14:01:34 <stoney> #startmeeting IRC1
14:01:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May  2 14:01:34 2019 UTC.
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14:01:34 <zodbot> The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:01:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc1'
14:01:52 <stoney> Welcome to our first IRC meeting of stage 1!
14:02:01 <Heidiellis> Hi Folks, As you may have noticed, Stoney has started our first meeting!
14:02:12 <stoney> zotbot, our meetbot, will be recording this meeting.
14:02:31 <stoney> At the end of the meeting zotbot will post this meeting to the web and will provide a link to them.
14:02:58 <stoney> The agenda for today's meeting is available here
14:03:06 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 agenda
14:03:19 <Heidiellis> As you can tell, Stoney is chairing the meeting.
14:03:32 <stoney> true so....
14:03:39 <stoney> Before I continue, let me promote one or two others to "chair" which will allow them to take over the meeting in the event that I am hit by a bus.
14:03:52 <stoney> #chair Heidiellis
14:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: Heidiellis stoney
14:04:02 <Heidiellis> Woo hoo! I have the power!
14:04:16 <stoney> there... now Heidiellis can take over at any time :)
14:04:18 <Heidiellis> (Clearly there is a certain informality to IRC meetings.)
14:04:33 <stoney> With that, let's move on to our first item of business
14:04:42 <stoney> #topic Introductions
14:04:58 <stoney> You'll notice that some of my lines start with #<command>
14:05:08 <stoney> these are commands to our meetbot.
14:05:16 <stoney> We'll talk more about them later.
14:05:29 <stoney> However, I would like everyone who is participating in this meeting to use the #info command to introduce themselves.
14:05:45 <stoney> Heidiellis, would you like to demonstrate?
14:05:56 <Heidiellis> Sure!
14:06:19 <Heidiellis> #info I'm Heidi Ellis, Prof. at Western New England University and I've been supporting student involvement in HFOSS since 2006
14:06:27 <stoney> Awesome, thanks!
14:06:49 <stoney> So, please #info your introduction if you will be participating in today's meeting
14:07:03 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University, one of your POSSE facilitators
14:07:08 <stevenaeola> #info I'm Steven Bradley from Durham University in the UK. I've worked here in CS for 20 years, and now I'm an associate prof (teaching). I've done a little bit of OSS before, but not HFOSS.
14:07:23 <dletarte> #info Hi, I’m Dominic Letarte form Temple University in Philadelphia. I teach Software Design and Capstone classes in the computer science department.
14:07:37 <stoney> Welcome Steven!
14:07:43 <stoney> Welcome Dominic!
14:08:22 <stoney> While we wait a few more seconds for anyone else to info up....
14:08:25 <mmccolga> #info Michele McColgan, Associate prof at Siena College in upstate NY. I teach physics and mentor student research. I also run FLOSS Desktop for kids in my Informal STEM program. I’ve never done an open source project before.
14:08:35 <stoney> You may notice that there are more folks on the channel that will not introduce themselves.
14:08:42 <Heidiellis> Welcome Michele!
14:08:43 <stoney> Welcome Michele!
14:08:54 * Heidiellis Thinks that Stoney and I are twins!
14:08:57 <stoney> It is common on IRC for folks to lurk on a channel.
14:09:05 * stoney laughs
14:09:15 <stoney> This is nothing nefarious. It's quite normal.
14:09:33 <Heidiellis> And I made the comment using /me before the sentence.
14:09:49 <stoney> Perfect... and that brings us to our next topic
14:09:54 <stoney> # Basic IRC features
14:10:02 <stoney> #topic Basic IRC features
14:10:05 <stoney> oops :)
14:10:22 <stoney> BTW, Feel free to chat and ask questions as we go along.
14:10:26 <Heidiellis> kwebb Are you with us?
14:10:36 * stevenaeola waves to everybody
14:10:43 <stoney> awesome
14:10:49 <stoney> so to talk, just type and press enter
14:11:14 <stoney> to give a command to IRC, start your line with /<command> where <command> is something that IRC recognizes
14:11:27 <stoney> A list of IRC commands are available here
14:11:29 <mmccolga> what’s the point of / me?
