00:02:59 #startmeeting IRC Meeting 2 00:02:59 Meeting started Wed Mar 29 00:02:59 2017 UTC. The chair is darci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:02:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:02:59 The meeting name has been set to 'irc_meeting_2' 00:03:08 Welcome! 00:03:20 We will start with introductions. 00:03:28 Alphabetically from the top... 00:03:37 #topic Introductions 00:03:48 becka can you start? 00:04:10 kussmaul: Hmm, am I in the dog house? 00:05:02 Maybe becka stepped away...camm can you go first? 00:05:10 yes 00:05:15 My name is Cam Macdonell 00:05:25 I'm a professor at MacEwan University in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 00:05:35 I have incorporated FOSS software in my Software Engineering course 00:05:54 and I am the contact for those interested in Ushahidi 00:05:58 done. 00:06:11 Hi again...I am Darci Burdge 00:06:21 I'm here now 00:06:21 I am a Professor at Nassau Community College 00:06:29 I am a member of the foss2serve team 00:06:40 And I am really looking forward to SFO 00:06:42 Done! 00:06:51 becka...you are one! 00:06:55 *in 00:06:56 I am Becka. I am a professor at Western Oregon University 00:06:57 *on 00:06:59 :) 00:07:03 lol 00:07:30 I teach a senior level course on Open source software development 00:07:44 I am really looking forward to SFO 00:07:47 does 00:07:50 Done 00:08:33 heidie 00:08:36 are you here? 00:08:50 Hi Folks, I'm a prof at Western New England University. 00:08:58 I've been involving students in HFOSS since 2006. 00:09:13 ANd I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone face-to-face in SFO! 00:10:13 howardf? 00:10:45 jburge: maybe you can go next 00:10:49 Hi, I'm Howard from Univ of Pikeville (in Kentucky) I 00:11:22 i'm a previous POSSE attendee (Nov '15) Using OpenMRS in my senior project class... and thinking about making it a central theme in my intro class in the fall 00:11:44 cool! 00:12:46 When you say intro class, do you mean a CS1? 00:13:22 CS0 00:13:42 Okay, jburge? 00:13:44 Hi! I’m Janet Burge from Colorado College 00:14:19 We teach all our classes in 3.5 weeks of teaching every day. I started a class yesterday and it will be over when we meet 00:14:35 I am hoping to get senior capstone students working on HFOSS projects 00:14:38 done 00:14:57 HI, I'm Jody Paul from Metropolitan State University of Denver (Denver, Colorado) in the department of Mathematical and Computer Sciences. Our courses include various projects, sometimes FOSS and sometimes not; choices made rather arbitrarily. I'm interested in a more intentional focus going forward. :) 00:15:02 Done. 00:15:43 Hi! Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College, Allentown, PA. I've used, contributed to, and consulted with several FOSS (not HFOSS) projects - Drupal, TWiki, etc. I've had students contribute to FOSS, mostly in project courses and independent study projects. I'm also on the foss2serve team, and looking forward to SFO - though I leave tomorrow for a conference & workshop in Europe. 00:15:46 Done 00:16:27 Mark? 00:16:30 My name is Mark Gondree. I'm a new professor at Sonoma State University (in CA). I teach a CS1 class and mostly intro classes for my first couple semesters. 00:16:46 My area of research is computer security, and I'll be teaching a security class next year, and likely a software engineering capstone after that. I'm interested in integrating HFOSS into student projects and those future classes. 00:16:54 I'm open to learning how to bring these into CS1 projects too, but I'm not sure about that 00:16:57 and I look forward to meeting everyone in SF. Done. =) 00:17:14 I've met Gurman Gill in your dept 00:17:31 at SIGCSE? 00:17:48 several times - at SIGCSE, via email, etc. 00:18:12 he's a great guy. right on the other side of my office wall now. =) 00:18:40 OSIMAsson? 00:18:43 Hi all, I'm Patrick Masson, I'm an adjunct at SUNY Albany and I am also developing an online course (along w/the OERu and Univ. of Southern Queensland) based on Karl Fogel's "Producing Open Source Software." My full-time gig is General Manager at the Open Source Initiative. Really excited to be working with--and learning from--you all. 00:18:45 OSIMasson? 00:18:53 oops! 00:19:01 kussmaul: no worries 00:19:13 eol 00:19:49 quaod? 00:19:51 quaid? 00:20:05 spot? 00:20:10 hey 00:20:25 We're doing introductions 00:20:38 I work on the same team as Spot at Red Hat, I'm a community architect & have been involved in POSSE on/off since the start. 00:20:58 I'm based on Santa Cruz, CA, and am looking forward to being able to provide hands-on & local support for you all following POSSE. 00:21:04 See you in a few weeks! 00:21:07 ## 30 ## 00:21:44 Is that everyone? 00:21:57 I'm thinking yes... 00:22:11 If so, I'll change topics 00:22:30 #topic Stage 1 Progress - Questions? 