15:00:37 <darci> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 2
15:00:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Dec  4 15:00:37 2018 UTC.
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15:00:48 <darci> Hi again, let's start our meeting.
15:01:00 <stewart_> Hi Darci.
15:01:04 <darci> #chair hislopg
15:01:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: darci hislopg
15:01:19 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 contains the agenda for this meeting
15:01:22 <joannakl> hi all
15:01:27 <darci> Hi stewart_
15:01:32 <darci> hi joannakl
15:01:40 <darci> I just posted a link to our agenda
15:01:54 <darci> Let's start with a quick introduction
15:02:00 <darci> I'll start
15:02:06 <darci> #topic roll call
15:02:15 <darci> Please reply with a #info your name, your institution.  For example:
15:02:33 <darci> #info Darci Burdge, Nassau Community College
15:02:41 <joannakl> #info Joanna Klukowska, New York University
15:02:51 <stewart_> #info Stewart Weiss, Hunter College, CUNY
15:03:01 <darci> Hello elinwaring!
15:03:04 <elinwaring> Elin
15:03:07 <elinwaring> Hi
15:03:12 <darci> We are doing introductions
15:03:39 <darci> For example,
15:03:40 <darci> #info darci Burdge, Nassau Community College
15:03:58 <elinwaring> #info elinwaring Lehman College
15:04:05 <darci> Welcome!
15:04:40 <elinwaring> :)
15:05:02 <darci> Hi steve__
15:05:11 <darci> We are doing introductions...
15:05:17 <darci> For example,
15:05:23 <darci> #info darci Burdge, Nassau Community College
15:05:50 <steve__> #info Good morning everyone, this Steve from Lehman College
15:06:01 <darci> Welcome steve__!
15:06:13 <steve__> Thank you!
15:06:13 <darci> Is there anyone else?
15:06:19 <elinwaring> Go lehman!
15:06:21 <darci> :)
15:06:48 <steve__> :)
15:07:03 <darci> Alrighty then...I'll move on to the next topic.
15:07:06 <darci> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities
15:07:43 <darci> How are things with the stage 1 activities? Perhaps you each can give a brief update.
15:08:45 <darci> Or perhaps you have questions?
15:08:58 <elinwaring> typing
15:09:12 <steve__> Typing
15:09:18 <elinwaring> Okay, I’ve been doing the activities and looking at a few projects.  I noticed that there are really two projects specifically on the wiki (not sugarlabs and suhana)
15:09:42 <elinwaring> e.g. the food one and I can’t remember the other one … but are those ones you are suggesting?
15:10:32 <darci> Yes, but that doesn't mean that you can't look into others.
15:10:59 <darci> We typically try to focus on a limited number of projects while at the workshop.
15:11:06 <elinwaring> ok.  that makes sense
15:11:13 <joannakl> As a second time attendee, I've been given a pass on first stage activities. Hope I will remember things when we have the in-person meeting in January ;)
15:11:17 <elinwaring> It would be chaotic otherwise
15:11:19 <steve__> I have also been doing the activities. For the HFOSS, I choose Sahana but I am also looking at the other options that are available just in case I want to change
15:11:21 <joannakl> But I guess, I will review the new projects.
15:11:35 <darci> This allows us to form groups around projects
15:12:22 <darci> Or to form groups around courses, depending on your interests.
15:12:30 <stewart_> I too will look at the new projects to be ready.
15:13:21 <darci> FYI...joannakl and stewart_ have both attended POSSE.
15:13:36 <elinwaring> I’m supposed to do something around data science development and i thought that the food facts one could give a good an opportunity to focus on the API aspect, and they don’t have an R package at all, but they do have python.
15:13:36 <joannakl> darci, I am looking now at the current stage 1 page. Is there a quick list of projects that this POSSE will concentrate on?
15:14:00 <darci> They will provide a different perspective this time around. It is always great to hear what former attendees have done in their classes.
15:14:39 <darci> elinwaring OpenFoodFacts has been very responsive, so that might be a good fit.
15:14:51 <steve__> Just a question for Joannakl and stewart, how you integrated FOSS into you classroom?
15:15:10 <steve__> have you**
15:15:55 <stewart_> I began by adding short assignments on open source in every class that I taught, no matter whatthe syllabus said, sort of in a renegade fashion.
