15:02:49 #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 1.3 15:02:49 Meeting started Fri Nov 16 15:02:49 2018 UTC. 15:02:49 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:02:49 The chair is Heidiellis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:49 The meeting name has been set to 'posse_meeting_1.3' 15:03:11 Welcome to our first IRC meeting! 15:03:40 Let's start with introductions. Let's go in alphabetical order by nick name. 15:03:51 Please use the #info command so that the bot logs the content. 15:03:56 I guess that makes me first. 15:03:58 #topic Introductions 15:04:05 #info Chris Merlo, Nassau Community College 15:04:07 Go for it cmerlo 15:04:26 Oh! I'm next! 15:04:47 Heidi Ellis from Western New England University and I'm one of the foss2serve team members running POSSE. 15:04:51 #info: Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College (Allentown, PA) - POSSE organizer, POGIL evangelist :-) 15:04:52 Hello 15:04:56 This is Hunter Johnson 15:04:57 #info Heidi Ellis from Western New England University and I'm one of the foss2serve team members running POSSE. 15:05:14 Hi Hunter, if you'd like to change your nick, you may use the /nick command 15:05:36 guessing lorip and mchua are away from keyboard 15:05:41 #info Joanna Klukowska, New York University, this will be my second POSSE 15:05:54 This is Zhanyang Zhang from CUNY College of Staten Island. 15:06:09 Hi Zhanyang, could you please use the #info before your introduction? 15:06:19 This will allow your information to show up in the summarized version of the notes. 15:06:19 Ok 15:06:42 #info This is Zhanyang Zhang from CUNY College of Staten Island. 15:06:52 For example, the raw log of a previous IRC is here: 15:07:03 #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2018-11-14/posse_meeting_1.2.2018-11-14-20.00.log.html 15:07:18 #info This is Hunter Johnson from John Jay College, CUNY 15:07:22 And the "clean" version is here: 15:07:25 #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2018-11-14/posse_meeting_1.2.2018-11-14-20.00.html 15:07:30 Super! 15:07:57 I think we're up to nasonfish 15:07:59 #info This is Sarah Zelikovitz from CSI 15:08:51 spersinger? 15:08:54 #info Sharon Persinger from Bronx Community College, CUNY 15:09:07 didn't want to skip the line 15:09:14 I think that is everyone! :-) 15:09:16 #info Stewart Weiss, Hunter College. 15:09:37 Ah, sorry stewart, didn't mean to forget you! Stewart has also been to a POSSE before. 15:09:54 zodbot is the bot that is capturing this meeting. 15:10:19 Is Lori here yet? 15:10:38 I'm going to change the topic to IRC and Meetbot basics 15:10:44 Lori told me she wouldn't be here today. I wonder if she auto logged in or something. 15:10:48 #topic IRC and Meetbot basics 15:10:56 lorip, are you around? 15:11:17 Typing someone's nick usually "alerts" the person that they are being paged. 15:11:32 Also note that the tab will do autocomplete of nicks in most IRC clients. 15:12:05 Heidiellis, ok trying that! Is this acceptable in IRC chats 15:12:08 I'm going to use a meetbot command and make Clif a chair of this session in addition to mysefl. 15:12:15 sarahzeli, absolutely! 15:12:34 I'm using hexchat and it makes my screen blink and your text shows up in a different color. 15:12:52 #chair ClifKussmaul 15:12:52 Current chairs: ClifKussmaul Heidiellis 15:13:19 I've just added Clif as a chair. This means that he can now control the bot and meeting as well. 15:13:24 (I just used /nick to change my name from kussmaul to ClifKussmaul, since Heidi referred to me as Clif) 15:13:46 What questions do folks have about IRC and/or meetbots? 15:14:23 Should we tag our answer to your question with anything? 15:14:33 Heidiellis: I spent a *lot* of time on IRC during graduate school, but that was a long time ago. 15:14:49 Feel free to tag a question with #info if you'd like. 15:15:07 You can also use things like #action when you've decided to take an action. 