14:11:34 <stoney> #link http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html IRC commands
14:11:48 <stoney> the /me <action> emotes an action
14:11:58 <stoney> so rather than "saying" something
14:12:02 <stoney> you are "doing" something
14:12:04 <Heidiellis> mmccolga, The use of "/me" is to make side comments and add emotion to a discussion
14:12:09 * stevenaeola waves with emotion that I never knew I had
14:12:12 * stoney jumps up and down in excitement
14:12:18 * Heidiellis laughs with stevenaeola
14:12:25 <stoney> This is what we had before emojis :)
14:12:35 <Heidiellis> Also note that most IRC clients use tab auto-complete.
14:12:44 <stevenaeola> How come Heidi turned red? That is real power
14:12:55 <Heidiellis> So you can start typing the person's nick and hit tab and will auto complete.
14:12:59 <Heidiellis> I have the power!
14:12:59 <stoney> Ah, and now you have discovered another feature!
14:13:12 <stoney> when you put someone's nick in a line, it pings them
14:13:27 <stoney> by ping i mean: flashes, makes a noise, highlights, etc.
14:13:31 * Heidiellis doesn't know why she got lucky and got the color red.
14:13:33 <stoney> it depends on the client
14:13:42 <stoney> but it generally gets someone's attention
14:14:08 <stoney> you can also change your nick with /nick <newnickname>
14:14:40 <stoneyjackson> if it doesn't work, it might be that someone has what you want
14:15:04 <Heidiellis> I'm "Heidiellis" because someone has registered "Heidi" as their nick.
14:15:21 <stoney> it's common for folks to indicate that they are away from the keyboard by appending _afk or just _ to their nick
14:15:42 <stoney_afk> you can still talk and receive messages
14:15:55 <stoney_afk> but it just indicates to others that you may not be paying attention
14:16:14 <Heidiellis> Note that stoney color changes when he is "afk"
14:16:32 <stoney> that's interesting... that must be your client
14:16:55 <stoney> so how is everyone doing so far?
14:17:03 <stoney> what questions do you have?
14:17:14 * stevenaeola smiles knowingly and nods in agreement
14:17:26 <stoney> awesome :)
14:17:48 <dletarte> good for me.
14:17:51 <MicheleMcColgan> :)
14:17:58 <stoney> ok, then let's move on to the next topic
14:18:04 <stoney> #topic Meetbot
14:18:18 <stoney> By default, IRC is not recorded.
14:18:30 <stoney> Individuals sitting on a channel could use their client to save the transcript of an IRC.
14:18:39 <stoney> But IRC itself does not keep a record.
14:18:50 <stoney> A meetbot, is a program that sits on a channel and will record meetings for you.
14:19:01 <stoney> It will produce a full transcript
14:19:13 <stoney> and it will also create a summary
14:19:33 <stoney> When we use commands like #topic, #info, and #link, we are asking the meetbot to make a note of those lines in the summary
14:20:06 <stoney> when we are done with the meeting, I encourage you to look at the minutes that it produces to get a better idea
14:20:20 <Heidiellis> In fact, the minutes for all past POSSE IRC meetings are posted here:
14:20:23 <Heidiellis> #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/
14:20:32 <stoney> here is a list of some of the commands
14:20:43 <stoney> #linke http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands
14:20:49 <stoney> awesome, thanks heidi!
14:21:30 <stoney> #link http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands
14:21:39 <stoney> sorry... messed up my #link
14:21:59 <stoney> any questions about the meetbot?
14:22:20 <stevenaeola> Thanks I'm good
14:22:24 <stoney> :)
14:22:57 <stoney> OK, time for the penultimate agenda item...
14:23:09 <stoney> #topic HFOSS Projects
14:23:30 <stoney> Heidiellis can you help us out in this section?
14:23:56 <Heidiellis> Sure!
14:24:51 <Heidiellis> One of the cool things about working with students and HFOSS is the learning that can happen.
14:25:05 <Heidiellis> Learning that happens directly from the HFOSS community.
14:25:30 <Heidiellis> However, finding a community (note I said "community", not "project") can be difficult.
14:25:53 <Heidiellis> We have asked you to start looking at a few communities as part of your stage 1 activities
14:26:00 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities
14:26:37 <Heidiellis> In future meetings we will talk a bit more about communities and answer questions.
14:27:00 <Heidiellis> And you will be asked to pick a community that you might be interested in joining.
14:27:23 <Heidiellis> There is no obligation here. We'd just like folks to look into the communities and gain some understanding.
14:28:02 <Heidiellis> We have found that POSSE participants start thinking that they'll work with one community and then change communities over time.
14:28:45 <Heidiellis> We currently have three communities listed on the page that Stoney provided.