15:16:02 <joannakl> I started by adding FOSS content to the Data Structures class. I am happy to share the materials once we meet in January.
15:16:24 <steve__> Ok thank you
15:16:41 <joannakl> I was also able to create an Open Source Software Developement course that will be offered for the second time in the spring.
15:16:42 <stewart_> Then I created a pilot syllabus for a new course, which I am teachign now and will repeat in the spring.
15:17:12 <darci> stewart_ I can't wait to hear about your new course!
15:17:21 <stewart_> My materials are all online as well and freely available.
15:18:15 <stewart_> darci I will talk about it when we meet in January.
15:18:21 <darci> It looks like one or two others may have joined. Could you introduce yourselves?
15:18:25 <Grandma> Looking forward to seeing all materials especially those for a data structures class (Susan Imberman)
15:18:29 <joannakl> and most, if not all of the activities, should be at least linked to from the Foss2Serve page. Updating this something takes time, but we all eventually put it up there.
15:19:28 <darci> Welcome Grandma!
15:19:32 <Grandma> Introducing myself - Susan Imberman Prof at College of Staten Island and University Assoc for Tech Ed.
15:19:36 <steve__> I am looking forward to seeing yout materials
15:20:25 <darci> Does anyone have questions about the stage 1 activities?
15:21:01 <darci> Also, please remember to log your comments on Stage 1#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit#gid=0 for logging Stage 1 comments
15:22:25 <elinwaring> It seemed to me that some of the links were out of date like that they projects have moved to github issues, either that or I am reading their trackers wrong.
15:22:34 <darci> Okay, I'll move on to the next topic.
15:22:43 <darci> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS
15:22:51 <darci> Has anyone picked a course where you plan to try HFOSS activities?
15:23:21 <darci> Sorry , elinwaring I may have moved on too quickly!
15:23:38 <darci> Which projects are you referring to?
15:24:04 <elinwaring> Sahana and sugarlabs
15:24:13 <darci> This is definitely the kind of thing to include in the spreadsheet.
15:24:19 <elinwaring> +1
15:24:53 <darci> We don't always know when things have changed. We can update the activity if you'll let us know.
15:24:59 <darci> :)
15:25:01 <darci> Thanks!
15:25:51 <Grandma> In Part B, I had problems getting the table to work in my wiki.  Messed up the Nav bar.  I finally got it to work so if anyone wants to copy this they can do it from my wiki page
15:26:28 <Grandma> Sorry the table in the project evaluation activity
15:27:01 <darci> Ahhh, I was just going to ask which activity. :)
15:27:05 <joannakl> tables are horrible in markdown - and each flavor of markdown has different rules!
15:27:24 <elinwaring> so true about markup, tables are always painful
15:27:31 <darci> +1
15:28:15 <darci> Hi stoney!
15:28:53 <darci> Okay, back to courses...
15:28:55 <darci> Has anyone picked a course where you plan to try HFOSS activities?
15:29:24 <Grandma> Not yet but I like the idea of using it in a data structures course
15:29:29 <elinwaring> Which classes, for me is a question because we’re working on creating a set of new data science classes and I want to think about how this might work.
15:30:14 <darci> elinwaring How many new classes will you be creating?
15:30:16 <elinwaring> That’s why I think working with an API could be good.
15:30:36 <steve__> Not yet but I have been thinking of using it in OS class
15:31:02 <stewart_> I created short assignments for a data structures course and its sequel,which at Hunter is CS 335. I also created them for an intro to UNIX course. In the programming courses, they were sometimes code-reading in a GitHub repository, or they were about licenses.
15:31:15 <elinwaring> at least 2 regular courses but also some 1 credit courses
15:31:16 <darci> elinwaring You might consider Ushahidi as well. They have a pretty good API.
15:31:25 <elinwaring> ok will check them out
15:31:28 <stoney> hi everyone
15:31:41 <darci> Hello!
15:31:42 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University
15:32:21 <Grandma> Hi Stoney from Susan Imberman aka Grandma Techie.