15:15:20 #is there any way of copying code or other commands into the IRC 15:15:24 cmerlo, good! IRC hasn't changed. 15:15:46 I am using HexChat 15:15:47 Sarahzelikovitz, the typical convention for most projects is to use something like bitbucket for code snippets. 15:16:12 Heidiellis: These cool auto-logging bots are new, though. Back in my day we had top copy and paste with a mouse! 15:16:13 Rather than using the IRC client itself. Code can get messy in IRC and bitbucket lets a number of people look at the code and discuss. 15:16:27 cmerlo, :-) Right! 15:16:50 One of the reasons that IRC has remained a communication mechanism is because it is simple with low bandwidth. 15:17:13 Can be used in places that have little infrastructure. 15:17:31 Makes sense 15:17:42 Sarahzelikovitz, Did I answer your question? 15:17:46 OK, that makes sense. (this is in response to your answer to me, is there any way to indicate that it is not par of the next discussion on IRC) 15:18:13 Sarahzelikovitz, are you asking if there is a way to keep track of different conversational threads in IRC? 15:18:20 What I mean to ask is, how do we keep multiple conversations organized? 15:18:26 Ah, right. 15:18:30 (with difficulty) 15:18:32 You can have private conversations. 15:18:34 :-) right. 15:18:43 OK, got it! 15:19:11 You can open another channel if need be. 15:19:37 And using someone's nick is customary if two or more conversations are trying to happen at once in one channel. 15:19:45 Zhanyang: any questions about IRC? 15:20:05 HunterJohnson: any questions? 15:20:24 spersinger: any questions? 15:20:41 Not yet. I'm just poking around. If you have any neat tricks to suggest I would be happy to know about them. 15:21:31 I read over the example chats when preparing for this meeting -- but did not realize that I should look at the timestamps to get an idea of the flow of information and how long it takes people to answer questions! Will go back and do that. 15:21:59 The typical culture for IRC is to join a channel and "hang out" while doing other work. 15:22:00 the meeting agenda (on foss2serve) lists some other useful IRC commands, like /help and /me 15:22:25 Hence the use of nicks to get someone's attention when you want to start a conversation. 15:22:46 If I'm online, I always have Hexchat open and I'm always in this room. So you can get ahold of me that way any time. 15:22:53 Can you set you machine to ping if your nickname comes up 15:23:00 Hey, is anyone using a Mac, and have an IRC client that you like? I'm using IRSSI, which is barebones, but ok so far 15:23:17 Sarahzelikovitz, Yes, that will depend on your IRC client and operating system. 15:23:41 Heidiellis, thanks, will look at settings 15:23:52 I like the function which IRC can summarize the meeting conversation and produce an action list. 15:24:03 I once had a student connect pidgin (irc client) to a speech synthesizer, so she could hear who was contacting her 15:24:34 Oh, cool! 15:25:04 Zhanyang, yes, it is a neat function. 15:25:39 IRC lacks some of the features of slack (which isn't open source) and Riot or Gitter. But it is very low bandwidth and many projects remain on IRC. 15:26:59 I'm using Slack with my classes this semester as an experiment. The pinging when you're not actively using the software is a nice feature. 15:27:09 But, it isn't OSS 15:27:50 cmerlo, Right, that is a problem with FOSS purists. 15:27:56 I get it 15:27:59 We also found that slack is not accessible. 15:28:30 Riot looks like a nice project, but I apparently don't have the patience to connect it to IRC 15:28:33 I had a blind student and he couldn't interact with the community because there was no way for him to communicate. 15:28:39 :-) 15:28:41 oh, interesting 15:28:53 Right! 15:29:10 Heidiellis, how did he interact with IRC? 15:29:20 Sarahzelikovitz, command line. 15:29:28 Heidiellis: and it worked ok for him? 15:29:33 He got up and running on IRC in about half an hour. I was amazed. 