14:59:33 <stoney> #startmeeting IRC 3, Session 1, POSSE 2018-06
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14:59:40 <stoney> Welcome all
14:59:51 <stoney> our agenda is here...
14:59:54 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
15:00:33 <stoney> This will our first of our last series of IRCs before we meet face-to-face in Drexel
15:00:38 <stoney> how exciting!
15:01:09 <stoney> So to start... can everyone please #info name - organization for the record?
15:01:27 <jfoster> #info James Foster, Walla Walla University
15:01:30 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson - Western New England University
15:01:37 <stoney> thanks and welcome James!
15:01:53 <LinDeng> #info Lin Deng, Towson University
15:01:55 <bo> #info Bo Kim - Southern New Hampshire University
15:02:05 <stoney> thanks and welcom Lin and Bo!
15:02:30 <stoney> that might be all that will be participating today
15:03:00 <stoney> Becka may be joining us a bit late... she emailed me that she's running a little behind today
15:03:26 <stoney> So let's work down our agenda
15:03:31 <stoney> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
15:03:48 <stoney> #topic Discuss progress
15:04:18 <stoney> How are folks doing on the stage 1 activities? And have you been providing feedback in the logs?
15:04:30 <jfoster> I’ve completed Stage 1B and updated the spreadsheet.
15:04:31 <stoney> #info logs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hG45B8aK4A7JaSDx4PE3UvXQNMw6Ph-iE53YqvMOrWQ/edit?ts=5ae33a5d#gid=0
15:04:39 <stoney> great!
15:05:00 <stoney> also, what questions do you have?
15:05:12 <stoney> are things going smoothly?
15:05:21 <LinDeng> Stage 1b is done, will get 1c done this week.
15:05:56 <stoney> excellent
15:05:57 <jfoster> The information might be out there for me to read, but I’m still a bit vague on our selection of a project and how that impacts the events at the meetings.
15:06:43 <bo> i am a bit behind with stage 1B. just completed FOSS field trip activity. will catch up this week.
15:06:56 <stoney> during the face-to-face, some of the activities are better done in groups organized around the same project or around the same course
15:07:21 <stoney> that's the purpose of selecting projects and courses from the perspective of the face-to-face meeting
15:07:37 <jfoster> Sure, but does that imply that we know the code and are familiar with the project?
15:08:11 <stoney> the larger purpose is that we try to build communities around certain projects so that POSSE alumni can help each other
15:08:16 <stoney> no
15:08:32 <stoney> you don't need to know the gory details of a project yet
15:08:51 <bo> good to know.
15:09:02 <stoney> just a general sense of the project: what language is it in, where the main site is, etc...
15:09:08 <LinDeng> On stage 2 groups page, it says "Note that the projects below are less likely to be covered in this POSSE"
15:09:31 <LinDeng> does it mean we should not choose OpenMRS or Mifos or Sahana?
15:10:12 <stoney> @bo awesome, glad you are making progress and you have a plan to complete the stage 1 activities
15:10:14 <jfoster> Okay. So one goal is for us to develop relationships that foster future collaboration on this particular project? While that sounds nice it does seem a bit limiting based on the number of projects available to us here and the number of projects in the rest of the world.
15:10:16 <Heidiellis> jfoster, The project selection exercise is there to help guide how to explore a project and become familiar with key characteristics.
15:10:53 <Heidiellis> jfoster, We have found it helpful to have another faculty member who is familiar with the project to whom to ask questions.
15:11:12 <Heidiellis> jfoster, This doesn't mean you have to stick with that project for ever or even after POSSE stage 2.
15:11:19 <jfoster> If it is more “how to explore a project” then it seems like it is more focused on skills that can be transplanted to other OS projects.
15:11:42 <Heidiellis> jfoster, :-) We're simply trying to encourage folks to talk with one another.
15:12:00 <stoney> LinDeng we try to have someone available during stage 2 who is familiar with various projects... those that are in the "less likely" category means we may not have such a person available in this way
15:12:01 <jfoster> I’m part of a few OSS projects and don’t really see myself shifting to one of the 2-3 introduced here.
15:12:25 <Heidiellis> jfoster, Generally, the goal of POSSE is to help faculty understand how FOSS works, how to get started and how to get students involved.
15:12:51 <LinDeng> OK, got it. Thanks, stoney
15:13:08 <jfoster> Thanks. That is what I initially understood and was a bit unsure of how much I was expected to work with these projects after the conference.
15:13:08 <stoney> @LinDeng we still want to know your interest, and we'll see what we can do about making it possible to organize groups around those projects during the face-to-face if there is enough interest
15:13:13 <Heidiellis> jfoster, It sounds like you're already well along that path so while we'd like you to decide on a project for POSSE stage 2, we don't expect you to stick with it.
