic? 00:23:39 so there is no transcript available from this channel? 00:23:53 We have privacy issues for courses that may apply. D you know if IRC is typically used in an academic course? 00:24:16 use of IRC is an instructor choice... 00:24:16 I use IRC in my course 00:24:25 thanks 00:24:34 there are potential FERPA issues, depending on local interpretation of the law 00:24:36 rpike - you can have students pick a nick so privacy isn't an much of an issue 00:24:39 It is a great way to get a transcript of meetings my students have 00:24:41 you could have a private or password protected channel, or students could use pseudonyms 00:25:02 Ah, thank you 00:25:22 by the way, this channel is available if you want to introduce IRC to your class and show them a meetbot... 00:25:48 there's not a lot of traffic, so showing up with a class and doing an activity is not a problem 00:25:57 OK... next topic? 00:26:08 #topic HFOSS projects 00:27:01 as we move toward stage 2, we will be encouraging you to think about an HFOSS project you might want to explore. 00:27:24 Any preliminary thoughts or questions about HFOSS projects? 00:27:38 There are other tools similar to IRC that can be used, too 00:27:38 which have privacy controls 00:27:58 We are being asked to stick to the projects on this page for now http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities, right? 00:28:06 are they all welcoming to students? The Sahana project google group said they are not really using volunteers 00:28:17 hislopg - would it make sense for Becka & Camm to give a brief description of the HFOSS projects they have used? 00:28:28 yes 00:28:29 I am thinking Sahana, because I want to practice Python. They all look neat. I could also be persuaded to another project if it would be better to look at one I might use with my class in Fall... 00:28:41 gondree: that's a good starting point. if you know of other HFOSS projects, that's fine too. 00:29:05 (and if it's HFOSS and not on the page, please add it!) 00:29:40 jburge: many are friendly, but it's never "all" 00:29:49 note that there is another page (HFOSS Projects) with a much longer, but less curated list. 00:29:54 jburge: do you have a link where Sahana said they weren't using volunteers? 00:30:08 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sahana-eden/gAyV_CXuyaM 00:30:43 jburge: interesting. we've had students contribute to Sahana, so this would be a change. 00:30:55 But like most things, there is change in HFOSS... 00:31:17 kussmaul: yeah, this one is longer: http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects, so I assumed the "Communities page" was perhaps intentionally limited. Maybe just groups that had expressed interest in partnering with POSSE 00:31:31 On the other hand, we had one of the Sahana people attend a working meeting about a year ago and he was quite interested in student participation... 00:31:48 left hand, meet right hand? :-) 00:31:51 jburge: and I know of a prof who used it in class last semester - interesting... 00:31:59 I’d like to know what it is - it would be a very bad experience for the students to write code and then have it ignored. 00:32:30 well, we'll talk about issues like this at the stage 2 workshop... 00:32:48 and a key point is to approach the community before students start work. 00:33:03 I will add that the Sahana post mentions a lack of a "funnel"/liaison 00:33:24 sometimes this role is called a "Community Manager" 00:33:27 (as an aside, I'm not sure it would be a completely "bad experience" for students - but we can talk about that) 00:33:54 projects with someone who connects with volunteer contributors can be very helpful 00:34:04 any other project exploring going on? 00:34:10 or any questions? 00:34:31 I'm the contact for Ushahidi, so I'd be happy to answer any questions about it 00:34:52 camm - can you briefly explain what Ushahidi is? 00:35:08 I was looking at Ushahidi. Put setting up the VM environment on my to-do list 00:35:25 Ushahidi is a crisis-mapping software platform that was created out of the 2008 Kenyan election 00:35:55 It has been used to allow people affected by natural and man-made disasters to report information, requests for help, etc. 00:36:16 Their community has been getting better organized 00:36:36 They have a site of examples; https://www.ushahidi.com/support/examples-of-deployments 00:37:28 Ushahidi is also used for non-critical