14:00:24 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE - IRC 1.3
14:00:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 25 14:00:24 2017 UTC.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
14:00:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_-_irc_1.3'
14:00:46 <stoney> Welcome all to the third instance of the first IRC meeting for POSSE
14:00:59 <stoney> #link agenda: http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1
14:01:07 <stoney> That's a link to our agenda
14:01:21 <stoney> #topic Introductions
14:01:26 <salsabbagh> Thanks ... sorry I missed the first one I mixed the times
14:01:28 <stoney> First item, introductions
14:02:14 <stoney> please #info your name, your institution, and very briefly your experience with HFOSS
14:02:18 <stoney> for example...
14:02:40 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University, I'm one of the POSSE team members
14:02:53 <stoney> please put #info at the beginning
14:03:02 <hislopg> #info I'm Greg Hislop from Drexel University in Philadelphia and I'm one of the POSSE team members
14:03:14 <stoney> This will tell zodbot to raise it as an important bullet in the minutes :)
14:03:19 <salsabbagh> Hi everyone... My name is Samah Al Sabbagh and I work at Education Above All-Reach Out to Asia
14:03:38 <stoney> welcome salsabbagh
14:03:48 <gustavopinto> #info Gustavo Pinto, Federal University of Pará, Brazil. I do FOSS research, but I'm new to this HFOSS world.
14:03:55 <stoney> welcome gustavopinto
14:04:03 <Sabine> #info I am Sabine Wojcieszak form Germany. I am lecturer at University of Applied Science in Kiel
14:04:09 <stoney> welcome Sabine
14:04:18 <darci> #info Darci Burdge - Nassau Community College - I am a member of the team
14:04:29 <stoney> hi darci  :)
14:04:31 <mselezm> #info My name is Marcos, Universidad Complutense de Madrid (Spain) I teach Operating Systems and Ethics, Legislation and Professional Prectique
14:04:37 <stoney> hi hislopg :)
14:04:39 <darci> :) Hello!
14:04:41 <bnunes> #info Bernardo from PUC-Rio in Brazil and I work with Informatics and Education, Semantic Wev and Web Science. I have not much experience with HFOSS projects but would love to learn more with you.
14:04:44 <stoney> welcome mselezm
14:04:50 <torta> #info I am Gianluca Torta from Università di Torino (Italy), I am an enthusiastic of FOSS but haven't been involved heavily in OS projects so far
14:04:52 <stoney> welcome bnunes
14:04:59 <stoney> welcome torta
14:05:09 <LG_FLOSS> #info I'm Gabor Laszlo from Hungary, Obuda University Keleti Faculty of Business and Management
14:05:19 <stoney> welcome LG_FLOSS
14:05:26 <ajan> #info Vangel Ajanovski, Faculty of Computer Science and Engineering at the University Ss Cyril and Methodius in Skopje, Macedonia. I am regular on IRC since 1995 probably and have been extended experience in FOSS (both using, developing and teaching)
14:05:37 <stoney> welcome ajan
14:06:33 * SaraUCM I am Sara Roman, teching at Computer Science School in Madrid, also Ethics and Law and operating Systems and Computer Security, colleagu of Marcos at UCM :D
14:06:43 <stoney> welcome SaraUCM
14:07:03 <salsabbagh> By the way I have no experience what so ever with FOSS or HFOSS and this would have to be my first exprosure... I am from the Humanitarian field and not CS
14:07:10 <stoney> Did we get everyone?
14:07:29 <stoney> This is a big group! :)
14:07:42 <stoney> With a broad range of experience
14:07:52 <stoney> We do not assume experience with IRC
14:08:23 <stoney> one goal of this meeting is to talk a little about IRC and get some hands-on experience with it
14:08:34 <stoney> Which brings us to our next item
14:08:41 <stoney> #topic IRC
14:09:03 <stoney> A couple useful commands....
14:09:21 <stoney> First... you can put the nick names of others in your message
14:09:32 <stoney> this usually causes their client to flash or beep
14:09:44 <stoney> you may have noticed this when I welcomed each of you in the introductions
14:10:00 <stoney> this is also a good way to direct your remarks to another
14:10:08 * SaraUCM stoney i tried on Monday but did not get the name to flash
14:10:10 <stoney> which helps everyone track a conversation
14:10:28 <darci> SaraUCM:
14:10:38 <stoney> SaraUCM It depends on the client you are using
14:10:38 <darci> Oops did it flash this time?