15:13:25 <Heidiellis> jfoster, Ah, no requirement. :-)
15:13:45 <stoney> these are GREAT questions... exactly what you should be thinking about at this point!
15:14:25 <Heidiellis> We have found that folks need to figure out which projects work for them and their environments. Faculty tend to look for projects that use programming languages that their students know or are related to a domain with which they are familiar.
15:14:44 <stoney> Speaking of...
15:14:54 <stoney> let's move to the next agenda item
15:14:56 <Heidiellis> We have found that the "H" in HFOSS is helpful for attracting women and underrepresented groups.
15:15:00 <stoney> #topic Discuss the results of B.4 and C.3
15:15:09 <stoney> These are about course planning
15:16:20 <stoney> These activities have you begin to think about how you might incorporate these projects and HFOSS into a course
15:16:30 <stoney> What are people thinking about at this point?
15:18:00 <stoney> Meaning... what courses are folks thinking of targeting for HFOSS?
15:18:41 * stoney is a buzzkill
15:18:46 <LinDeng> I am having a 400 level software engineering course and another 400 level OO programming course
15:19:19 <Heidiellis> LinDeng, Is 400-level what we would call "senior" or 4th year?
15:19:29 <bo> we have a couple of software engineering project courses that run a year-long, at both 200 and 300 levels.
15:19:34 <LinDeng> one activity I am planning to do is to let students read some code and construct UML diagrams
15:19:37 <jfoster> As described in an earlier chat meeting we assign an OSS project in our first-year survey class and had some good responses. One of the most encouraging results is that the students typically got very quick feedback from the project owners. “I submitted a change and it was accepted in three hours!”
15:19:39 <stoney> SE is usually a natural fit
15:19:40 <LinDeng> yes, most of them are senior
15:20:21 <LinDeng> I also have a graduate level software testing course
15:20:33 <stoney> ooo... testing could be fun!
15:20:41 <Heidiellis> jfoster, That's cool!
15:20:51 <LinDeng> I am planning to have students diagnose and fix bugs in open source projects
15:21:04 <stoney> could get a bug report and design a test that would reproduce it!
15:21:13 <LinDeng> or, at least create some test cases
15:21:13 <stoney> exactly!
15:21:22 <stoney> that sounds awesome!
15:21:28 <Heidiellis> jfoster, I'm starting to think that community responsiveness in the manner that you describe should be a key decision criteria about an HFOSS project.
15:21:34 <jfoster> Most of our student submissions were along the lines of documentation changes. Student: “I’m having trouble installing this software.” Me: “Then when you figure it out submit corrections and additions to the install instructions.”
15:21:35 <Heidiellis> LinDeng, Yes!
15:21:54 <Heidiellis> LinDeng, Note that there are some testing exercises on the foss2serve site.
15:22:16 <jfoster> Yes, community responsiveness is a key. I encourage them to read through some recent commits and look at the comments back and forth.
15:22:24 <LinDeng> Thanks, Heidiellis and stoney
15:22:25 <Heidiellis> jfoster, Yes, super!  This is really typical.
15:22:34 <Heidiellis> Yes, good.
15:22:43 <Heidiellis> jfoster, Which open source projects are you involved with?
15:22:59 <LinDeng> yes, I saw some example activities, those are very helpful!
15:23:40 <stoney> cool!
15:24:22 <stoney> Sounds like we can move on to the next topic
15:24:30 <stoney> #topic Sign up for Stage 2 groups
15:24:31 <jfoster> Our students got to pick their own projects with some suggestions provided. We use Submitty for grading in our C++ class and a couple looked at issues there. A couple guys chose gaming platforms. And a couple chose projects from educational software.
15:24:39 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
15:24:53 <stoney> oops sorry... feel free to keep discussing course ideas!
15:24:53 <Heidiellis> Ah, Wes Turner who runs RCOS which oversees Submitty is a POSSE alum.
15:25:01 <Heidiellis> We just saw him this past weekend.
15:25:15 <Heidiellis> I can put you in contact with him if you are not already.
15:25:33 <jfoster> Heidiellis, that would be nice.
15:25:42 <stoney> Besides, I think we already talked about this.... if you haven't done so, please sign up for a project and a course
15:25:52 <stoney> hi becka !
15:26:15 <becka> Sorry for the tardiness. eastern time vs pacific time
15:26:20 <becka> :(
15:26:29 <becka> Good morning all
15:26:34 <stoney> no problem
15:26:56 <jfoster> Do you have a link handy for the sign-up page? I’m pretty sure I did so but want to confirm.