00:22:46 We would love to hear how things are going? 00:23:06 And if there are any questions, please feel free to ask! 00:23:28 darci: pretty straight forward--just to start the conversation :-) 00:24:01 Maybe everyone could give a quick summary of the progress they have made. 00:24:10 can I just check-in to ask --- how far should we be? I think I've not done the "Copyright and Licensing" or "FOSS in Courses 1" activities 00:24:45 So, we should be nearing the end of "Part A" ? 00:25:14 If so, I think I'm on-track. I've only started to dip a toe into "Part B" 00:25:21 I guess ideally, you should be finished with part A and starting on part B 00:25:35 Oh, that sounds perfect! 00:25:50 done with Part B by Apr 4 00:25:59 done with Part C by Apr 19 00:26:15 With the understanding that there will be a lot of variation based on workload. 00:26:22 Completed Project Evaluation (Activity) 00:26:30 * MarkG feels relieved about his progress. 00:26:33 Ah, good for you OSIMasson! 00:26:46 * darci smiling 00:26:58 Project evaluation can take time so don't spend over an hour on that. ' 00:27:00 heidie: I am stealing many of these activities for my own course 00:27:04 Unless you want to of course. 00:27:15 OSIMasson, Reuse is encouraged :-) 00:27:21 Done with B except for the sign-up 00:27:29 Excellent! 00:27:36 That's the idea. That folks use the activities that they can in their courses. 00:28:07 I use most of the Stage 1 activities for my senior project class 00:28:19 We love to have variations on existing activities as well. 00:28:32 so, it seems like many people have started to apply the rubric. I'm a little confused how to evaluate "size" as a dimension of an open source project. 00:28:32 OSIMasson: what level is your online course targetted at? 00:28:34 So, if you do something a bit different, please share! 00:28:52 camm: undergraduates 00:29:17 Have progressed through the Project Evaluation (Activity). Am finding that I typically take longer than the anticipated amount of time... I guess I'm like my students in that way. 00:29:23 camm: those just beginning to work in/with open source 00:30:12 OSIMasson: so likely junior/senior-level, I presume? With reasonable programming experience? 00:30:47 working on guided tour. Lagging a bit :-( 00:31:04 MarkG: are you referring to the "size" of the project 00:31:47 darci: yes. I can figure it out (via installing the github add-on to my brower), but evaluating / interpreting size is hard. I think if a project is too big, it might be hard for my students to wrap their heads around it. 00:31:54 camm: the course is actually broader than technical development models, and covers topics relevant for other contributor/development types working in/with open source 00:32:24 too small, and ... well, I don't know. maybe there are no drawbacks to being too small. 00:32:32 camm: so there might be business majors interested in how to use open source for infrastructure (reduce start-up costs) 00:32:52 OSIMasson: Cool, I look forward to chatting in SFO 00:33:00 camm: or communications folks interested in marketing open source projects, 00:33:07 MarkG: I would agree! It has been somewhat challenging to find a project that is "just the right size" for lower level classes in particular (like CS2 or Data Structures). 00:33:22 camm: yes, I hope so. I am so excited to hear what others are up to 00:33:28 if the project is too small, students don't really get what it's like to work on a real project - more like a typical academic projet 00:34:01 camm: Have you read Fogel's book? 00:34:25 foss2serve.org and teachingopensource.org need more activities that could be used by non-CS majors - intro students, business majors, etc. 00:34:36 camm: http://producingoss.com/ (it was also referenced in the POSSE homework) 00:34:44 i'd like to use OpenMRS in my CS1, but we use BlueJ, and opening large projects in that is not easy (and I really don't want to introduce them to Eclipse that early).. maybe a small OpenMRS module project might be more reasonable... hmmm (thinking out loud here) 00:34:50 kussmaul: yeah, true. too small robs the sense of working on something significant. 00:34:59 OSIMasson: Not yet :) 00:35:33 howardf: others have had some luck with OpenMRS modules and yes, much smaller than working in the core. 00:35:35 howardf: modules are a good approach for many projects 00:36:07 i haven't studied modules much yet... i think i just figured out one of my summer projects 00:36:10 +1 for working on modules - I've had good experiences with modules in Drupal, Moodle, wikis, 00:37:24 I think some of you have shared this information already, but which course(s) are you planning to incorporate HFOSS into first? 00:37:29 camm: :-) 00:37:37 #topic HFOSS in Courses 00:38:03 * howardf is very happy that BlueJ has git support now :) 00:38:21 I mostly want to use (H)FOSS in Software Engineering (2nd year) and Capstone (4th year). I'd like to find ways to introduce it in CS1/CS2. 