13:00:42 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 3.1
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13:00:49 <stoney> #chair lorip
13:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: lorip stoney
13:01:01 <stoney> Welcome to our third IRC meeting!
13:01:14 <stoney> #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
13:01:30 <stoney> #topic Roll Call
13:01:39 <stoney> If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info up your name and institution.
13:01:47 <stoney> Please remember all meetbot commands must appear first on a line.
13:02:00 <stoney> So the #info meetbot command must appear first.
13:02:06 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University
13:02:28 <Kchahal> #info kuljit Kaur Chahal,  Guru Nanak Dev University, India
13:02:35 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, NY - I'm part of the POSSE organizing team
13:02:35 <giatorta> #info Gianluca Torta, Università di Torino
13:02:41 <Deepti> #info Deepti Reddy, SIES Graduate School of Technology, University of Mumbai.
13:02:42 <stoney> welcome Kchahal !
13:02:48 <stoney> welcome lorip !
13:02:55 <stoney> welcome glikins !
13:03:15 <stoney> welcome giatorta !
13:03:23 <stoney> (oops sorry glikins :))
13:03:33 <stoney> welcom Deepti !
13:03:44 <stoney> see... I'm not a bot! I make lots of mistakes :)
13:04:09 <lorip> our agenda can be found at
13:04:11 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
13:04:19 <stoney> so there's about 5 of us then
13:04:44 <stoney> #topic  Discuss progress on Stage 1 activities
13:04:55 <stoney> #link Stage 1 Activities http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities#Part_C:_Third_Two_Weeks
13:05:12 <stoney> For quick reference, there is a link to the stage 1 activities
13:05:30 <stoney> A quick reminder, please continue to log feedback in the activity evaluation spreadsheet
13:05:35 <stoney> #link POSSE Activity Evalution https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Fs5rTu6ltChsIfk3ywk0BfL0YAaKqMDgMAHspiuXM0/edit#gid=0
13:05:47 <stoney> So... how are folks doing on the activiies?
13:06:00 <stoney> questions? comments? thoughts?
13:06:09 <giatorta> I have finisshed activities 1B, but I have yet to start activities 1C
13:07:00 * stoney refreshing himself on those activities
13:07:13 <Deepti> I have completed till part B activities.
13:07:13 <Kchahal_> Working on identifying activities for students to contribute to hfoss
13:07:37 <Kchahal_> I am also done with stage b
13:07:44 <lorip> the github activity will be used in the face to face meeting - you will need git installed on your computer
13:07:55 <stoney> Good... so the FOSS field trip and about to work on the bug tracker activity, got it
13:08:30 <lorip> that's great that you've gotten through part B - any questions or problems?
13:09:43 <lorip> the foss in courses 2 activity in part c is a continuation of what you did in part b
13:09:55 <giatorta> would you suggest to sign-up for more than one course?
13:10:13 <lorip> no, we would prefer you sign up for only 1 course
13:10:28 <giatorta> lorip ok
13:10:32 <Kchahal_> What are we supposed to do in this activity?
13:10:37 <lorip> giatorta - I'm assuming you mean for the stage 2 groups, correct?
13:10:48 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
13:11:10 <giatorta> lorip yes
13:11:10 <giatorta> lorip yes
13:11:21 <stoney> Kchahal_ which, b.4? c.3?
13:11:22 <lorip> kchahal_ which activity?
13:11:46 <Kchahal_> The courses that we are signing up for.
13:12:17 <Kchahal_> Like I opted for object oriented design.
13:12:30 <lorip> kachahal_ we want you to sign up for the course you are most likely to use HFOSS in next year - this will help us form groups when we meet in Bologna
13:12:49 <stoney> this will help us form some initial groups
13:12:57 <lorip> that is all we are asking for in the sign up oage
13:13:01 <Kchahal_> Ok
13:13:04 <lorip> oops, page not oage
13:13:23 <stoney> we just want folks to start thinking about where they might use HFOSS
13:13:36 <lorip> but there are two activities in stage 1 (B.4 and C.3) where you will outline what you hope to do in that course
13:13:43 <lorip> kchahal_ does that help?