14:11:07 <stoney> That's an example of how to direct your comments
14:11:24 * SaraUCM yes, it looks a different colour
14:11:32 <stoney> most IRC commands you start with a forward slash
14:11:41 <stoney> for example /me and then an action
14:11:46 * stoney waves at everyone
14:11:59 <stoney> feel free to try these out as we go
14:12:04 <stoney> it's more fun that way :)
14:12:20 * gustavopinto yay!
14:12:31 <stoney> I'll keep going while everyone plays with it
14:12:39 <stoney> also ask questions as you go too
14:12:53 <stoney> you can change your "nick" with /nick
14:12:58 * mselezm Hi
14:13:02 <jackson> now I'm jackson
14:13:11 <stoney> back to stoney
14:13:32 <darci> Another nice feature of most clients is to start typing someone's nick and then press tab to auto complete.
14:13:49 <stoney> it's common to append _ or _afk to your nick to indicate that you are "away from keyboard"
14:13:56 <salsabbagh> Samah
14:13:58 * Sabine Heather
14:13:59 <stoney_> like this
14:14:07 <salsabbagh> Samah/nick
14:14:17 * Bernardo says hello to all
14:14:27 <stoney> salsabbagh ... /nick Samah
14:14:50 <Samah> Yey I got it
14:14:51 <stoney> Samah there you go!
14:15:21 <stoney> more commands can be found at the following link
14:15:26 * Sabine says Moin to everyone
14:15:27 <stoney> #link IRC commands http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
14:15:50 <stoney> Any questions so far?
14:16:03 <gustavopinto> so far so good
14:16:09 <stoney> awesome!
14:16:11 <stoney> keep playing
14:16:16 <Samah> I want to also mention that I still didn't get my username and password for the Wiki so was unable to log on
14:16:34 <GaborL> :-)
14:16:34 <MarcosS> :Samah me too
14:16:48 * Sabine me too
14:16:54 <stoney> hislopg are you getting these?
14:16:57 * SaraRoman neither
14:16:59 <gustavopinto> Samah: the same here
14:17:02 <stoney> hislopg manages the wiki accounts
14:17:07 * gtorta says Me too
14:17:20 <stoney> hislopg may be lurking at the moment
14:17:50 <hislopg> The wiki accounts will be coming in the next day or so... we have an email problem that's affecting the server where the wiki lives...
14:18:14 <stoney> Ah, good info :)
14:18:27 <MarcosS> Ok hislopg, good info :)
14:18:32 <stoney> OK... let's talk about zodbot
14:18:34 <Sabine> Okay, but then we can´t finish our homework on time
14:18:43 <Deepti> thanks for info on wiki accounts
14:18:46 <hislopg> I'll send an email to the whole group when the problem is resolved (or a work-around used instead)
14:18:48 <Samah> hislopg/ thanks
14:19:02 <darci> Deepti: we just finished introductions, can you introduce yourself?
14:19:15 <darci> and Welcome!
14:19:16 <Samah> thanks/hislopg
14:19:39 * SaraRoman hislopg thanks
14:19:53 <hislopg> For your stage 1 work, I'd suggest keeping any notes / activity results that you would like to post to your wiki User page in a text file somewhere - then you can post them when we get you wiki access
14:20:21 <Deepti> hello, I am Deepti Reddy from Mumbai, India. I am Associate professor in Computer Engg dept at SIES Graduate School of Technology, Mumbai.
14:20:37 <Samah> hislope: Thanks
14:20:41 <stoney> welcome Deepti
14:20:41 <hislopg> Hi Deepti!
14:21:08 <Deepti> Hi hislopg
14:21:09 <stoney> OK... zodbot is not a real user, but is a bot that responds to commands
14:21:22 <stoney> it's responsible for taking minutes for meetings
14:21:30 * MarcosS will write down my notes / activites that I would like to post
14:21:30 <stoney> that's why it's called a meetbot
14:21:45 <stoney> zodbot responds to lines that start with #
14:21:50 <stoney> for example
14:21:53 <stoney> #chair darci
14:21:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: darci stoney
14:22:03 <stoney> I just made darci a chair of the current meeting
14:22:30 <stoney> The chair has more privileges than others
14:22:39 <darci> I got the power... :)
14:22:44 <stoney> For example, they can #endmeeting
14:23:07 <stoney> But everyone can do things like, #info, #action, #agreed, etc.