00:39:15 Is anyone planning to incorporate HFOSS into a mobile app course? 00:39:25 Software engineering -- would also like to use in CS Principles & CS 1 00:39:53 * becka waves good bye. will have to read log. Spring break trip starts now... 00:40:05 Bye! Have fun! 00:40:21 :-) 00:40:37 Oh! I remember something I wanted to ask (not necessarily here, but here's as good a place as any)... Our First Year Studies course has a saturday session where students are assigned community service projects to work on, I am really interested in seeing if I can come up with an "online community service project" with OpenMRS for a group of students to do 00:41:33 Interesting! 00:41:41 cool idea - any thoughts what you would have them do with openMRS? 00:42:04 i dunno yet... it was just in my SIGCSE notes for future thought, and I haven't thought much about it yet 00:42:56 Are you thinking typical FOSS contributions or something different? 00:43:36 something with OpenMRS... i'm trying to make that my goto project in my classes so i become more familiar with it 00:44:02 it would have to be something with a really quick learning curve because I don't think i meet the students until the day this happens 00:44:21 good idea to pick a few (or just one) project(s) to focus on, rather than getting spread too thin 00:44:25 (I haven't been involved with the first years studies class, so i'm not sure how all the details of their service day works) 00:44:28 what are the "Evaluation" sites on the OpenMRS Atlas? 00:44:38 OSIMasson 00:44:49 * quaid had a lag, sorry 00:44:51 quaid: 00:44:55 Maybe partnering with one of the "Clinical sites" might provide an opportunity for community service 00:45:17 like, there is a Berkeley Free Clinic using it.. 00:45:28 maybe visit them when you come down to SFO? 00:45:39 OSIMasson: was going to say that I have a "over a meal" discussion topic for interested people about open source infrastructure re: https://opensource.com/article/17/3/growth-open-source-project-infrastructures 00:46:02 basically, how to run your infra like you run your code for a project 00:46:18 only passwords & keys are secret, all else is out transparently 00:46:42 i'm not in this posse group :( just wanting to keep myself connect to it so i don't lose focus on what i want to do 00:46:45 quaid: save me a seat at that table! 00:46:48 I do think it's a potential avenue for CS/CE students even though infra is often slotted in IT-type training, partially it fits due to devops movement 00:46:58 OSIMasson: for sure! 00:47:17 howardf: ah, sorry about the "when you are in SF" throwaway, then. 00:47:31 np 00:47:59 kussmaul: ^^^ above points as per your "more activities for non-CS majors" 00:49:11 quaid: :-) 00:49:30 * quaid has to take off now, ttyl 00:49:33 Unless there are other thoughts/questions regarding stage 1, I'm thinking we should move on. 00:49:36 we have a long list of ideas, and would love help fleshing them out into activities 00:49:41 yes, good idea to move on 00:49:53 #topic POSSE Stage 2 00:50:07 We are getting every closer to stage 2. 00:50:21 Are there any questions? 00:50:45 can you summarize in a sentence the timeline for stage 2? 00:51:31 We will start at 2:00pm on Thursday and end at 2:00pm on Saturday. 00:51:50 oh, gee -- ha. stage 2 is just the duration of time we are in SF? 00:52:17 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 00:52:38 Here is the draft agenda. This is likely to change a bit before we got to SFO. 00:52:51 MarkG: yes, Stage 2 is the in-person phase :) 00:53:13 gotcha. I thought SF was just a Stage 2 kick-off. Its all of Stage 2. thanks! 00:54:13 Yes, one of the things that everyone should do before stage 2 is fill in a course and a project that they would like to work on. 00:54:27 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 00:55:00 As part of one of the upcoming activities, you'll be asked to sign up for stage 2 groups. 00:55:30 This is a starting point for determining what people want to work on while in SFO. 00:56:14 Other questions? 00:56:23 what is "Stand-alone HFOSS / Openness" as a course? 00:57:36 A course that focuses only on HFOSS and/or openness in general, such as open data, open government, etc. 00:57:47 ah. thanks. 00:58:18 Greg Hislop has been interested in developing this kind of course. 00:58:26 2 different courses - a course for CS majors focused on HFOSS contribution, and a course for non-majors focused on openness more broadly 00:59:55 other Qs? 00:59:56 It is getting close to 9:00, anything else? 01:00:25 Alright, thank you all! 01:00:40 good night! 01:00:49 g'night! 01:00:49 gnite! 01:00:49 Will be talking one more time on IRC before we head to SFO! 01:00:58 bye! 01:00:59 Bye 01:01:03 bye 01:01:08 #endmeeting