15:27:00 <stoney> we are working our way through the agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
15:27:22 <jfoster> http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups is on the agenda. Got it!
15:27:25 <stoney> jfoster yup... it's the link I posted just before that last one
15:27:44 <stoney> you got it
15:27:48 <Heidiellis> :-)
15:28:30 <stoney> so we talked about this a little earlier in the meeting... does anyone have any other questions about the stage 2 groups?
15:28:36 <stoney> or should we move on?
15:29:35 <stoney> reading silence...
15:29:40 <bo> no questions for now.
15:29:45 <stoney> let's move on :)
15:29:49 <jfoster> fine
15:30:09 <stoney> #topic Enter your arrival and departure times in the POSSE Travel Arrangement Google Sheet
15:30:20 <stoney> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r4gMu4uDE57nbM2iHSaWn5UXpaHWhyf_ddBL5Qm1qBg/edit#gid=0
15:30:49 <stoney> Just a reminder if you haven't done so, please enter your arrival and departure times in that sheet
15:31:09 <stoney> Has everyone made their arrangements and ready to go?
15:31:22 <becka> yep :)
15:31:23 <bo> yes-
15:31:25 <jfoster> yes
15:31:35 <stoney> :)
15:31:36 <Heidiellis> Super!
15:31:41 <stoney> Questions?
15:31:42 <LinDeng> yep
15:31:49 <stoney> :)
15:31:53 <bo> how is transportation from the airport to the school?
15:32:56 <jfoster> There are some transportation notes on a document titled “Useful Information for Attendees” (I’m looking for the link).
15:33:00 <stoney> I'm not sure... Heidiellis has Greg sent out an email with details about how to get around?
15:33:08 <Heidiellis> :-) Yes, you got it jfoster
15:33:30 <stoney> let's get that link in the minutes
15:33:58 <bo> okay- i will look at the notes. thanks!
15:34:19 <stoney> anyone find that link yet?
15:34:23 <Heidiellis> Generally we'd like folks who are arriving at the same location at the same time to car pool if possible.
15:34:32 <jfoster> Email on May 16 from Gregory Hislop.
15:34:47 <stoney> ah... in an email
15:35:04 <Heidiellis> I'm going to bow out now and go afk. Looking forward to seeing everyone in a week!
15:35:07 <jfoster> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/posse-2018-06/fMEOQ67BHwg/rx5nNJ5-AgAJ
15:35:32 <stoney> jfoster you're good!
15:35:38 <stoney> #link https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/posse-2018-06/fMEOQ67BHwg/rx5nNJ5-AgAJ
15:35:48 <stoney> just using #link to highlight it in the minutes
15:35:52 <stoney> thanks!
15:36:48 <stoney> Now... does that email actually answer your questions?! :)
15:38:30 <stoney> If not, email Greg. Drexel and Phili are his home, so he should be able to provide any answers about local issues
15:38:54 <stoney> So, last topic...
15:39:00 <stoney> #topic Please make sure to arrive at Stage 2 with Git installed on your laptop and having completed C.2.
15:39:23 <stoney> We'll be using git and GitHub for two activities
15:40:00 <stoney> one of the stage 1 activities should have had you install git and create a GitHub account
15:40:07 <stoney> anyone do that one yet?
15:40:31 <jfoster> I’ve already got a GitHub account and git on my laptop.
15:40:39 <bo> had git installed and have a github account.
15:40:39 <stoney> perfect!
15:40:46 <stoney> excellent!
15:41:10 <stoney> LinDeng?
15:41:14 <becka> Awesome
15:41:17 <LinDeng> I have git installed, no problem
15:41:22 <becka> :)
15:41:29 <LinDeng> I teach it in my software engineering class :-)
15:41:30 <stoney> Awesome!
15:41:58 <becka> That's great
15:42:00 <stoney> In that case, we'll have you run the activities in stage 2 :)
15:42:00 <stoney> j/k :)
15:42:10 <LinDeng> no problem :-)
15:42:18 <becka> Don't put me out of a job yet :D
15:42:20 <stoney> I'm sure you could
15:42:25 <stoney> lol
15:43:01 <stoney> So I think we are at the end of our agenda
15:43:19 <stoney> does anyone have any questions or topics they'd like to discuss?
15:44:06 <stoney> going once...
15:44:18 <stoney> going twice...
15:44:21 <stoney> :)
15:44:40 <stoney> In that case... I'll consider silence as a motion to adjourn
15:44:42 <becka> I am looking forward to meeting everyone in Philly. See you then
15:44:53 <bo> thank you. looking forward to meeting you all next week.
15:44:54 <stoney> I can't wait to meet you all in person!
15:44:55 <LinDeng> thanks!
15:45:04 <stoney> #endmeeting