15:29:37 nice 15:29:38 Yes, it worked really well. 15:29:40 Heidiellis, wow 15:29:47 Heidiellis: do you know what client he used? 15:30:07 He used a command-line approach where he connected directly to the IRC server. 15:30:38 I don't know the details, but I could see if I can find out. He graduated but I can probably track him down. 15:31:09 Are there any questions about the activities? 15:31:33 Just a reminder to please put a sentence or two in the spreadsheet about each activity. 15:31:37 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit#gid=0 15:32:10 This helps us understand where people are and if they have questions. 15:32:16 #topic activities 15:32:39 #info tos The email that I got with the link was in html, tags and all, not sure why 15:33:29 Sarahzelikovitz, Oh, you mean the email from TOS about your account. 15:33:33 Right, I'll look into that. 15:34:05 Heidiellis, yes, sorry if I was not so clear. I was able to find the link and verify my account anyway 15:34:12 Good! 15:34:56 Is everyone able to access the google spreadsheet? 15:35:06 I accessed it 15:35:10 So did I 15:35:12 Good! 15:35:22 me too 15:35:36 Yes, I can and did it 15:35:59 brb 15:36:13 Super. Please do include a sentence or two about each activity as you complete them. 15:36:25 We're really looking forward to meeting everyone face-to-face in January! 15:36:46 sorry about that 15:37:07 cmerlo, No fuss. That is typical IRC interactions. 15:37:28 I'm trying to connect with a gui client and i have no idea what i'm doing :) 15:37:59 :-) Good for you to explore. 15:38:06 OK, are there any other questions? 15:38:28 Is there a way to configure the hostname? I notice that mine exposes my IP and other people have cooler sounding ones. 15:39:02 hunterPidgin, Where is it exposing the host name? 15:39:11 hunterPidgin, I'm guessing this might be a client issue? 15:39:21 Host name: c-24-0-255-115.hsd1.nj.comcast.net 15:39:25 #hunterPidgin how can you tell what your hostname is? 15:39:31 24.0.255.115 is my IP address 15:39:56 stewart's address is Host name: 68.174.192.34 15:39:59 So where are you seeing this? 15:40:01 if I right-click on any name I can get more info about them, including username, server, etc 15:40:04 Oh, I get it. 15:40:07 I think it's WHOIS 15:40:14 Are you on Pidgin? 15:40:20 Yes, and Hexchat :) 15:40:23 Oh, that's now :) 15:40:27 er, that's how 15:40:32 Right. Yes. 15:40:48 hunterPidgin, Are you asking if you can turn that off? I don't think so. 15:41:02 Okay just curious 15:41:05 But that "has joined" message did not come up for everyone 15:41:47 spersinger: I just quit and rejoined with a different client 15:42:01 spersinger, Hmmm, thats interesting. 15:42:19 I didn't see you leave. I'm wondering if your old client was still attached? 15:42:34 Heidiellis: me? 15:42:53 The /me command is used to provide commentary/emotion. 15:42:54 I joined as "cmerlo1", quit as "cmerlo", and changed nick back 15:42:55 * Heidiellis smiles 15:43:06 Frequently used like: 15:43:19 * Heidiellis wonders why the "has joined" message isn't showing up.... 15:43:39 The /me command indicates a side comment or thought that is not part of the main conversation. 15:43:58 race condition? 15:43:58 It is also used to convey emotion. Like laughing, frowning, etc. 15:45:19 Does anyone have any more questions? 15:46:04 So as a final reminder, please log your progress and you'll see a poll for the next IRC meeting after Thanksgiving. 15:46:11 * Sarahzelikovitz smile 15:46:11 Happy Thanksgiving everyone! 15:46:17 Thank you Heidi 15:46:18 Sarahzelikovitz, you got it! 15:46:24 Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well! 15:46:39 The same to you Chris! 15:46:48 Thanks! 15:46:49 Yes, we are learning a lot -- at a very busy time of the semester! 15:46:52 I'm going to end the meeting. 15:46:54 Thanks Heidi. Happy Thanksgiving to all! 15:47:00 Sarahzelikovitz, right! I completely agree! 15:47:03 #endmeeting