mapping like potholes in Boulder, Colorado 00:37:48 In LA potholes are critical 00:38:06 fun fact; LA used it for sidewalks 00:38:21 to allow the public to report sidewalks that needed repair 00:38:42 fantastic 00:38:53 Is the only type of data that gets put on the map text? Or, can they send pictures of the potholes too? 00:39:10 Here's the site - http://sidewalks.latimes.com/ 00:39:12 it's a bit old 00:39:19 I think they took the map down 00:39:35 gondree: People can upload photos/videos in the newer versions 00:39:56 What is the programming language used predominately by Ushahidi 00:39:56 It also has a mobile apps that be used 00:40:16 Ushahidi uses python 00:40:22 Becka: that is the one challenge, it is PHP for the web application 00:40:26 \me thinks that sounds cool. 00:40:38 Interesting!! 00:40:39 oops, my bad :) 00:40:43 gondree: the slash goes the other way 00:40:50 /me thinks.. 00:41:04 * gondree has learned how to type. 00:41:10 ^ boom 00:41:12 :-) 00:41:28 :-o 00:41:29 other project thoughts/questions? 00:41:51 Ushahidi is a neat community, the software is quite complicated. I would suggest it for senior classes. 00:42:08 you have some time yet to explore and think about what might work for you. 00:42:22 But for those of you who haven't started to explore the projects, I hope this has made you curious. 00:42:23 I’d be interested in a project that supports citizen emergency response communications with ham radios, e.g. packet radio. 00:42:50 definitely pay attention to the language used in the project if that will be important in your context 00:43:03 * hislopg can't think of any for ham radio... 00:43:22 but that doesn't mean that they aren't out there! 00:43:35 Cupertino is using Outpost but I don’t think it’s open-source. 00:44:20 For POSSE we should pick one of the 5 listed? 00:44:22 carlosmalt: what is Outpost? 00:44:35 http://outpostpm.org/index.php 00:46:02 It’s also Windows-based. I’d love to have a more portable OSS version. 00:46:03 thanks! 00:46:09 appears to not be FOSS? 00:46:30 #link http://www.outpostpm.org/index.php?content=terms 00:47:05 but almost looks like the developer doesn't understand FOSS and might need some hints? 00:47:18 that was may take reading it and yes #8 is confusing... 00:47:19 Exactly. 00:47:55 you might contact him at some point and ask. 00:48:19 Cupertino is one of the best-organized citizen emergency response communities I know but the leadership is pretty old-school in some aspects... 00:48:36 could be an opportunity! :-) 00:48:54 Will do. Just wanted to make sure that nobody already knows an alternative. 00:49:00 OK... we've been at this for some time... 00:49:07 becka: to answer your question, those 5 projects are good starting points, but if there is another HFOSS project of interest, please let us know 00:49:07 Circling back to Becka's earlier point, do we need to select a FOSS project from the list, or are we free to propose and start a new project? 00:49:16 any final comments before we end the meeting? 00:49:34 Where should we express interest for a project? 00:49:43 rpike: we should discuss what you have in mind 00:50:04 On our own page, on the community page, or elsewhere? 00:50:17 or can we wait until stage 2? 00:50:24 camm: I see http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/Category:Ushahidi, http://www.foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities#Ushahidi all have sign-ups, for example. 00:50:26 One of the pluses in choosing an existing project is that students get a much richer exposure to real world projects 00:50:36 gondree: #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 00:50:57 gondree: there are activities in stage 1 and 2 where you can start to focus on a particular project 00:50:58 lorip: fantastic -- thanks! 00:51:32 this is posted during the next set of activities - we will ask you to choose both a project and a course to focus on 00:52:30 OK... thanks everyone for dropping in on this meeting! 00:52:32 ok. happy to be patient. 00:52:50 thank you! 00:52:52 thank you 00:52:56 we'll have a few more during stage 1, and more time to discuss things in stage 2 00:53:00 thanks! 00:53:02 Thank you hislopg 00:53:04 keep an eye out for the next doodle poll... 00:53:15 nice to meet all of you! 00:53:15 :-) 00:53:18 also, don't hesitate to contact us if questions come up along the way! 00:53:20 thanks! 00:53:28 thank you! 00:53:31 #endmeeting