13:13:46 <stoney> and then during stage 2, you'll have a chance to discuss with like minded instructors
13:14:47 * stoney getting nervous/excited about traveling to Italy!
13:14:53 <Kchahal_> Yes it is ok now
13:15:14 * lorip bummed that I won't be joining everyone in Bologna
13:15:31 <stoney> :(
13:15:36 <stoney> we'll miss you lorip
13:15:38 <stoney> :)
13:16:05 <Kchahal_> yes waiting for visa
13:16:30 <stoney> Kchahal_ do you have a sense of how long that will take?
13:17:00 <stoney> (since we are slipping in to stage 2 discussion... I'll go ahead and change the topic)
13:17:04 <stoney> #topic Stage 2
13:17:10 <lorip> one of the partc C activities is an intro to github - who is familiar with github?
13:17:33 <giatorta> I am quite familiar, at least to a basic level
13:18:07 <Kchahal_> Basic level only
13:18:07 <stoney> good giatorta !
13:18:08 <lorip> giatorta - that's great!
13:18:22 <lorip> deepti - any github experience?
13:18:30 <Deepti> not much.
13:18:35 <stoney> by the way, familiarity beyond what the activities have you do is not expected/required
13:18:43 <stoney> we'll go into more depth in Stage 2
13:19:20 <stoney> hi heidi !
13:19:22 <lorip> yes - we find that git/github is often one of the topics that people struggle with understanding
13:19:49 <giatorta> I guess 99% of FOSS projects are now on GitHub... is it correct?
13:19:58 <lorip> kchahal_ do you know how long it may take to get your visa?
13:20:07 <heidi> Hi folks
13:20:20 <giatorta> hi heidi
13:20:22 <stoney> giatorta, newer projects are more frequently on github yes... but
13:20:26 <Kchahal_> Probably 10 days..expecting by 23rd june
13:20:27 <Deepti> hi Heidi
13:20:34 <lorip> giatorta - I think it is less than 99% but, yes lots are on github
13:20:39 <stoney> many existing projects are not
13:20:39 <heidi> Gladd to see everyone
13:20:47 <Kchahal_> Hello Heidi
13:20:54 <stoney> they often have their own server and may use other tools
13:21:09 <lorip> kchahal_ glad to hear it should be soon!
13:21:15 <stoney> for example, GNOME does not use GitHub
13:21:25 <Kchahal_> Thanks lorip
13:21:36 <giatorta> stoney: ok intersting
13:21:59 <lorip> let's go back for a moment to stage 1 b.4
13:22:04 <stoney> giatorta one reason some projects avoid GitHub is because GitHub is not itself open source
13:22:17 <lorip> what courses do people plan to use HFOSS in?
13:22:52 <giatorta> stoney right... we use a local "gitlab" at my Uni, that should be OS
13:23:40 <Deepti> I am planning to start with FOSS in Data Structures course at second year level.
13:24:00 <lorip> deepti how do you plan to incorporate it?
13:24:01 <giatorta> #info I plan to use HFOSS in Software Engineering
13:24:08 <Kchahal_> I want to put it in various courses..like course on programming languages,  data structures,  distributed software dev
13:24:12 <stoney> giatorta yes GitLab is becoming an increasingly popular alternative to GitHub... now that they also provide hosting, its a great way to get started if you are an open source purist
13:24:34 <lorip> giatorta - software engineering is a popular course to integrate HFOSS into
13:25:08 <lorip> kchahal_ I'd recommend concentrating on one initially - which do you think is the best place to start?
13:25:09 * stoney will stop hijacking the conversation :)
13:25:19 <giatorta> lorip: yes... I just have to better figure out how to do it!
13:25:27 <Deepti> lorip, I am planning to first train them in Linux command- writing C code, compiling, installing packages, etc.
13:25:42 <Kchahal_> At the beginning level, for familiarity with coding styles
13:26:33 <lorip> giatorta - our team can help with that - stoney has used it in software engineering as has greg - we also have a number of US faculty teaching software engineering with HFOSS
13:26:57 <giatorta> lorip: great!