15:32:33 <stoney> ah... nice... lol
15:32:54 <stoney> keep talking, I'll read back a little and catch up
15:32:55 <elinwaring> It’s really common for data science people in the sciences to make packages that access public data
15:33:11 <elinwaring> ROpenSci has a lot of examples of that
15:33:25 <darci> You might also consider NYC Open Data
15:33:43 <elinwaring> But I like the idea of doing it in the context of a larger HFOSS project so they get that community experience
15:33:59 <darci> Yes, it's all about community!
15:34:08 <elinwaring> Yeah NYC OPen data is already the focus of our capstone
15:34:34 <darci> Cool!
15:34:44 <darci> Maybe we can talk about this at the workshop.
15:35:22 <darci> I have my CS2 class do a project related to one of their data sets
15:35:45 <elinwaring> Nice!
15:36:36 <darci> It sounds like everyone has been thinking about this! That is great!
15:36:55 <stewart_> I have many assignments using NYC Open Data at this point. They are all on my course websites in Hunter. I didn't post them on foss2serve because they are not reaslly about open source software  but open data. I can doso if it is appropriate.
15:38:24 <darci> Let's talk about that...I'm not sure.
15:38:27 <elinwaring> Right, that’s why I think making an open source package for accessing the api is potentially the way to go
15:39:03 <elinwaring> That’s what a lot of the research engineer community does
15:39:50 <darci> That would be cool!
15:40:05 <stewart_> elinwaring It is a nice idea, but at Hunte rwe teach in C++ and that rules out accessing their API as a project.
15:40:13 <elinwaring> right
15:40:30 <darci> I'm going to move on to the next topic...since we don't have a lot of time left. Okay?
15:40:36 <darci> #topic Questions about POSSE Stage 2 Activities
15:40:39 <stewart_> darci OK
15:40:46 <darci> We have a draft agenda for Stage 2.  It will be updated, but it will give you an idea of the face-to-face workshop
15:41:05 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities for the Stage 2 draft agenda
15:41:28 <darci> We are really looking forward to meeting everyone face-to-face!
15:41:40 <darci> Are there any questions about the upcoming workshop?
15:43:21 <darci> The workshop usually is scheduled across 3 days, so we are still working on the 2-day version.
15:44:39 <darci> There is certainly some presentation time, but also lots of time for small group work and discussion.
15:44:46 <elinwaring> looks good
15:44:58 <stewart_> darci Is the idea to try to lengthen Day 1 and/or Day 2 to fit the overflow in?
15:46:34 <darci> I don't think the days will be lengthened by much. We are more likely to trim time slots allotted to existing session so that we can fit others in
15:47:21 <stewart_> OK
15:47:35 <darci> We will want to make time for those sessions that we feel are most important in the face-to-face environment.
15:48:56 <darci> Alright next topic...
15:48:57 <darci> #topic Signing up for Stage 2 project and course groups
15:49:22 <darci> The small groups are typically formed around projects and/or courses.
15:49:42 <darci> To start to organize groups, we ask that you sign up for both a course as well as an HFOSS project that interests you.
15:50:02 <darci> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups is the page to indicate your course and project interest
15:50:39 <darci> The team will spend some time prior to the workshop reviewing the interests posted here.
15:51:50 <darci> So that we can focus on the course(s) and/or projects that are of most interest to the groups.
15:51:58 <joannakl> Is it ok to sign up for multiple courses and projects, or do you want us to just pick one?
15:52:14 <darci> Yes, sign up for as many as you like!
15:52:25 <stoney> I think multiple is fine
15:52:27 <stoney> right :)
15:53:06 <darci> You should prioritize a bit I suppose
15:54:10 <darci> Any other questions/thoughts before I end the meeting?
15:54:52 <stewart_> No, not from me.
15:55:00 <elinwaring> No, thanks this was helpful
15:55:14 <darci> Good!
15:55:26 <steve__> No, thank you!
15:55:33 <darci> Thanks all!
15:55:39 <stoney> thanks darci !
15:55:41 <darci> Again, looking forward to meeting you!
15:55:52 <joannakl> Thank you. Enjoy the last weeks of the semester everyone!
15:55:57 <stoney> wuhoo!
15:56:03 <stoney> and the countdown continues!
15:56:08 <darci> Yes! Same to you!
15:56:21 <darci> #endmeeting