14:23:26 <stoney> These command elevate the line to the summary of the meeting
14:23:43 <stoney> That's why I had everyone use #info during introductions
14:23:50 <BernardoNunes> #agreed
14:24:01 <Sabine> #agreed
14:24:09 <stoney> zodbot will provide a full transcript of minutes
14:24:14 <stoney> and a summary too
14:24:37 <gtorta> great!
14:24:37 <stoney> when we end, zodbot will give a URL to the posted minutes
14:24:51 <stoney> also #link is a good one for providing links to things
14:24:56 <MarcosS> great!
14:25:02 <stoney> #link zodbot http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html
14:25:24 <stoney> More information on meetbots can be found on the link I just provided
14:25:41 <stoney> Another quick note
14:26:00 <stoney> anyone can start a meeting with #startmeeting <title-of-meeting>
14:26:07 <stoney> as long as one isn't currently running
14:26:19 <stoney> that person becomes the chair for that meeting
14:26:38 <stoney> if they leave without ending the meeting....
14:26:49 <stoney> the meeting is still in progress!!!!....
14:26:56 <stoney> and no one can run another
14:27:09 <stoney> so it's usually a good idea to make a couple others chair as well
14:27:15 <stoney> #chair hislopg
14:27:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: darci hislopg stoney
14:27:28 <stoney> then any of them can end the meeting
14:27:34 <gustavopinto> interesting!
14:27:49 <stoney> So how are we doing? More questions?
14:27:50 <Sabine> good advise!
14:28:03 <gtorta> stoney: is there a channel admin?
14:28:12 <stoney> there isn't at this time
14:28:19 <stoney> we have not registered #foss2serve
14:28:32 <stoney> and we need to register before we can assign "operators"
14:28:37 <Samah> This is a lot to take in guys
14:28:52 <gtorta> stone: ok thanks!
14:28:54 <stoney> gtorta but it's probably something we should do :)
14:29:09 <Samah> But I think I a little lost
14:29:19 <stoney> Samah there will be a test... just kidding...
14:29:28 <stoney> Samah you're right, there is a lot
14:29:28 <Samah> hahaha
14:29:30 <GaborL> :-)
14:29:48 * ajan ... panics about the test
14:29:48 <stoney> Samah the best advise is to ask questions :)
14:29:48 <MarcosS> :-D
14:30:03 * SaraRoman so what does registering a channel mean ?
14:30:25 <ajan> SaraRoman: it means that some will "own" the channel, and will get additional rights
14:30:37 <Samah> stoney: I am not sure what to ask actually ... this is all new to me... So I am just trying to watch and take in
14:30:50 * SaraRoman ok, so now it does not belong to anybody
14:30:51 <stoney> Samah you are doing the right thing :)
14:31:16 <stoney> SaraRoman you got it
14:31:22 <stoney> OK... next topic?
14:31:28 <stoney> #topic Discussion of HFOSS projects
14:31:28 <Sabine> #agreed
14:31:47 <Samah> Yes
14:31:57 <gustavopinto> #agreed
14:31:58 <MarcosS> o
14:32:00 <MarcosS> ok
14:32:10 <stoney> Sabine usually #agreed is followed by what the group has agreed to or decided :)
14:32:12 <Samah> #agreed
14:32:13 <MarcosS> #agreed
14:32:15 * SaraRoman #agreed
14:32:17 <stoney> :)
14:32:46 <stoney> At the end of the meeting, I encourage everyone to inspect the minutes... that will give you a better idea of each command and what they do :)
14:32:54 * SaraRoman #agreed to next topic
14:32:55 <stoney> OK... so HFOSS projects...
14:33:03 <Deepti> what is the use of #action?
14:34:18 <hislopg> deepti (from the meetbot doc):  #action - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are case-sensitive)
14:34:56 <stoney> So during Stage 1 you'll be looking at different HFOSS projects
14:35:26 <Samah> My question is what do we do with those?