13:27:01 <stoney> Kchahal_ I too am thinking about programming languages as I'm prepping a PL course for the first time this fall... but I'm not sure how or where HFOSS fits there... if you have thoughts on it, I'd be interested in hearing them.
13:27:05 <lorip> deepti - so are you looking for them to install an HFOSS project?  if so, which one?
13:27:15 <Kchahal_> At advanced level, contributing code, testing, understanding distributed team structure
13:28:05 <stoney> lorip giatorta Heidi has also used HFOSS in a SE course
13:28:17 <stoney> giatorta so lots of support there
13:28:24 <lorip> kchahal_ are you thinking about having students read through code from a specific project to help them understand coding styles, documentation, etc?  if so, which project are you thinking of?
13:28:47 <Kchahal_> Yes
13:28:48 <lorip> kchahal_ what language(s) do you teach in this course?
13:28:50 <Kchahal_> I am exploring OpenMRS
13:28:53 <giatorta> stoney: happy to hear it
13:29:22 <Deepti> Maybe at the end of course, if I can find a small FOSS project to give as case study to students.
13:29:28 <Kchahal_> C++ java
13:29:38 <lorip> kchahal_ OpenMRS has a large code base so you should be able to find lots of examples - sounds interesting!
13:29:56 <Kchahal_> I think we should familiarize students at various stages
13:30:18 <heidi> giatorta, http://mars.wne.edu/~hellis/CS490/index%20fa14.html
13:30:23 <Kchahal_> Rather than taking te topic in one course
13:30:28 <giatorta> Kchahal_: I think OpenMRS is mostly Java
13:30:29 <lorip> kchahal_ I agree - trying to weave HFOSS throughout the curriculum is a great idea
13:30:52 <lorip> stoney heidi - do you know of any projects that use C++?
13:31:00 <Kchahal_> Yes java is the main language of the project
13:31:47 <Deepti> even I am interested in projects implemented in C to give as case study.
13:31:50 <lorip> deepti I'll be interested to hear more about how you might incorporate a case study
13:32:20 <giatorta> heidi: thank you I will be looking at the page... btw, how many hours is the class? We have about 72
13:32:23 <stoney> lorip off the top of my head, no... but I would start by looking at GNOME accessibility... I suspect most of their projects are C++
13:32:51 <Kchahal_> I will prefer program reading at the beginner level
13:32:55 <Deepti> I was planning to make students familarize with coding styles, documentation, libraries used, etc.
13:32:58 <lorip> deepti - have you found a project in C?
13:33:01 <heidi> giatorta, class meets twice a week for 75 minutes for 15 weeks.
13:33:42 <giatorta> heidi: ok!
13:33:58 <lorip> giatorta - the capstone courses or software development from this page may be helpful
13:33:58 <Deepti> Lorip, I am still searching for project in C.
13:33:58 <heidi> giatorta, And students are required to do ~5 hours of homework.
13:34:05 <stoney> (great discussion!!!!)
13:34:09 <Kchahal_> Introducing humanitarian projects will be a great idea
13:34:09 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Category:Courses
13:35:28 <lorip> deepti - this page may help
13:35:30 <stoney> did my comment about "discussion" kill the discussion? :)
13:35:31 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects
13:36:09 <giatorta> lorip great resource, will look at the capstones there
13:36:10 <Deepti> yes looks interesting, thanks for the link :)
13:36:40 <stoney> So shall we talk more about stage 2 related stuff?
13:37:00 * lorip thinking we should move on to stage 2
13:37:07 <stoney> #topic Stage 2
13:37:25 <lorip> if you haven't already signed up for groups - 1 project and 1 course - please do so here
13:37:33 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
13:37:39 <lorip> oops, wrong link
13:37:49 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
13:37:53 <lorip> is the correct one
13:38:20 <lorip> it looks like all of you already have...
13:38:38 <lorip> questions about stage 2?
13:39:45 <giatorta> can you link to the schedule?