14:28:54 <stoney> goodness knows I've changed a few times :)
14:29:11 <Heidiellis> There is also a multi-institutional effort to start a Libre Food Pantry.
14:29:20 <Heidiellis> This would be a university-founded efforts.
14:29:20 <stevenaeola> Are we looking for communities that we are interested in personally, or those we think our students would engage with best?
14:29:26 <Heidiellis> Either
14:29:38 <stoney> #link https://github.com/LibreFoodPantry/
14:29:51 <Heidiellis> You're looking for a community that your students would enjoy, but also one that you can interact with.
14:30:00 <stevenaeola> OK thanks
14:30:22 <Heidiellis> And we are focused on humanitarian communities because, due to their altruistic nature, they tend to be welcoming to newbies.
14:30:27 <Heidiellis> Especially students.
14:30:55 <Heidiellis> Other questions on projects?
14:31:53 <stevenaeola> We're choosing from the (short) list of communities rather than the (long) list of projects on the linked page #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects ?
14:32:23 <Heidiellis> Either is fine. We provide the short list because sometimes several participants will organize around one project.
14:32:32 <Heidiellis> And that allows collaboration both at POSSE and beyond.
14:32:43 <Heidiellis> So we steer folks towards the shorter list.
14:32:52 <Heidiellis> Those are also projects with which we have more experience.
14:33:09 <Heidiellis> But we understand that you may have a reason to choose a different project.
14:33:16 <MicheleMcColgan> What makes something HFOSS? For example, we are using Sugar for our FLOSS Desktops program. That’s part of the OLPC program. Seems like that would be a HFOSS project.
14:33:31 <Heidiellis> Things like programming language or technologies can drive the decision.
14:33:43 <Heidiellis> MicheleMcColgan, we use a broad umbrella for HFOSS.
14:33:54 <Heidiellis> Yes, Sugar definitely counts as it is education.
14:34:04 <MicheleMcColgan> okay, thanks
14:34:14 <Heidiellis> MicheleMcColgan, Do you interact with Steve Jacobs at RIT at all?
14:34:19 <MicheleMcColgan> nope
14:34:21 <Heidiellis> He has students who contribute to Sugar as well.
14:34:30 <MicheleMcColgan> cool! We have lots of questions
14:34:40 <Heidiellis> Feel free to drop me an email and I can put you in touch with him if you'd like,
14:34:50 <MicheleMcColgan> yes, I will
14:35:30 <stoney> awesome.... love to see connections forming! :)
14:35:58 <MicheleMcColgan> thanks, Heidi!
14:36:09 <stoney> other thoughts or questions about projects?
14:36:51 <stoney> hearing none...
14:37:02 <stoney> #topic Good of the order
14:37:20 <stoney> Please remember to log your progress in the spreadsheet - your feedback is always valued
14:37:37 <Heidiellis> Yes!
14:37:56 <Heidiellis> And if we don't see you logging in the spreadsheet, we become concerned about participation.
14:38:13 <MicheleMcColgan> I’ll update my progress today.
14:38:26 <stoney> perfect, thanks MicheleMcColgan !
14:38:40 <stoney> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit?usp=drive_open&ouid=113063810837422988197
14:38:43 <stevenaeola> Should we put this IRC chat in the spreadsheet?
14:39:08 <stoney> we're taking roll... but what about feedback Heidiellis ?
14:39:33 <Heidiellis> Mostly we're just looking to see if folks have completed each of the stage 1 exercises.
14:39:48 <Heidiellis> And we use the feedback to identify areas that need updating.
14:40:29 <Heidiellis> The other thing to note about the stage 1 activities is that you can go down a rabbit hole on some of them and spend hours.
14:40:35 <Heidiellis> That is NOT the intent.
14:40:51 <Heidiellis> So please don't feel like you need to spend hours on the activities.
14:41:12 <Heidiellis> You could easily spend 4 hours on Project Evaluation as figuring out how a project works is complex.
14:41:27 <stoney> right... each activity has a timebox, try to stay within that... unless you are just having too much fun :)
14:41:29 <Heidiellis> But we don't expect that. Just spend 30-45 minutes on that activity.
14:41:51 * Heidiellis thinks that Stoney is much more succinct than she is!
14:42:30 <stoney> OK... I think that's it
14:42:35 <stoney> motion to adjourn?
14:42:50 * stevenaeola raises hand
14:43:09 <stoney> ok... talk to you all soon!
14:43:13 <stoney> #endmeeting