14:35:41 * SaraRoman hislop is that to have the list os tasks TODO and who will do them ?
14:35:43 <stoney> During Stage 2 (the face to face meeting in Italy) you'll have a chance to meet with others who are considering using the same project
14:36:25 <MarcosS> I like I like #link https://sahanafoundation.org/ project
14:36:45 <stoney> The stage 1 activities direct you to a few projects that past POSSE alumni have had success with
14:36:48 <hislopg> SaraRoman:  yes - it creates a "to do" list item in the meeting summary
14:37:01 <stoney> MarcosS great!
14:37:02 <Samah> Ok so I choose a project in HFOSS ... what is expected? Am I going to join in and contribute or are we just talking technical
14:37:37 <stoney> MarcosS also #link only works if it is the first word in your message.... zodbot is too "lazy" to look at the rest of the line :)
14:38:04 <MarcosS> Ah, ok
14:38:26 <gtorta> stoney: should we choose among the "short list" of just 4-5 projects, right?
14:38:39 <stoney> Samah that's the idea... it's easier to guide students into a project if you are engaged or have some understanding of the project and its culture
14:38:53 <Sabine> Makes sense
14:39:41 <darci> Over time, we as a team have developed some familiarity with these projects...it helps when introducing new faculty to a project
14:39:42 <Samah> Ok sounds good
14:39:42 <stoney> gtorta yes; although we are open to other projects, we like to direct folks to a set of projects so that they can form support groups around those projects
14:40:33 <gtorta> ok!
14:40:36 <darci> And allows faculty to develop activities around a project together!
14:40:48 <stoney> Right... which is the idea behind stage 3
14:41:08 <MarcosS> ok
14:41:09 <stoney> Other questions, thoughts, comments about HFOSS projects?
14:41:37 <stoney> darci anything I forgot?
14:41:42 <darci> You will be looking at some of these as you work through the stage 1 activities.
14:42:14 <darci> You don't have to have one selected at this point, but might be thinking about which one would work best in your environment.
14:42:15 <gustavopinto> do these projects have an active community behind them?
14:42:37 * SaraRoman I understand at this stage is only to have an overall look at them and then we will go into deeper aspects along this course
14:42:42 <stoney> gustavopinto Yes, the ones we typically direct folks towards do
14:43:14 <Sabine> What about the Sugar Lab project?
14:43:37 <stoney> gustavopinto we believe it is important that an HFOSS project have an active community... students gain the most when engaged in an active community
14:44:03 <gustavopinto> sure thing
14:44:39 <MarcosS> Is there any minimum time commitment for teh students to work in the project? Or is requiered a minimum number of students involved?
14:44:48 <darci> Sabine: Do you have a particular question about the Sugar Lab project?
14:44:54 <hislopg> A quick question for everyone:  Could you check your email and see if you've gotten a wiki account ID and password?
14:44:58 <Samah> so is our involvement in the form of providing feedback on the programing aspect or is it really contributing to that project practically
14:45:12 <stoney> gustavopinto for example... I've worked on GNOME MouseTrap, but it does not have an active development community... so we don't tend to direct people to that project
14:45:35 <Deepti> yes I just received a mail on account details for wiki
14:45:36 <hislopg> The email issue here has been fixed (at least locally)... look to see if you have an email with a subject like:  Account creation for Foss2Serve
14:45:46 <stoney> MarcosS It's up to your class...
14:45:52 <hislopg> Deepti:  thanks!
14:45:53 <BernardoNunes> Yes, I got the email too
14:45:54 * SaraRoman hislopg yes
14:46:06 <MarcosS> stoney ok
14:46:09 <ajan> hislopg: not yet
14:46:18 <GaborL> hislopg: not yet
14:46:19 <MarcosS> hislopg, i have it
14:46:24 <stoney> MarcosS we will be discussing issues like "should I unleash 50 students on an HFOSS project" during stage 2 ....
14:46:27 <gustavopinto> hislopg: I just received
14:46:38 <gtorta> hislopg: got it too!
14:46:43 <Sabine> darci: Is that a project with an active community? And are there any further information available as on the website?
14:46:46 <hislopg> OK... sorry for the distraction on the IM...  I'll send a general email to the group.