13:40:07 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
13:40:12 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
13:40:16 <stoney> oops :)
13:40:17 <stoney> lol
13:40:35 <stoney> doubly linked :)
13:40:40 <giatorta> lol
13:40:40 <lorip> coordination is tough on IRC! :)
13:40:59 <lorip> when are people arriving?
13:41:01 <stoney> especially when I don't read other posts first :)
13:41:31 * lorip thinking I should look at the sheet with everyone's travel info
13:41:40 <Kchahal_> Arriving on 30th
13:42:05 <lorip> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MO5iR9VImitx942DYd21V9O4y0Dqkp02OzT8h6SgKXQ
13:42:25 <lorip> looks like all of you arrive on the 30th...
13:43:09 <Kchahal_> Is it poßaible to arrange accommodation in the university Campus?
13:43:11 <Kchahal_> Possible
13:43:42 <lorip> I'm not sure what people have done for local arrangements - heidi, stoney?
13:43:57 <Kchahal_> My major concern :)
13:44:00 <heidi> We are meeting at University of Bologna.
13:44:01 <stoney> I am at a hotel close to the campus
13:44:14 <Kchahal_> Which one?
13:44:21 <stoney> Staying at Albergo Rossini 1936
13:44:32 <Kchahal_> Ok Thanks
13:44:32 <lorip> heidi - yes, but are there suggested hotels through ITiCSE?
13:44:40 <heidi> Participants need to make their own hotel reservations.
13:45:01 <heidi> Yes, I suggested using the ITiCSe list.
13:45:06 <heidi> But many of those are full.
13:45:06 <lorip> #link http://iticse.acm.org/accommodation/
13:45:26 <heidi> I used hotels.com or one of those sites.
13:45:45 <Deepti> Most of the nearby hotels are full, so I booked through Airbnb.
13:46:33 <lorip> other questions?
13:46:43 <giatorta> I booked Almarossa, not far from University (and train station)... but it was few weeks ago
13:47:27 <giatorta> WiFi is provided I guess
13:47:56 <stoney> what building/room are we in? and is there a map of the campus somewhere?
13:49:01 <Kchahal_> Yes the exact location of the meeting?
13:49:23 <stoney> lorip heidi Will Greg be sending details by email like he usually does?
13:49:35 <lorip> stoney - that is my assumption
13:49:55 <heidi> University of Bologna, Belmeloro Complex, Building A
13:50:06 <heidi> Address: Belmeloro 14, Bologna Ital
13:50:19 <heidi> #link  https://eventi.unibo.it/iticse2017
13:50:29 <heidi> Unfortunately we don't know the exact room.
13:51:51 <lorip> we are getting close to the end of the hour - other questions about stage 2?
13:51:55 <Deepti> do we have to install and understand the project for which we have signed in stage 2.
13:52:32 <lorip> it would be helpful to try to install the project's development environment before coming but we don't want to you spend a huge amount of time
13:52:51 <lorip> I'd suggest spending about an hour so you have a sense of the complexity of the project installation process
13:53:03 <stoney> That way you'll have a better idea what you are getting into, and what questions to ask
13:53:21 <lorip> please make sure that you do have git installed on your machine and that you know your github username and password
13:53:39 <Deepti> ok thanks lorip and stiny.
13:53:42 <stoney> yes... we'll be using Git and GitHub in stage 2
13:54:09 <lorip> as you work through section c please make sure you continue to log your progress in the spreadsheet
13:54:43 <stoney> So I think we are at the end of the agenda... and pretty much out of time
13:54:45 <lorip> other questions?
13:55:37 <giatorta> will you write with info where we meet on July 1?
13:55:39 <lorip> ok then - safe travels everyone - please let us know if you have any questions?
13:56:16 <stoney> Greg will send out an email with final details
13:56:30 <lorip> giatorta - we typically send an email once we have all the local information - I'm not sure what the internet access will be, but I expect that Greg will send out an email
13:56:36 <giatorta> great! thank you
13:57:00 <stoney> alright then
13:57:04 <stoney> thanks all for coming
13:57:08 <giatorta> lorip thanks
13:57:08 <stoney> talk to you soon
13:57:19 <stoney> #endmeeting