14:47:46 <stoney> MarcosS But the short answer is "probably not without a representative in the development community who is willing to take them on; or some other way to make it more tractable for the community to work with your students"
14:47:58 <stoney> MarcosS ok... maybe not such a short answer :)
14:48:01 <darci> Sabine: I believe the project has many "sub projects" and yes, I believe that it is active across these "sub projects"
14:48:10 <hislopg> Sabine: Sugar Labs has had some ups and downs since the One Laptop Per Child effort faded.  If you're interested in Sugar Labs in particular we could inquire as to status
14:48:52 * stoney looks at the clock
14:48:52 <hislopg> Sabine:  you could also use the HFOSS project evaluation approach we have in our learning activities and do an evaluation of Sugar Labs :-)
14:48:59 <Sabine> hislopg: that would be great because I think this could be a perfect match for FH Kiel
14:49:02 <Samah> Yes I got the email and I can now log into Wiki
14:49:08 <stoney> Before we run out of time...
14:49:16 <MarcosS> stoney, :)
14:49:33 <stoney> We want to remind everyone to log your progress in the Google Sheet we sent out....
14:49:38 * stoney looks for link
14:50:26 <Sabine> hislopg: got the mail
14:50:27 <stoney> darci do you have the link handy? or anyone?
14:50:39 * darci looking
14:51:13 <ajan> I am not sure that it is a good idea to post that link in the notes that go public
14:51:16 <stoney> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Fs5rTu6ltChsIfk3ywk0BfL0YAaKqMDgMAHspiuXM0/edit#gid=0
14:51:17 <ajan> since anyone can edit
14:51:28 <stoney> true... too late :)
14:51:36 <Samah> lol ...
14:51:49 <stoney> I got it from the minutes from our last meeting
14:51:58 <stoney> which is posted to the wiki
14:52:07 <stoney> so it's already in the wild :)
14:52:14 <stoney> but thanks for the warning ajan ! :)
14:52:43 <stoney> if we start seeing spam... we'll figure out something ... for now, I'll be optimistic :)
14:53:02 <ajan> i like to have an open process approach :)
14:53:08 <stoney> Anything else?
14:53:13 <stoney> ajan ;)
14:53:27 <gtorta> I am waiting since a couple of days for acceptance into TOS... is it normal?
14:53:31 <ajan> what is expected in the end with the project involvement
14:53:50 <Sabine> gtorta: me too
14:54:01 <darci> We can look into this, not sure,
14:54:10 <hislopg> gtorta: are you referring to the TOS web site?
14:54:16 <gtorta> Sabine: ok, so I not the only one :-)
14:54:23 <gtorta> hislopg: yes
14:54:29 <ajan> i know it's lot of work for some one to become a committer in some project
14:54:33 <stoney> ajan Nothing is expected... we hope that you will find that exposing your students to an HFOSS project would be useful to your class... in which case you'll determine the level of involvement for your students
14:54:49 <hislopg> gtorta: those approvals are happening pretty quickly... I'll check for you and Sabine
14:55:00 <gtorta> hislopg: thanks!
14:55:07 <Sabine> hislopg: thanks
14:55:21 <MarcosS> #agreed with stoney
14:55:21 <stoney> ajan right... but their are easier ways to contribute to a project.... like reporting a but... testing a bug... fixing documentation... etc
14:55:34 <ajan> hislopg: i have not received anything from the tos website registration too, but I am in the mailing list
14:55:39 <stoney> *bug
14:56:04 <stoney> ajan we'll have more on this in stage 2
14:56:08 <ajan> stoney: OK
14:56:15 <hislopg> ajan: I'll check
14:56:40 <stoney> I'll entertain a motion to adjurn
14:57:27 <gustavopinto> sorry. my internet is really bad now :(
14:57:33 <stoney> wow... usually someone jumps on that :)
14:57:44 <stoney> OK... I'm going to end the meeting
14:57:58 <stoney> but feel free to hang out and talk, ask questions, etc.
14:58:07 <darci> Thanks stoney!
14:58:07 <stoney> Thanks all for attending!
14:58:09 <hislopg> gtorta, Sabine, ajan: you are listed as TOS members...might you have missed the email?
14:58:09 <stoney> #endmeeting